Talk:Boxer Rebellion

Picture
Rather boys-own looking and US/west-centric ... Can we change it to show more actual focus on the rebellion aspect? 2A0A:EF40:8B9:D701:25F7:6692:257A:7F6 (talk) 15:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)


 * No, the current pictures shows the largest battle of the war and showed a soldier who is very notable. LuxembourgLover (talk) 16:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm open to it, and the description of "boys-own looking" is quite correct. But it's better for someone to bring forward a specific alternative which we can use under the policies and directly compare the current picture to. JArthur1984 (talk) 13:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
 * We should change it back to a battle in accordance with what most war pages do since a map does not exist. I don't understand why we want to "change it to show more actual focus on the rebellion aspect" when Boxer movement exists. The Boxer Rebellion is not understood as a movement but as a war or intervention. I believe we should change it back. ReidLark1n (talk) 13:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree, this was a major war. I perfer the original infobox that included three pictures and information on what parts of the British Empier helped. LuxembourgLover (talk) 23:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I support making a four-quadrant infobox as a compromise with the 3 old infoxbox images plus the current one (even though it's already in Boxer movement where I personally believe it belongs). That should correct the issue raised by Parsecboy about the infobox being too long. However we need to get JArthur1984 on board since they've reverted changes to the current image which they changed it to. JArthur1984 would you support the old infobox in four-quadrants with your Boxer movement picture? ReidLark1n (talk) 16:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, that sounds like a solid compromise. JArthur1984 (talk) 16:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This points to a problem: the article title is "Boxer Rebellion" (though I am among those who think it should be "Boxer Uprising") not "Boxer War." So I support the quest for at least a picture that has something to do with the Boxer Rebellion or Uprising. Maybe a map? ch (talk)

Leadership
I think the art article should have a leadership for the national leaders of governments and military during the war. This is a list of the major leaders:

China: Empress Dowager Cixi, Guangxu Emperor

United Kingdom: Queen Victoria, Lord Salisbury, William St John Brodrick (Secretary of State for War)

Germany: Kaiser Wilhelm II, Bernhard von Bülow (Chancellor)

France: President Émile Loubet, Waldeck-Rousseau (PM) Gaston de Galliffet (Minister of War)

Russia: Tsar Nicholas II, Sergei Witte

United States: President William McKinley, Elihu Root (Secretary of War)

Japan: Emperor Meiji, Yamagata Aritomo (PM) Katsura Tarō (Minister of War)

Italy: King Umberto IGiuseppe Saracco(PM) Coriolano Ponza di San Martino (Minister of War)

Austria-Hungary: Emperor Franz Joseph Ernest von Koerber(PM) Edmund von Krieghammer (Minister of War) LuxembourgLover (talk) 13:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * For some sources: US Government, Russia, United Kingdom and others. LuxembourgLover (talk) 13:30, 15 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Was any of them actually in China? The Banner  talk 23:00, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This was not an official war declared by any country except China, and the formalities (like Queen Victoria) are not relevant. The article is too long and too complex in the first place. Rjensen (talk) 10:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree, this article is very long, we could split, this war saw a lot of commanders. LuxembourgLover (talk) 22:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * James Madison was not in africa duing the Barbery Wars, yet he was heavy mentoned and had involment. Just like McKinley during the Boxer War.  LuxembourgLover (talk) 22:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The classic WP:OTHERSTUFF EXISTS again. And if you did your homework properly: 1) Madison was not a president during the First Barbary War; 2) de jure, there was no war with the Second Barbary War as the US never formally declared war. Yes, there was turmoil and fighting but formally no war. The Banner  talk 22:44, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? First off I never said Madison was presedent with the First Barbary War. I just said we should add leaders somewhere. Both the boxer rebellion and the Barbery Wars where not declared wars. I do not know what you are talking about. LuxembourgLover (talk) 22:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The point is that infoboxes are for listing key information about a given topic. If figures aren't important to the actual historical event, they shouldn't be uselessly taking up the space. Almost none of the figures you've listed above had any significant involvement in the conflict in their own right. Remsense  诉  23:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Also @Havsjö, if you think the selection of leaders in the infobox is presently arbitrary, I would agree: but let's do things in the right order and mention them in the article first before we add a summary that doesn't correspond to anything in the body. Remsense  诉  11:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @141.155.35.58 and @Qiushufang please stop the edit war and uses this or releated talk page to discuss what leaders we should mention. I still support a separate article or section on military and political leaders. LuxembourgLover (talk) 19:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

To add to article!
How is it possible that someone wrote an article on the Boxer Rebellion, but forgot to include the number of casualties (deaths)? There's not even a section listing casualties in the infobox. That's definitely not encyclopedic. Most sources indicate that there were about 100,000 deaths, mostly Chinese. Please fix the situation of this crucial, fundamental information not being contained in the current version of this article! 98.123.38.211 (talk) 01:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The casualties were originally in the infobox, however for a unknown (at least I have no clue) reason they were removed. The infobox is changing almost every day so I will just say wait and eventy the daily edits would die down once people can finally decide what to do for the infobox. LuxembourgLover (talk) 14:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's been edited thrice in the past two weeks. I think I figured out what happened, and it was a total accident: if you look at the article source, the information is still there—it's just that it's not displaying due to a typo in the code. Fixed it. Remsense  诉  14:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2024
Please remove the errant tag here:

. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 03:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Hyphenation Expert (talk) 04:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)