Talk:Boy racer

UK only?
Is it just in the UK that "boy racer" refers to those young 'guns who like such "boy racer cars" described here? --Sam

Yes, please let us know WHERE this is used. RickK 06:09, Jun 16, 2004 (UTC)


 * As far as I've found out at least in the UK and New Zealand. // Liftarn

Boy racers are certainly known by that name in Ireland.

TRiG 11:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

This term is definitely not used in the generic Commonwealth, wherever that is, or in all parts of the Commonwealth of Nations. Certainly not in Australia (unless the speaker has come from NZ or the UK/Ireland) or India. It is very popular in New Zealand, whose language and processes are usually a direct copy of the UK. Frankly, a self-respecting hoon in Australia might knock your block off if you call him a boy racer.

Ash (talk) 06:43, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Ambiguity and Chavs!
I have never heard of the term "barry boy", so have altered the leading sentence to read "in some parts of the UK". I also added links to chav culture, as the two are linked.. Midwinter

try also Gary boy, after the typical essex boy racer

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I concur in part with the amendment. I've heard of "Barry Boy" but I have never heard anyone use it except on one website. However, it could be disputed that chavs and boy racers are linked; I have never been a chav but I was something of a boy racer myself when I was younger. Driving a modified car like a racer and wearing a baseball cap backwards are only linked in stereotypes.
 * Back in 2000-2002, around the Cambridge area, "Barry Boy" was used FAR more often than "Chav". It was also used to describe chavs that where not 'into' car modifying or may not even have owned cars, though obviously the majority of them did also own modified cars. "Chav" became more popular across Britian around 2004 when the Sun newspaper did a big 5-years-too-late "expose" on them, before that they had been known by different names in different areas, Barry Boys in Cambridgeshire, Scallies in Lincolnshire and Neds in southern Scotland are some i know of. An earlier derivative used in some areas was "Kev", after Harry Enfield's Kevin teenager character. For instance Vauxhall Novas etc being referred to as "Kev cars" Felneymike (talk) 18:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Movies like The Fast and the Furious have caused additional interest in boy racing, although many real boy racers view the connection to such movies with scorn and derision.

News for boy racers - most of society view YOU with scorn and derision. What's a "real" boy racer then? Someone who goes REALLY REALLY fast in inappropriate places with possible danger to life and limb of everyone around, as opposed to someone who only endangers life on weekends, perhaps?

boy racers are tits in donegal in ireland there called rednecks or reds

The majority of boy racers in the States are also called rednecks, hillbillies or skinny punks. Often identified by the same traits as their European counterparts: lots of plastic and pop rivets. One contrast between UK and US is the dangerous practice of challenging actual performance cars. In the US this practice generally results in having your pride totally obliterated. It is also common to quote performance numbers achieved on a 1/8 mile drag strip without actually pointing out that it was not done on a full 1/4 mile strip.

I think this talk page needs a "neutrality is disputed" warning. Some of these comments are biased and apparently aimed at insulting people personally. One of the dangers of the internet I suppose, everyone turns up, takes a pot-shot then runs away. Heroic.

I would have thought a "boy racer" was any male car-owner who liked to drive fast, or THINK they were driving fast, so that in their minds they are living out a few laps around the Nurburgring when they're actually cruising through Sheffield.

It so happens that many of these people modify their cars to what they think a sports car or racing car should look like.

To conclude, being a "boy racer" is a state of mind rather than owning a car with stick-on plastic vents.

I would agree that it is a state of mind, but the manifestation of physical symptons are easily spotted.

The neutrality of this article is disputed?
Is it still disputed or can we remove the banner? // Liftarn

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I made some amendments which I feel have value, though given the Hitler-like revisions made by mods to another article I once worked on, I doubt my comments will last the day! I just reworded the more offensive or poorly thought out comments which basically said "all boy racers are like this, all boy racers do that, all boy racers are chavs" etc. That's plain bullcrap. Boy racers are as varied as any other group of people.

I also added a few more cars to the list of UK boy-racer-mobiles. A full list might be something like this:


 * Peugeot 106
 * Peugeot 205
 * Citroen Saxo
 * Renault Clio
 * Renault 5
 * Subaru Impreza <-- Note: I know people will hate me for this but they do seem to be turning into the new boy racer mobile, having fallen into a price bracket almost anyone can afford (£3-£5k, which is what many popular mods and conversions would cost on a lesser car like a 106).
 * Volkswagen Golf
 * Vauxhall Nova
 * Vauxhall Astra
 * Vauxhall Vectra <-- Note: This one is a class above the other boy racer cars and I doubt people would accept it as such, but there are loads of them about being driven by people who seem to have no knowledge of the highway code.

I'm not sure if this adds any value to the debate so you can amend it if you've got a good reason.


 * I think the Impreza is a bit more a boy racer mobile now, I regularly see them in convoys with modified Corsas and the like. Insurance doesn't seem to put people off much despite their age, I'm sure I've talked to someone that's stumped up a couple thousand so he could get his insured. Impreza's are such a risky second hand buy now because of the amount of thrashed, modified ones about.[Norman] 23/07


 * I wouldn't really say a Vectra was a class above anything, they just cost a bit more than an Astra. In terms of the basic chassis most of the "boy racer" set start off with, it's usually smaller and more modestly powered cars. Insurance is the major stumbling block for a youngster of 17 to 25, most insurers will refuse to insure them for big-bore motors like imprezas (2.0 turbo, 200-300 bhp), high output Clios like the 172 series (2.0 vvt, 172bhp), 205 GTi (1.9 8v, 130bhp but no weight), etc etc. even Vectras attract higher premiums based on size and weight. Looking through the "readers' rides" bit in Maxpower or Revs you'll quite often see apparently heavily modified cars running completely standard engines. It's very often not about performance at all, because they just can't get insurance for hot cars - or if they can it's from a "specialist" insurer who will land them with an enormous excess and charge thousands of pounds a year for basic, bare-bones 3rd party only cover. Mr Dreadful 5th may '07.


 * Is it any wonder insurers won't touch young lads wanting Imprezas. The thought of a 17 year old lad, whose only experience is a driving school Nissan Micra, getting behind the wheel of something like an Impreza RB320 with his mates in the back is quite terrifying.  You need maybe 150 metres of road to go from 30 to 80mph in this car.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.48.204.1 (talk) 11:38, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

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I added it again.

It is certainly not neutral to imply that all boy racers are engaging in anti-social and criminal activities. Neihter is it correct that all boy racer cars are modified in a dangerous manner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.232.77.4 (talk) 10:05, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Illegal headlights?
"...front foglights on (illegally) day and night..." What is it that's illegal? Are the lights too bright? Is it illegal to run your headlights on during the day there? Either way, this could be worded better. Recury 00:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

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 * The laws may differ (worldwide), but at least here the foglights should be used only in fog. It's probably because they are too bright. // Liftarn


 * The police can and will stop drivers who drive with their foglights on during the day or night as it dazzles other road users. If you are extremely unlucky you'll end up with £60 in fines and 3 penalty points on your license (UK) DJRikki 20:26, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * There's a general consensus that using fog lights in the UK is illegal except in fog. I don't know if it really IS illegal. After all, it's not exactly blinding in my opinion. Using *full beam* is blinding, and in my experience people tend to get full beam and fog lights confused. Again in my experience, aggressive drivers tend to leave their fog lights on at all times so other motorists know they're there, like a warning to speed up or get out of the way.


 * what's the point in having a concensus on what's legal in the UK and what's not? find out, for goodness sake, or you'll end up on the sticky end of a judge before you know what's hit you. The information is here - http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/21.htm - and yes, you were right, it is illegal to use foglights in conditions other than severely reduced visibility. I'll add a reference to that a bit later on if nobody else does. Mr Dreadful 5th May '07.

Occupational Hazard?
"It is almost an occupational hazard for a sports car driver in the UK to be challenged at the lights by someone in a small hatchback."

That's a comment I added which I believe to be true, and I think that anyone else (in the UK at least) who has ever owned a reasonably sporty car will agree with. It seems to be a defining characteristic of boy racers that they can't let a sports coupe or modified saloon go past without following it for five miles.

Someone can change it if they have a good reason to disagree.

Often true, and it's worse if you drive a similar hatchback. I had a 1.9 205 GTi for some years and would regularly get swarmed by Corsas, novas and the like trying their luck. Happily the 1.9s were actually quick enough to simply leave the scene. I found it happened less in my 5-series, but the results when it did were the same. User: Mr Dreaful 6th may 07

isnt it just a fashion
i live in ireland and i think we must have more boy racers per head of population than anywhere else in the world you stand for half an hour any evening at a street corner anywhere in rural ireland and you will see dozens i know some of their habits are annoying like revving at traffic lights and there definitley is a rowdy element in the scene but many of them are just young men and increasingly women who are intrested in cars or motor sport they spend a lot of money on their cars doing them up a lot of them work hard to get the money working 2 to 3 jobs the police in ireland are now clamping down on them a lot using the smallprint of motor laws about such things as window tinting and exhaust sound or size but in many ways it is simply a style or fashion people want to personalise their cars thats why we put stickers on our car windows or even religous symbols i dont understand people playing golf it seems dull and boring to me but if thats what you like doing go ahead shouldnt a guy who likes doing up his car have the freedom to do it as long as he does not drive dangerously or after drink or drugs i am not a boy racer i drive a 10 year old opel corsa that any boy racer would laugh atBouse23 09:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Tarring with the same brush
'''It should be noted that not all young drivers with modified cars fall into this bracket, with many driving their cars in a sensible manner. Car modifiers and cruisers who take a pride in their vehicles are generally well behaved and often have respect for other road users. There is often no distinction in the mainsteam media between the boy racer and modified car enthusiast which can lead to the latter being tarred with the same brush. In essence the boy racer is to the car scene what hooligans are to football; however, it seems that many young male drivers are regarded as boy racers regardless of circumstance.'''

My turn to have a bash.....

I was rather annoyed with this article until I read the above paragraph, just want to thank the author for having this section to clarify not every young male who loves cars is a chavtastic boy racer. Yes, I own a 2004 renault clio, yes its black and only a 1.2  but no, I have not added ridiculous spoilers and scoops that me and my friends laugh at. However we do go to local 'meets' but only in the hope to see some modified cars (I'm talking engine wise, not looks) that are truley modified by real car enthusiasts, which we sometimes do see among the idiots that turn up. Me and my friends love cars, but at the same time respect the law and other people on the road, it is just a shame that people DO tarnish us with the same brush, as soon as I mention I drive a clio people instantly think boy racer, until they actually see my car, which yes, has nice seat covers, mats and alloys, but all are sensible and not outlandishly stupid, as many that we see around town. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.188.21.101 (talk) 13:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC).

I agree with the above comments having made a living from insurances on specific well installed vehicle modifications which many would tarr as boy racer modifications in a deogatory sense. Is there scope in the article to include further this balanced view? Musictada (talk) 19:54, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Picture
I fail to see how a random picture of a completely unmodified and dirty Clio with some twat standing in front of it represents boy racer culture. Abc30 21:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I kinda agree. We should ask the people at http://www.barryboys.co.uk/ if we can use some of their pictures instead. // Liftarn

all show and no go?
Uhm well here in NZ... all show and no go isn't correct. The majority or cars you will see at a drag meeting, would be turbo'd cars.. IE turbo model Nissan Skylines GTS-t's and GTR's 2ltr, 2.25ltr, 2.5ltr and 2.6ltr. Older style Mazda Familia's GTX's GTR's, 1800 DOCH turbo's.. Mitsubishi Evo's 2ltr DOHC Turbo's.. popular still the evo 1-3 generation, now the roads are flooded with evo 4-9's more recently imported. Subaru WRX's also 2ltr DOCH Turbo's.. . Of course honda's are popular, as they tend to not break as much especially since a person who races their car tends to give it a hard life. Its not unusual for gearbox's and clutches to blow in most turbo'd imports due to the engine modifications done without upgrading the clutch and gearbox.

Of course there are your Rotaries that will turn up. The more recent model RX-7's... 1300 Twin Turbo's but more common are many back yard jobs of pulling the 12a and 13b non turbo's out from older rx7's and putting them in anything and I mean anything from old style 70's corolla's... 70's Ford Escorts... Mazda 323's... 626's... Mazda bongo vans (seriously overtaking someone up hill in a van is pretty funny) Most Rotaries will feature excessive than standard porting of the exhaust manifold, resulting in the sort after barp, barp, barp, barp, barp pulsing sound.

Usual modifications start with upgrading air filter and exhaust and blow off valve (for turbo'd cars). Then will move onto lowering the car, either by purchasing lowering springs or by cutting the coil (illegally). Once lowered usually mags will be next on the list, bigger the better, then tinting the windows and installing a sound system. Installing a boost tap which makes your turbo force more air into the engine than standard.

The government has put in place laws to try and stop 'boy racers'. Including on the spot fines for excessive acceleration, driving a car in a noisy manor. Impounding of the vehicle for 28 days if caught street racing, possible enforcement of the courts to sell the vehicle if you have heaps of fines already. Hamilton New Zealand actually has a specialized police team called the B.R.A.T Squad, which stands for Boy Racer Action Team.

The point is anyone reading the current article that actually lives in NZ will disagree with it. "all show and no go" does not sufficiently describe the typical "boy racer", in short, the typical boy racer is someone that loves cars, doesn't waste their time doing up a low end of the scale model car, and will focus on the higher end performance model which can be easily modified to go a lot faster.

Peace - I believe that serious drivers at drag meetings with high-end vehicles would consider themselves "car enthusiasts" rather than "boy racers". The ones across the road are clearly the latter in their rubbish 1980s era cars with stock, sub-1.5L engines large bore exhaust, alloy rims and no comprehension of how retarded they really look. The trend isn't helped by the availability of hire purchase for rims and exhausts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slapboyracers (talk • contribs) 14:57, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Not really neutral article
I think this article is not neutral. Phrases like " all show and no go ", " can be heard playing dance music or happy hardcore from down the road " should have no place in this article. Emerge.life 13:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * How would you phrase it? // Liftarn

"All show and no go" certainly isn't a phrase worthy of an encyclopedic entry. Perhaps "an emphasis on style over substance in regards actual performance" would be more appropriate.

Boy Racer Subculture in Popular Culture
I think it might be appropriate to add a section on the Boy Racer subculture in popular culture. The only examples that immediately springs to mind are Morrissey's "Boy Racer" single and the accompanying video from his "Southpaw Grammar" album.

Any opposition to this? Any ideas for other examples of the subculture in popular culture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zengakuren (talk • contribs) 04:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Such a section would need to be based on reliable sources and written as prose, rather than a list of pop culture references. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 04:12, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Would it necessarily need to be written in the form of a paragraph? Other wikipedia articles include popular culture references in bullet point form.Zengakuren (talk) 05:46, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The bulleted lists are in fact discouraged; see WP:Trivia sections, "Trivia sections should be avoided. If they must exist, they should in most cases be considered temporary, until a better method of presentation can be determined." If it is really needful to have it in the article, it should be something that can be presented in a non-list format. You wouldn't find a list-y section in a FA-status article. carl bunderson (talk) (contributions) 05:54, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

That makes sense. Well, I may perhaps have a go at writing something and post it in this talk section for consideration.Zengakuren (talk) 07:58, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

We also have Ali G Indahouse. // Liftarn (talk)

Clean up time
I would like to clean up this article. NPoV is lost, more citations and references are needed too. Also moral panic may be worthy of mention in the article. Please, throw in suggestions otherwise I will steam ahead and try my best to honor the issues raised on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.255.41.184 (talk) 00:31, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I second that, NPoV is almost non-existant. 86.131.223.114 (talk) 13:42, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was moved to Boy racer. Aervanath (talk) 16:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Boy racer (subculture) → Boy racer &mdash; The reason is I have redirected the motorcycle article because of lack of context and there is already an article for the motorcycle (AJS 7R), therefore leaving the disambiguation article to just this sole article. — Donnie Park (talk) 12:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

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Boy racer (subculture)
 * Can you please remove the ancient warnings at the top of the page at the same time? the neutrality dispute is years old - Barfnz (talk) 01:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
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Tone/POV
This article reads like a hatchet job. While I'm no fan of the whole scene we need to have a much more balanced and objective article here. Exxolon (talk) 00:28, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Got sources? // Liftarn (talk)

Neo-nazi
The reference to neo-nazis in the introduction seems a little over the top for what seems to be an isolated incident in just one country, and is not (to my knowledge) reflective of the culture at large, which it should be if it's in the introduction. That reference can (and arguably should) go in the New Zealand sub-section but I don't think it belongs in the into (109.246.161.31 (talk) 18:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC))

Very biased content.
In this article the lead contains the sentence: Their behavior is frowned upon by members of the public irritated by the noise and the criminal behavior associated with boy racers, including violence by Neo-Nazi "boy racers" Since this article seems focused on UK/Commonwealth countries, perhaps I don't understand, are "boy racers" members of the royal family, military, police or government agents as it is implies they are not "members of the public". Have all members of the public been polled and unanimously agreed that they are irritated by particular sound pollution created by these people. Unless being a "boy racer" legally equivalent of being a criminal in the UK/commonwealth, than it cannot be implied that all "boy racers" are guilty of criminal behavior. Perhaps the author meant that this group promotes an aesthetic style that is unpopular with the majority.

Also, just because a local police department in a commonwealth country linked "boy racers" to "National Socialism" (Nazis) does not merit inclusion in the lead. Shouldn't the Hippie article lead also state: Their behavior is frowned upon by members of the public irritated by the noise and the criminal behavior associated with hippies, including violence by Neo-Nazi "hippies" simply because of public antipathy and Charles Manson?

This article also seems biased against lower income young people, often emphasizing lack of economic resources as a defining trait of the "boy racer" subculture"

I also wonder, can until 2013 only males participate? No working class commonwealth female has ever garishly customized a used front drive subcompact car in all of the UK, Australia, South Africa, Canada or New Zealand?

And why no mention of the Morrissey song?

70.174.84.232 (talk) 14:58, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Moi

Anyhow, I edited it to read: A boy racer refers to a motorist in the Commonwealth who drives an automobile that has been modified with aftermarket body kits, audio system and exhaust system, occasionally in an unlawful manner. 70.174.84.232 (talk) 15:23, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Moi
 * Surely the defining characteristic of a "boy racer" is driving excessively fast/aggressively on public roads, rather than having a modified vehicle. (Oxford Dictionary of English: "Boy Racer (n): Brit informal: a youth or young man fond of driving very fast and aggressively in high-powered cars" 109.149.70.145 (talk) 20:42, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Bull.
First, I will say that this article is NOT neutral in the slightest, and is insulting and slanted against a certain demographic. I have no love for the type of people described in this article, but such bias has no place on Wikipedia, and it offends me. I could almost have sworn this was written for some satire site like "Uncyclopedia". In any case, it clearly seems to be written by people who hold people they consider "boy racers" in derision, and come very close to outright laughing and deriding them. In any case, they portray them in a very negative light. Wikipedia is NOT a place for editorials. Just because you dislike their lifestyle gives you no right to laugh at them and poke fun and write them off as a pathetic joke...not in an encyclopedia it doesn't. Next, I don't think the American definition of "boy racer" matches this article. It's closer to the definition given in another comment on the talk page, from an encyclopedia, "a young man who drives fast on public roads", although the "powerful car" part is not really accurate...they might like to have a powerful car, and may like to modify them to look faster, but neither is the defining characteristic. In any case, I would really like to ditch the semi-snide comments about "ridiculous modifications" (I paraphrase). It is not Wikipedias place to cast ANY judgement on the lifestyle choices or aesthetic preferences of any subculture. I could think of plenty of nasty things to say about liberal, tree-hugging Prius drivers and snide attorneys who drive BMW's and Mercedes, but I doubt people would stand for it if I wrote an article about "rich assholes who drive expensive cars and like to cut people off and don't know how to park to save their lives". There is no excuse for the tone of this article, and I don't see why anyone should require "proper sources" to re-write it in a less negative and semi-sarcastic tone. This is bullshit..45Colt 17:49, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

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