Talk:CapMetro

Typo
Cool. But it should be here: Capital_Metropolitan_Transportation_Authority. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mulder416 (talk • contribs).
 * Thanks for the heads up. Fixed. jareha 23:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Capital Metro Commuter Rail
A commuter rail plan, under the authority of Capital Metro, is underway and scheduled for completion in 2008. The system &mdash; which will be built on pre-existing freight rail lines &mdash; will serve Downtown Austin, East Austin, Northwest Austin and Leander in the first phase. CapMetro, Austin, Texas, USA. It will be called Capital Metro Commuter Rail.

Customer Service Issues
Anon added three complaints, which I have removed. The complaints might be valid, but wikipedia isn't the place to catalog them. If they're cataloged elsewhere, then wikipedia could reference them. Unfortunately, the online CSAC minutes are 15 months out of date. Editors that are interested in this issue should contact the CSAC coordinator and obtain more recent minutes or find some other source such as newspaper articles. Deh 15:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Fare Controversy
I'd like to include some discussion of the proposed fare increases. Surprisingly, I don't have a POV on this! Personally, I don't care if fares are free or $100 a ride. And I do understand that riders never want to pay more, and CapMetro always wants to get more. But I'm confused because higher fares will bring CapMetro a lot of ill will and not much revenue.

Can some Capital Metro insider divulge the real reason for the fare increase? I'm the only one I know who's speculated that CapMetro is actually hoping to make more money by *reducing* ridership (and associated operating expenses), so I guess that paragraph is clearly OR and has to go.

I'm new to Wikipedia. Can anyone help bring this up to Wikipedia standards in a way that still leaves readers with the information they'd need to make up their own minds? Ralph Mudge 19:27, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Capital Metro has proposed to double its base bus fare to $1, and to adjust the other fares proportionately.
 * Fare Increases

"Financial projections show that Capital Metro's expenses will exceed revenue in the near future".
 * Fare Controversy

One one hand, even the proposed $1.00 fare is clearly a bargain. Current fares do not even pay for gas. To cover operating expenses, riders would actually need to pay a $14.00 fare--enough for a taxi.

On the other hand, Capital Metro's revenue has already jumped quite a bit. Sales tax pays for 94 percent of Capital Metro's operating expenses, and those sales tax revenues have increased 20 percent in the last year, which is "$3.7 million higher" than Capital Metro had expected. In addition, fares were only 2.7 percent of revenue last year, so doubling fares won't bring in much more money. If ridership declines by the predicted 38 percent, then doubling fares will only increase revenue by 0.6 percent.

But if the fare increase isn't really about revenue, what is it about? It may be a response to complaints that Capital Metro has a higher subsidy rate than similar transit agencies. (In fact, not counting the university shuttle operations, it's the highest subsidy rate of any transit system in the US. ) Or it may actually be intended to reduce operating expenses caused by vandalism. (During 1990, in response to wide perception that most buses were running virtually empty, Capital Metro attempted to boost ridership by eliminating fares entirely. "This experiment was regarded as both successful in terms of increasing ridership and disastrous in terms of attracting problem riders who drive away quality ridership and caused system losses due to criminal activity." ) -- 15:32, 11 September 2007 Ralph Mudge

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

verifying old daily texan citations
In some of my edits, I've cited Daily Texan articles going back as far as 1989. These can be found online, here:

http://tspweb02.tsm.utexas.edu/Interconnect/INDEX/search.html

Per, that site contains archives from 1984 to 2003. I'd have linked to the articles, directly, in the citations, but, unfortunately, you can't do that with their website. In lieu of that, you can just take the title of any article, replace the spaces with ^'s, and do a search. TerraFrost 16:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

History and Old Routes
I cannot find these routes (They were gone by 1997): original 34, 35, 36, 41, 43, 60, 66, 70, 83, original 91, 92, 93; I saw 11, 23, and 24 on a 1990 map; I am unsure about whether 60, 75, 76, 77, or 78 were used as bus routes. Alexlatham96 (talk) 01:38, 15 April 2019 (UTC)


 * 41L was the "Wells Branch Limited". 43 was "Southwest Oaks" (south from Manchaca and William Cannon). 11 was "Cherrywood" (from downtown to Airport and 51st, slightly dipping into East Austin), paired with route 14 "Travis Heights".  23 was "Wood Hollow" (the northern part of today's route 19, from Far West to Northcross).  AnonMoos (talk) 11:24, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! Here are my sources for the other routes I found and proof that the other routes were eliminated by fall 1996. Other sources are on archives of capmetro.org, capmetro.austin.tx.us, or capitalmetro.com. Still missing: 34 (the first bus route numbered 34; note 34 Great Hills was created in 1999), 35, 36, original 52 Alexlatham96 (talk) 01:15, 27 April 2019 (UTC)


 * My sources for that are a 1992 schedule book and a 1991 route map. I have a late-1980s schedule book somewhere at the bottom of my closet, but it would take a great effort to find it.  By the way, in the early 1990s era, express routes and "feeders" had alphabetic acronym names, not numbers: OKX, IRS, LX, PX, LVF, NEX, and CF (the CF "Cedar Feeder" is listed between routes 39 and 40 in the schedule book, for some reason).  Also, I think the history of the 26 was a little more complex than shown on the article (a missing step or two between the route 5 pairing and the current 20 numbering)...  AnonMoos (talk) 08:48, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I heard from someone today that the 8 Govalle (now the 300 Govalle) did not serve Berkman Drive (or Rogge Lane either) originally. I wonder what bus served these areas at the time. Alexlatham96 (talk) 01:25, 3 July 2019 (UTC)


 * In 1991/1992, the route 8 bus ran along Berkman from Coronado Hills to Rogge, and then turned on Rogge. Of course, Berkman south of 51st didn't exist yet (still part of the airport).  That's all I know... AnonMoos (talk) 01:47, 7 July 2019 (UTC)


 * I found that 60 was "East Campus" (at the time, 54 was "Forty Acres") and 66 was the "North Central Flyer", 70 was the "Northeast Express", and 83 was the "Forty Acres / East Campus". Also, there were two routes numbered 41; 41 was later reused for the "Lago Vista Feeder". See this January 1994 route list, showing Route 43, which was called "South Oaks" at the time, but Routes 11, 23, and 24 were gone already by then, and Route 52 was not shown there, so there was an earlier Route 52. Now only four routes have not been found; I will keep looking. There was a later route numbered 11 which was the "Stassney" bus; this was renumbered 111 when the new numbering system was created (also resulting in route 120 replacing portions of route 20), since it was a neighborhood route. Alexlatham96 (talk) 23:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

UT shuttle website
I updated the shuttle stats from the UT website at its current URL https://parking.utexas.edu/transportation/shuttles, but that website still lists route 653 (which has been eliminated)... AnonMoos (talk) 02:17, 8 October 2018 (UTC)


 * It was probably the largest university transit system at one time, but with the various consolidations between shuttle bus routes and city bus routes, no longer... AnonMoos (talk) 02:03, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Another fatal accident/incident
See https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/cyclist-hit-and-killed-by-bus-on-ut-campus-identified/1734327895 ... -- AnonMoos (talk) 12:45, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * From the location where it occurred, it likely involved a route 7 or route 10 bus. AnonMoos (talk) 04:35, 4 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Daily Texan article yesterday: "CapMetro bus driver charged with manslaughter" -- AnonMoos (talk) 00:43, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Route 455 Leander Shuttle
When was the first use discontinued? Alexlatham96 (talk) 00:09, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Project Connect
See this map.Alexlatham96 (talk) 21:55, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Split MetroBus
I've split out the MetroBus services to Capital MetroBus. The new article certainly needs more references, organization, tidying, etc. but I felt it had enough meat to stand alone. It should also make it much easier to improve this article without having to work around endless tables. Plus, there's the opportunity to cover a portion of the pre-Cap Metro bus service history (Austin Transit, Austin Street Railway, etc.) at least in brief. Another driver for this decision was Project Connect diversifying Cap Metro services where not much more than a decade ago it was essentially bus only. -- DatraxMada (talk) 07:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 18 January 2023

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 10:55, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Capital Metropolitan Transportation Authority → Capital Metro – Per WP:Common name, similarly with Houston Metro. 2600:1700:31BA:9410:8929:D1EC:51F0:AB (talk) 00:48, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 25 February 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 16:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Capital Metro → CapMetro – Since this article name wants to use the common abbreviated name for this organization instead of the full "Capital Metropolitan Transportation Authority" per WP:COMMONNAME, it should really use "CapMetro" because that is what this organization commonly refers to itself as on its own website and by the area's locals and local news agencies. As such, other pages pertaining to CapMetro like Capital MetroBus, Capital MetroRapid, and Capital MetroRail should also all be renamed to "CapMetro Bus", "CapMetro Rapid", and "CapMetro Rail" respectively. OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 21:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  The Night Watch     (talk)   23:09, 3 March 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support. It's weird because I've looked at a few local news articles, and they'll switch between Capital Metro and CapMetro multiple times within the same article. But still I would change to CapMetro because during the 4 years I lived in Austin, I literally never heard anyone say Capital Metro. It was always CapMetro.  Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 01:50, 11 March 2024 (UTC)