Talk:College of Saint Benedict and Saint John's University

Copyvio
The "Partnership" section appears to be copied word-for-word from the official website. Unclear whether this is copyright infringement or advertisement. --67.42.99.229 00:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've corrected this problem, hopefully. android  79  22:14, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

CSB Infobox
Should there be one? ([see example]) --Schulte 13:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There is now -- I just grabbed the one from the vandalism edit and pasted it below the SJU one. My question is, aren't there any notable CSB alumnae?--SarekOfVulcan 14:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The institutions remain autonomous, so there should be a separate page for each institution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.107.250.28 (talk) 03:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

School colors
The pictures on the Athletic website (or on Flickr, rather) seem to show clearly that the SJU colors are Red and White, not Cardinal and Blue, as in the edit I just reverted. Does anyone have an actual cite one way or the other?--SarekOfVulcan 17:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There's a mention of Cardinal and Blue as the school colors within a snippet found here: --Schulte 20:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Update. I'm inclined to go with Cardinal and Blue. If you look at the bottom of the sports pages found at gojohnnies.com/hockey/, they all seem to list those two colors. --Schulte 20:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Guess I have an apology to go post... --SarekOfVulcan 20:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Cardinal and blue? That's a new one on me. android  79  20:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Johnnie Rat
wrote in an HTML comment in the article: "The rat is not and never was the official mascot. Visit gojohnnies.com, the official site of SJU athletics, and you will not see or find a rat anywhere. That's beacuse the athletic department at Saint John's condones use of the rat as the school's mascot. A rat is not the image the athletic department wants portraying Johnnie athletics. Stop using "Johnnie Rat," which is a completely fabricated name by itself."

The rat may or may not be an "official" mascot, whatever that may mean, but it probably deserves mention somewhere in the article. It's got a pretty storied history:, not to mention all of the rat-branded merchandise for sale in the bookstore. android 79  04:53, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
 * From the link above:
 * Before the Rat Section moved from its birthplace, the Rat mascot was born. Kurt Kaiser ’67, then a monk, designed it for a campus poster contest and won first place while hanging it from St. Boniface Hall....In 1972, Steve Conroy ’74, then the Saint John’s sports information director, started using the Rat on basketball programs, replacing the blue jay. Rats may not be the most attractive mascot, but they are entertaining....a new blue jay mascot was introduced. A student dressed in a blue jay outfit came out with the spotlight used for introductions shining on him. The crowd was dead silent, then it erupted in a chant of, “Kill the bird, kill the bird!” The bird was picked up and carried out of Saint John’s tradition. “The Rat is the only thing that has withstood the test of time,” Smith said. “It’s an unusual mascot: a harmless little rodent.”
 * So, looks like at some point, it _was_ the official basketball mascot, at least.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 06:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I sent a message to someone within the Athletic Department and the response I got indicated that "we are the Johnnies." The individual didn't explicitly say that the Johnnies were the mascot...but went on to say that a Johnnie is not a rat. --Schulte 18:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Which, of course, is consistent with what wrote...wonder if that sentiment/position is also held by the administration and alumni association... --Schulte 18:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Record Article references Rat as one of the unique things of SJU.Lowcrawler (talk) 18:22, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Splitting Article
Re: Anonymous's comment above. I agree - there should be two separate articles for these two institutions. While they share a website, they do not share a physical campus, vision for (no) growth, faculty, mindset, or administration. There is also much dissent about being so 'closely linked' by many of the students and monastics. I propose splitting the article and making references to the other school as needed; that would more accurately discribe the reality of the situation. Lowcrawler (talk) 23:00, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Prevost Addition
Who added Prevost to the distinguished faculty section? If you don't post to explain your standard for why he should be mentioned I am going to remove his name. Sure he is published, but plenty of other professors have just as many publications to their name...plus I don't think any mention is made of Bresnahan who'd I'd expect to see if we're going to mention Prevost. I'm removing Prevost's name from the article if no explanation is given in 48 hours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.96.162.19 (talk) 11:44, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Gender Balance
Why are the sections about men so greatly elaborated on compared to the equivalent women's sections? This is most obvious in sports, where the male version has a paragraph per sport but the women's side only lists the sports offered. I see no reason for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.30.144.48 (talk) 02:29, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

This issue is more distinctly identifiable in the "Notable alumni" section. There are approximately 30 alumni listed and only ONE is female! -- rhall28, Oct 14, 2014

Major clean up to the Article
I just did a major clean up to the article. I redid the athletics section -- removed unsourced content -- and removed names from the Notable alumni and faculty sections that did not have a source, or Wikipedia article. There are sections like the Music and Media sections that need a source. I thought about removing those, but I didn't. However, they will be removed if they don't have sources soon. Corkythehornetfan(talk)

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