Talk:Cornhole

Terminology
I have to say, I'm concerned about the Terminology section. For the most part the terms listed seem to not be widely accepted terms but are rather unique to small groups of friends and often seem to be just a friend's name defined as something they often do. What, if anything, can we do to clean up this section? Rbernard80 (talk) 19:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree completely. I have now revamped it in order to attempt to make it respectable. I orginally was going through the list and trying to remove terms in which I could not find a cite for. After going through half the list with no results (apart from copies of the article or blogs making fun of the section), I removed all of them and found a respectable list of terms. While this section may still not be perfect, and I would not be opposed of removing it all together, I think that now it looks at least somewhat respectable though it probably still needs some work. Apparition11 (talk) 16:47, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The source for most of the current terminology is offline now. Should we remove the section entirely? Languagemaven (talk) 23:38, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

What the heck? Where is all the information
Why were the major organizations taken out of this page? This article used to have the major Cornhole leagues and associations. It's like writing an article about Basketball, and not mentioning the NBA.

Phil —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.198.138.234 (talk) 23:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

References in the Media
Section asks for citation for anal sex connotation for "cornhole". Frank Zappa, 1979 Album "Sheik Yerbouti", track 3, "Broken Hearts are for Assholes". 1. I do not see an example template for citing song lyrics so I am unsure of proper format. 2. Wiki article on Sheik_Yerbouti does not contain lyrics but they are available at several "guitar tabs" sites. Breakerslion (talk) 22:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Origination
There has been a lot of back and forth on what Cincinnati neightborhood can lay claim to originating the game. I'm going to remove these edits unless they are backed with a published source. Jokestress 19:22, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

There were a lot of references to Cincinnati inventing the game of cornhole in 1999-2000 and another which mentions the game growing in popularity when a group of college kids started playing. I removed these references since the orgin of the game is unknown, but we do know that it was at least being played in Chicagoland in the 18th century. 66.28.84.148 21:26, 26 April 2007 (UTC)User

The earliest Usenet reference I find using the word is from mid-2002:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.woodworking/browse_thread/thread/ce9a5f1f3ed2136b/138f2ffb9f824fd6?hl=en%C5%A0f2ffb9f824fd6

To me, valid research would include a) any horsehoes-like games involving bags and inclined boards; and b) early uses of the current name of the game. 131.252.209.128 (talk) 06:22, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Haverford
The persistent editor who keeps adding information about Haverford needs to cite a reliable published source (not a self-published blog), or the information will be removed. Jokestress 22:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Rules
Many of the rules presented in the article are copied verbatim from the ACA's Official Rules without citation. Radjago 16:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

It keeps saying four bags, four bags. But it is actually eight bags four per person or team. I think it should be reworded. Unless whoever made this plays by different rules. cedarpointohio2 17:06, 9 june 2008 (est)

Nomenclature
I hate to aska wkard questions, but is there a tie between the game cornhjole and being cornholed?
 * I see you've never played Cornhole... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.23.139.184 (talk) 04:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Pete and Tony are the reigning cornhole champions of Umatilla Fla. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.244.196 (talk) 21:26, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Finley Peter Dunne
As noted in the article (sort of), beanbag has a history in Chicago as well.

I'd be curious to know if the game is specifically what Finley Peter Dunne was referring to when he coined his famous aphorism, "politics ain't beanbag." Anyone know?

--User--

It looks like that was what he was referring to. Bean bags has been around in Chicago for a LONG time so it wouldnt' surprise me. Here is an article that clarifies what he was referring to.

http://www.nfib.com/object/IO_25307.html

65.42.87.192 00:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

According to the Beanbag article, cornhole is a regional name for the game 'beanbag'. I have also heard it referred to as 'bags' by chicagoans. Should this possibly change the origin section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Category
I attached Category:Team sport to this article since it wasn't categorized. However, I am wondering if this is the proper category? Vbofficial 18:10, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio
The bulk of this article is blatant copy-paste copyright violation from the American sactioning organization's ruleset. —  SMcCandlish  &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93; ‹(-¿-)› 23:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Revamp
Hello. I'm planning to rewrite a good portion of this article because, as said in the topic above, a good portion of it is copied from the ACA website. Any objections, tips, criticisms, reverts, rewrites, etc. of this rewrite will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Apparition11 (talk) 03:06, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm done. I do not believe that I removed any of the actual content, just reworked and reworded it. I think that it flows a little better now, and, probably the most important part, it is no longer a copyvio :) Cheers! Apparition11 (talk) 04:14, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I removed the ref tag as I believe everthing is fairly well cited now. Thanks. Apparition11 (talk) 04:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Removing ACO
Quite frankly if your going to list these so called "governing bodies" of cornhole you should list every cornhole website as a reference...it's only fair. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.28.160.106 (talk) 01:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing that this is why you've been removing American Cornhole Organization from the 'See Also' section. If I am wrong, then feel free to rename the header that I put in and further explain your intent. I also assume that you mean give every website its own article since your removal was not a reference, it was a link to another article.


 * In response, no we would not need to be fair by listing every cornhole website, only WP:NOTABLE ones. From what I have looked up about the ACO, it does appear to be notable as it has had coverage in reliable, third-party publications. If you do not agree, then you should take that article to WP:AFD. If you feel that other organizations are also notable, then perhaps you should register an account and start an article on them. I have been planning on doing some research and looking into making an American Cornhole Organization article, but I have not had time and am unsure when I will. In the meantime, just because it's not fair is not a valid reason for removing this internal link. We have an article on it, it is directly related to the subject, and it is not mentioned anywhere else in the article. I do not see any valid reason for removing it. Apparition11 (talk) 01:42, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * See also WP:EL and WP:NOT. It's appropriate to list notable organizations, not random self-published websites.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:14, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * PS: American Cornhole Organization article does now exist.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  10:01, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was ✅. — A itias  //  discussion  21:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * See also Talk:Cornhole.

I propose that this be the first article people see when they search for cornhole, instead of a disambiguation page differentiating the game from the use of the word as a reference to anus. That usage is clearly less significant than the game, and it will not be lessened by keeping it to a disambiguation page. Gyro Copter (talk) 15:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It would probabally be best to link to the other requested move for the dab page since there is already a comment there and it will keep discussion centerlised. --76.66.191.140 (talk) 00:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see Talk:Cornhole for further discussion. Station1 (talk) 01:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose it should redirect to anus with a hatnote here. 76.66.202.139 (talk) 03:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Support - This is the primary usage of the word. ƒingers on  Roids  17:29, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. Cornhole is an obscure slang for anus (for those not familiar with using used corn cobs for toilet paper in an outhouse - almost everyone), and no reason to not use for the title of the game article. 199.125.109.102 (talk) 14:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merge discussion for Cornhole bag
Could the information from that article be moved over here. Neither article is too long, and I don't see where a seperate article on the bag is needed. If there are no objections, I will perform the merge after a reasonable time... -- Jayron  32  02:55, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's been 3 1/2 weeks. I'll be merging presently, as there have been no objections.  -- Jayron  32  03:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * That redlinked after the merge, for a long time, somehow, but is now a redirect to this article again.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  10:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

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Slang term
I find it insane that a vulgar term that already meant something else, since before anyone now on this planet was born, has been co-opted to try to rename a game that was already known by a different, perfectly descriptive, name for just as long. It's called "bean bag toss" (or whatever your region already called it for multiple generations)! "Cornhole" means something entirely different to virtually everyone I've ever met, all over the US. evx (talk) 06:46, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * See WP:NOT policy, and its more detailed explication at WP:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. The fact that "cornhole" can mean 'anus' or 'anal sex' (depending on dialect) isn't an encyclopedia topic. A game that millions of people play, commonly under this name, is an encyclopedia topic.  The article already has a disambiguation hatnote pointing to Cornhole (disambiguation), a topics list that provides links to every known meaning of the word, including Cornhole (slang) article, which covers both of the excreto-sexual meanings. I.e., there is no gap to fill, and what you're objecting to was resolved before you even arrived here. If you're just venting displeasure at shifts over time in word meaning in the language, a) Wikipedia is not a forum, including on its talk pages which exist for coordinating improvement of articles, and b) it's just a fact of what language is and how it works.  PS: Please post new talk page threads at the bottom of talk pages, not the top, and if it's not a response to an existing thread, give it a new subject heading. I've fixed both for you in this case.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:13, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * My concern is that many, many more people know this game as bean bag toss (or some variant), and that should be the title of this entry, as it is older, more descriptive, and even today, much more universally known. If anything, "Cornhole" could redirect to this, or, more accurately, to the disambiguation page. (Thank you, also, for fixing my posting faux pas.)  — User:Evx User talk:Evx 00:32, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You could try to make a WP:RM case, then, with evidence proving it's the WP:COMMONNAME (and aware that others will try to do the opposite, and that RM people are good at detecting faulty search techniques and "sources" that don't count). In my experience, cornhole really is the current common name; I've played league pool in two US states and a Canadian province, and there were also indoor cornhole leagues operating in all three areas, under the name cornhole. It's possible it's a North Americanism, but what evidence is there of, organized play of this game outside the US and Canada?  I have no doubt that the cornhole name is being used precisely because it's funny and almost scandalous; this has much to do with the game's revival. But that didn't happen last month, it's been ongoing for over over a decade.  See, e.g., these two eBay searches:  and ; while there's some overlap due to using multiple keywords in listings, you get more than twice the listings for the cornhole name, even after accounting for beanbag toss vs. bean bag toss spellings.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:22, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Sport governance
We need a section on governing bodies and organized play, including the World Cornhole Organisation (no article yet, but could redirect to this new section if we summarized WCO here, and yes, they use the -isation spelling), American Cornhole Organization, etc., and some coverage of play in various countries including not just the US and Canada but where ever there is reliably sourceable organized competition.

In Iran
added the following completely unsourced material, which I have reverted for being unsourced (especially since it contains claims about living persons, here with some typographic cleanup like removal of a bunch of pointless boldfacing:

Some of this verges on impenetrable, but the gist of it could probably be replaced with:

All of this needs reliable sources. However, we do not need any name-dropping of such non-notable individuals in the first place, especially not for a sub-organisation in Tehran. We also do not need a section for this, but a single entry in a list of corhole organizations in various countries. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:59, 4 January 2024 (UTC)