Talk:Criccieth Castle

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I've only read through part of the article so far, but I thought I'd leave some comments here: Richard Nevell (talk) 23:01, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The lead summarises the article well. One thing I'd be tempted to add would be an acknowledgement of the buildings within the castle and their state (or rather their lack). The current emphasis is on the curtain walls, towers, and gatehouse as the surviving remains, but I assume there would have been buildings within the castle that don't survive.
 * It might also be worth mentioning in the lead that the castle is open to visitors. It is in the infobox, so it could go either way.
 * "At this time the only structures in Criccieth were the parish church of St Catherine and its associated buildings": First of all, I think this is an accurate reflection of what O'Neil wrote in his 1945 article; O'Neil says "So far as is known, before the early thirteenth century the only buildings at or near the site of the present castle and town of Criccieth were the church and any concomitant buildings in its immediate vicinity." However, I'm not sure it rings true. My reading of it places emphasis on "So far as is known", because the presence of a church near a castle would make it likely that there is a settlement nearby. The pairing of a castle and church was fairly common, especially in settlements intentionally founded by the local lord. The church must have been intended to serve some community outside the castle walls, otherwise a chapel in the castle would have been sufficient. The issue here is what to do without overstepping the guidance on original research. I'd be tempted to water down the wording.


 * Sorry Richard, I completely missed this until now! To respond:
 * I've mentioned the inner ward buildings and that the castle is open to the public to the lead. I've not mentioned opening times or similar as they could become outdated at any time.
 * It's not particularly clear in O'Neil, but Dolbenmaen is about five miles north of Criccieth, so we're not dealing with a nucleated settlement built around a church and castle. The promontory on which the castle is built was apparently unoccupied beforehand except for a possible prehistoric camp, so it's not unreasonable to assume the church at Criccieth was an isolated structure which primarily served the scattered farms around it.
 * A.D.Hope (talk) 12:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries, they really are minor points. On a related note, the sources used are pretty much what I would expect for an article like this and I'm not seeing significant gaps. I checked Nicola Coldstream's "Architects, Advisers and Design at Edward I’s Castles in Wales" but it only mentions Criccieth and I don't think there's anything there that can be adapted here. Richard Nevell (talk) 20:44, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
 * They're points worth raising, Richard! Thanks for checking Coldstream, much appreciated. It's good to have some reassurance that the bibliography is more or less comprehensive. A.D.Hope (talk) 09:45, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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