Talk:DEFCAD

Frame of DEFCAD Article
Seeing that a DEFCAD article had been created and linked to from the Defense Distributed page, I find a group of new editors building a vanity page around OR and copypasta from the DD article. All published accounts of DEFCAD are that it is a for-profit derivative of DD with a specific location and purpose. I reframed the article using a similar company's article as a template. Edits about community activity or developments can be made in the Community section of the article if they are verifiable and warrant encyclopedic treatment.--Lev (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

DEFCAD Redirect
The Defcad link on wikipedia was just a redirect, there was no page. Defcad is a decentralized group that was started by Defense Distributed, not a centralized group in anyway run by Defense Distributed. Defense Distributed contributes to the community in many productive ways but there are no leaders or members of DEFCAD. Since there was no page the defcad community created one to define this concept with references. The construction on the page prior to it being changed was still a work in progress and was started before the DEFCAD search engine went live (which was included on the defcad wiki page). We suggest that if a another page for the company is desired a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defcad_(company) page be made (or again redirected to the DD site if it will just reflect a company advertisement). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moarguns (talk • contribs) 22:24, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You're saying there's 2 different entities called DEFCAD, a community and a company, with no relationship other than the name? Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:26, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * DEFCAD was until March 2013 a legal subsidiary of Defense Distributed. It became its own company that month and has since organized around a set of exclusive articles, operations, and products separate from Defense Distributed. This article reflect's Moarguns understanding of an organization through the DEFCAD IRC community's culture and history. There are a number of misstatements and factual errors in the piece reflecting this lack of understanding. Defense Distributed does not provide any service at DEFCAD, the forums included. It originally paid for and organized them, but DEFCAD has its own funding and operational structure. All features of DEFCAD are provided by DEFCAD. The current article should be included as part of the community section of a broader article about the operation or it should be its own "DEFCAD Community" article.--Lev (talk) 23:12, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see this account in Forbes, included as a citation in this article as well.--Lev (talk) 23:56, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Communications outside of Wikipedia has taken place. Although the community still holds the belief that it is separate from the company Defense Distributed including all subsidiaries, I will no longer make attempts to dispute the page in this fashion (having revisions flipped back and forth). The issue of whether or not Defense Distributed believes the community is in anyway under its control is still in debate and wikipedia is not the place, imho, for such a debate. We have a community to run and cad to design. Thank you for you time. . Moarguns talk
 * I will take this for the concession it is. Reverting page to company template within 24 hours. --Lev (talk) 01:19, 5 August 2013 (UTC)