Talk:De-Sinicization

Vietnam and the section's odd ignorance of the historical term "Hoa"
The Vietnam section really really weird. For one "" talks about early "Chinese" migrations to Vietnam while the rest is about modern immigrants, this gives an odd sense of continuity between the earlier "Chinese" immigrants and modern "Chinese" immigrants, but earlier groups of "Chinese" people, such as the Minh Hương and most certainly those earlier are referred to as "Kinh people" today and "Hoa people" exclusively descent from more modern immigrants. The terms "Hoa people" and "Han-Chinese" used to refer to "the Vietnamese" until the early 20th (twentieth) century (The Hán-Vietnamese?? (More Evils of Quốc Ngữ,),), as of the Tiểu Trung Hoa principle as the mid-20th century term "Kinh" wasn't used for the Vietnamese at the time and those now considered "Hoa" were called "Thanh". As "Chinese" before the 20th century was a cultural identity rather than what it is today. Note that the term "Kinh" historically would make very little sense for a population that is over 90% (ninety percent) rural and while the current Wikipedia article traces its origins to 10th and 11th centuries the term then was also used to refer to the people of the capital and not some "ethnic group" and no "civilised" person would not call themselves "Hoa".

So a better case for "de-sinicisation" in Vietnam would be when the people today considered to be "Kinh" (native Vietnamese and pre-Qing Chinese immigrants) started differentiating themselves from the "Hoa civilisation" and the slow abandonment of Traditional Chinese characters. A similar issue exists with the section on Korea as the abandonment of Hanja is mentioned very little is discussed of when the "Koreans" stopped viewing themselves as "Chinese" and the philosophical debates within Korean society that caused these changes to happen in the first place. It is quite odd how in many of these cases the results but not the origins of "de-sinicisation" are discussed. --Donald Trung (talk) 08:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)