Talk:Death of Mahsa Amini

Name
Her name isn't "Mahsa Amini, also known as Jina Amini". Her name is Jina Amini, with the forced official name of Mahsa Amini. Stating that she is also known as Mahsa, along with the context for that name, is proper. Giving it as her main/primary/real name, is an offensive lie. It is a clear violation of WP:BLP and WP:NPOV. An insult, pure and simple …and Wikipedia's rules/policies/guidelines, don't allow for articles to make gratuitous insults. 155.4.221.27 (talk) 08:06, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Mahsa is simply the common name in the context, since most sources follow her official name/name on paper. The bulk of sources do not use "Jina". Iskandar323 (talk) 11:19, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * According to her family, she was known by her Kurdish name: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iran-protests-mahsa-amini-cousin-speaks-out
 * Vibrioidxire (talk) 03:13, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The fact that most sources uses "Mahsa", is no excuse for denigrating her, by using the name. It is very similar to deadnaming, which goes against Wikipedia policy. 155.4.221.27 (talk) 21:48, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * MOS:DEADNAME only applies to gender, and I can't think of another policy that is going to overturn WP:COMMONNAME here. While it may be true that the Aminis registered their daughter under one name and called here another, due to Iranian restrictions on the use of Kurdish names, that's a pretty unusual situation that I am not sure of there are any parallels for that will have worked their way into policy. Assuming that is correct, you may need to start a discussion elsewhere to create a new policy entirely to achieve this. Iskandar323 (talk) 04:04, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * What part of "very  similar  to", do you now understand? Also, there are exceptions to WP:COMMONNAME. (such as MOS:DEADNAME, and WP:NPOVTITLE, for example)
 * ...and how does WP:NPOVTITLE not apply?
 * Keep in mind, that the Iranian policy, forbidding non-Persian names, is an intentional suppression/oppression of all non-Persian peoples (and Iran has always been a very multicultural/multi-ethnic/multi-religious/multilingual country, with other peoples who have lived there just as long as the Persians), and an attempt at slowly assimilating them. A form of slow ethnic cleansing/genocide ...or at least to give an appearance, that the country only has Persians. Which, among other things, further works to suppress and oppress all non-Persians.
 * "that's a pretty unusual situation that I am not sure of there are any parallels for that will have worked their way into policy"
 * There are policies on similar cases, that all support the notion, that using 'Mahsa' is inappropriate. So there definitely ARE clear parallels. If there is a lack of a clearly applicable written policy, that only means that it is exactly the kind of case, where there needs to be an exception made, as per WP:5P5/WP:IGNORE.
 * You don't have to create a new policy, and then apply it. That notion completely goes against Wikipedia policy. Indeed, against the Five Pillars! 155.4.221.27 (talk) 14:51, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * "Keep in mind, that the Iranian policy, forbidding non-Persian names (...)"
 * Source? - LouisAragon (talk) 14:57, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
 * How about the ones mentioned in the Article?
 * https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63200649
 * https://novaramedia.com/2022/10/04/jina-mahsa-amini-was-kurdish-and-that-matters/ 155.4.221.27 (talk) 08:11, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Adding onto this as I circled back around for the anniversary. This definitely needs to be updated, as she lived in a Kurdish town where Persian names were little more than a formality. According to her family "Nobody ever called her Mahsa." I think to maintain NPOV Jina should be used throughout the article and as the title, with a redirect from Mahsa.
 * source:
 * https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/an-iranian-icon-who-was-jina-mahsa-amini-a-f6399d1e-589f-436e-8408-3c44861ba035 128.239.213.82 (talk) 08:14, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

"Kurdish-Iranian" at Mahsa Amini
I changed "an Iranian woman" to "a Kurdish-Iranian woman" at this article and Mahsa Amini. Please see Talk:Mahsa Amini for explanation and sources, and please discuss this there to keep discussion in one place. Levivich (talk) 19:37, 11 November 2023 (UTC)


 * MOS:ETHNICITY; "The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. In most modern-day cases, this will be the country, region, or territory, where the person is currently a citizen, national, or permanent resident; or, if the person is notable mainly for past events, where the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable. Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability." She is notable for her tragic murder by IRI authorities, not her ethnicity. Please revert yourself and make a RFC if you must. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:14, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to self-revert (of course anyone else can revert me), and please, let's keep the discussion in one place, at Talk:Mahsa Amini. Levivich (talk) 02:01, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Levivich, you disregarded the note in the article, made a controversial edit in a contentious topic without any form for discussion, let alone WP:CONSENSUS. You are well aware of the rules, and probably also that this has been discussed multiple times - there are no exceptions here. If you truly are doing this in WP:GF, then please revert yourself and make a RFC if you must. HistoryofIran (talk) 02:20, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * If you or other editors want to have two separate discussions at the two articles, we can do that. But if you think we should have one discussion about both articles, let's discuss it there and not here. Levivich (talk) 03:50, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * This is starting to get disruptive, please revert yourself. If the discussion is going to be anything like Talk:Kurds where you kept repeating the same arguments (WP:REHASH) instead of addressing my responses, then you will save us both time by making an RFC. HistoryofIran (talk) 04:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Since you ignored me (again), I've reverted you and written the same comment in the thread you wished. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:08, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 March 2024
Please add this new section to the end of article:

The report of United Nations Human Rights Council
The fact-finding mission (FFM), established by the United Nations Human Rights Council in November 2022, has released a report on March 8, 2024 concluding Iran's regime is to blame for the physical violence that killed Mahsa Amini. The mission’s report also found that the Iran's regime carried out widespread and sustained human rights violations against its own people, which broke international laws and specifically targeted women and girls. GolistanK (talk) 09:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ I added this with some rephrasing and pulled a few more details from the sources. Thanks for putting all this together. Jamedeus (talk) 03:49, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Jamedeus Thank you very much, GolistanK (talk) 05:14, 10 March 2024 (UTC)