Talk:Deaths in July 2012

Ernest Borgnine
Do we really have to have Spongebob Squarepants in as one of Borgnine's most notable works? He wasn't even a main character. For an actor who was in more than 70 films and dozens of TV shows over several decades, I don't think a bit-part voiceover in a cartoon is up there. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:37, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It covers three aspects of his career: film (Marty), television (McHale's Navy) and voice acting (SpongeBob). Rusted AutoParts 23:43, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You don't think it's supposed to cover his most important works? I do. To say that Spongebob outweighs From Here to Eternity or The Dirty Dozen is more than a bit ridiculous. Bretonbanquet (talk) 00:01, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * In Borgnine's obituary in Variety that covers his entire career, SpongeBob SquarePants is given a passing reference at the end of the article. Perhaps it is time to set up some guidelines for parenthetical references, including entertainment, sport, politics, business and academia. WWGB (talk) 00:53, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes; hear, hear. We seem to have this sort of discussion every time someone of global significance expires. What was their most important album, book, TV appearance, political, religious or academic status etc.  Or perhaps even more contentious, which to include or exclude. Otherwise, and more generally, for the lesser lights (bless them) it never seems to be much of a problem.


 * My own view is that most individual articles list/cite/explain those factors, somewhat better, than a single line in the 'Deaths' column ever does. So, perhaps, we should simply list the individual's name (and other basic death details as normally), and then leave the finer points as to why they are deemed to be notable, in the link to the individual's own article. Perhaps a 'cop-out', but it might save endless edits, reverts and so on here, that actually seem to serve little purpose except for some sub-editors to write their thoughts for all to see.  D'oh.


 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 01:13, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I wasn't excluding anything. I set it up so three examples of three aspects of his life were used. Marty is used over From Here to Eternity as it won him his Oscar. McHale's Navy a popular show and SpongeBob is used as his highlighted voice acting as he appeared in it frequently. I wan't aiming to exclude anything, but i felt one example of each category (film, TV, voice acting) was fair. Rusted AutoParts 02:20, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Akira Toki
I wanted to talk about a notable death in the Madison, Wi. area. I cant decide if the guy should be included or not. His name was Akira Toki who was an American of Japanese descent during WW2. He joined the 100th Battalion and served his country with distinction earning several bronze stars in an all Japanese regiment that had several major rescue missions in the European theatre- notably they were the ones that pulled "the Lost Battalion" rescue. He has had several books written about him, the struggles with racism he endured and his service record in Europe. He also has had a school named after him in Madison. I will give you guys some links to go with yea or no on. It could go either way I think. ,,. Sunnydoo (talk) 11:46, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * "several books written about him" sounds sufficient to meet WP:GNG. WWGB (talk) 12:12, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * several books written about him and a school named after him? Seems pretty notable to me. - SudoGhost 17:04, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Berthe Meijer
I added Berthe Meijer on 10 July 2012 page, giving her description as Dutch-Jewish. It is certain that it was not my description, but given by sources citing her death. You deleted the latter part of it, leaving only Dutch. You stated in edit summary that it is a formatting issue. Can you please explain the reason for your formatting in this case? Thanks, Egeymi (talk) 18:05, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The standard format here is to report nationality, not religion. The reporting of religion is limited to members of religious orders, such as archbishops and rabbis. WWGB (talk) 23:22, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: If Ms. Meijer was known to write about Jewish (Judaic) history, then that could be added, as in Arno Lustiger's listing, but that is not the case here. — WylieCoyote (talk) 00:24, 17 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for information. I will follow it. Egeymi (talk) 05:24, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

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