Talk:Deaths in May 2012

Dynaformer
Are we really accounting for racehorses in this list? 209.7.246.33 (talk) 13:59, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Yup; all animals that are notable enough to have an existing Wikipedia article at the time of their death. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:20, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Please scroll up to the section here titled "Deaths of Animals". Thanks. — WylieCoyote (talk) 14:22, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 May 2012
Please clarify the date of birth issue regarding actress Patricia Medina. The current status and according to LA Times is that she was born July 19, 1919 and 92 years. But this obituary from The Telegraph states she was born November 11, 1918 and 93 years old. Which source should we believe?!


 * Obituary - Telegraph


 * Obituary - LA Times

194.69.14.120 (talk) 07:40, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The article gives a reference for 1919. You can discuss this further at Talk:Patricia Medina  --Racklever (talk) 07:56, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request for May 8th
Are we now listing notable terrorists?

The only notable terrorist that should be listed is Bin Laden, otherwise, who cares about these idiots?

Just simply remove them! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arkitan (talk • contribs) 07:46, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Being disliked does not make a subject non-notable. And there are/were *many* notable terrorists besides bin Laden. 68.13.247.167  (talk) 05:09, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Lord Glenamara
The Times reports today, 10th May 2012, that Lord Glenamara, formerly Ted Short, has died. He alread has an article here. I can't find a reference to when he died.MetroDenizen (talk) 11:52, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * He is listed under 4 May, as confirmed by such obituaries as this. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:38, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you; I confess I hadn't looked that far back. Also his article made no reference to his death, though I see it now does. MetroDenizen (talk) 13:01, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Ramesh Mehta
It is the wrong person's article which is listed as Ramesh Mehta. There are two of the same name. See http://deshgujarat.com/2012/05/11/synonym-of-gujarati-film-comedy-ramesh-mehta-passes-away/ and http://www.indianetzone.com/40/ramesh_mehta.htm FYI.--62.158.118.109 (talk) 07:02, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * What is wrong, the sources listed for his death or his main article? Both of the sources you list are very similar to the one given for his main page death. — WylieCoyote (talk) 15:47, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought it's not so difficult to realize that the person who died at the age of 77 (b. June 23, 1934) is a Gujarati comedy actor born in Navagam village of Saurashtra as son of Girdharlal Bhimji Mehta. Whereas the totally DIFFERENT person who is described in the article is a theatre personality born in 1923 in Jhang Maghiyana as son of Pyare Lal Mehta. What's wrong is that the death notice is attributed to the wrong person. Wikipedia has no article about the man who died, the man in the article is still alive.--62.158.96.138 (talk) 18:11, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh, now I understand what you are saying. I don't know how to link it here when there are similar names. Does anyone else? It should be noted as well at the Ramesh Mehta page that they are different, but I would say there would be an edit war on that page. — WylieCoyote (talk) 21:07, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I changed the Wiki article back to the one who is alive and added a note to check here. — WylieCoyote (talk) 21:17, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I fixed the link on this deaths page. It seems from his obituary article that he was a comedian, first and foremost ... above and beyond being a playwright, director, and actor (as originally listed in this article).  Thanks.  Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:59, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Joseph A. Spadaro. I completely forgot about adding something to the name to differentiate. (It's been a lonnnng weekend!) I also added an arrowed editor's note on the main page for others who may try to change it again. — WylieCoyote (talk) 00:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Great ... thanks!  Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

UPDATE: As is standard with the monthly move, Mehta was removed from the page since he has a red link. — WylieCoyote 21:16, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 May 2012
For the sake of consistency, please change the entry for Arno Lustiger from "German-Jewish historian and author" to "German historian and author". Lustiger's religion is irrelevant in the death notice. It likely does have a rightful place in his biographical entry, since he wrote largely on Jewish-related topics and his life was clearly shaped by his experiences as a Jew under the Nazi regime. Mention of a person's religion is relevant in a death notice only if this person was a religious figure and the religion was therefore directly related to the reason for his or her prominence in the first place (e.g. a pope, a televangelist, a lama, etc.), or if the person's prominence was related to being a secular leader of a community defined by its religious affiliation in a civil war or other conflict situation (e.g. Shi'a militia in Iraq, Protestant militia in Northern Ireland, etc.). It is not stylistically appropriate in other situations (unless all the death notices include the person's religion). Several weeks ago I had proposed changing the entry for the 02 May death of Zvi Zeitlin from "Russian classical violinist" to the more accurate "Russian-born Jewish-American classical violinist", and someone wrote back to explain that Zeitlin's religion was irrelevant in the death notice. Since then, the entry has been changed to "Belorussian-born American classical violinist" (after it was discovered that he had in fact been born in what is now Belarus). A comparable entry for Lustiger could be "Upper Silesian-born German historian and author". Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.116.219.15 (talk) 14:27, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I changed it to "Polish-born German author of Jewish history" since he was born in Będzin, which is in southern Poland. — WylieCoyote (talk) 17:11, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done This was apparently changed to "Polish-born German author of Jewish history." Is that acceptable? Thanks.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 17:11, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * To WylieCoyote from the original poster: Thank you for your effort, and I think the way you chose to incorporate the words "German" and "Jewish" is very accurate, but alas, you've opened up a historical can of worms that has been the cause of wars in Central Europe in times past with your use of the word "Polish"!  With the ever-changing borders of the region, one must always check not just the location, but also the date, to determine the country.  Upper Silesia was a historical point of contention between numerous countries over the centuries, including between Germany and Poland in the 1920s.  Hitler's invasion of the place in 1939 was a continuation of this process.  I've tried to ascertain in Wikipedia if Będzin was technically in Germany or Poland when Lustiger was born in May 1924 and - as a vivid illustration of just how complicated this question is - was not able to find a clear answer!  It probably was de facto in Poland, even though the majority of the population had voted in a plebiscite in 1921, after numerous uprisings, to be a part of Germany.  Given the fact that Upper Silesia has had a distinct and turbulent history of its own, apart from that of Poland or Germany and often in antagonism with both, I still think that to say that Lustiger was born in Upper Silesia is more accurate than to say that he was born in Poland.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.116.219.15 (talk) 03:31, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry it has taken so long to respond. (These topics get buried at times) But I have changed the entry to reflect your request, even though Upper Silesia is now a part of the Republic of Poland, hence the "Polish-born" listing. On June 20, 1922 Germany ceded, de facto, the eastern parts of Upper Silesia, becoming part of Silesian Voivodeship of the Second Polish Republic. Arno was born in June 1924. After 1945, almost all of Upper Silesia that was not ceded to Poland in 1922 was transferred to the Republic of Poland. As for your proverbial "historical can of worms", no one else in the Wikiworld has mentioned it. — WylieCoyote (talk) 23:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Jim Paratore
Jim Paratore died today from a heart attack while on a cycling vacation in France. He was 58. Paratore most recently owned a production company, the Warner Bros. TV Group-based paraMedia, and was executive producer on syndicated TV magazine TMZ and daytime talker The Ellen DeGeneres Show — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.54.137.93 (talk) 22:49, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done. — WylieCoyote (talk) 01:43, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

This page says Paratore produced "The Ellen DeGeneres Show" and "The Rosie O'Donnel Show", but the link given only refers to "Ellen" and "Rosie". DeGeneres has had three shows named after her, and Rosie two. All are informally shortened to first names. I believe a more specific source article should be used to avoid confusion. Also, if he produced TMZ, wouldn't that make a TMZ article a primary source (which are disrecommended)? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:47, 30 May 2012 (UTC) http://www.calgaryherald.com/entertainment/executive+producer+Paratore+dies/6697950/story.html, perhaps? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:49, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I changed the source to the New York Daily News, and that source lists the correct Ellen and Rosie shows, which the main page states. He FOUNDED TMZ, but that would stretch out his obit. You could always create an article for him, as most people do after seeing redlinks etc. — WylieCoyote (talk) 23:34, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

UPDATE: As is standard with the monthly move, Paratore was removed from the page since he has a red link. — WylieCoyote 21:17, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Kaneto Shindo
Shindo is listed with "senility" as cause of death. There is nothing in the references that supports that claim. Senility is normally not lethal. I suggest that we leave the cause blank for the time being. --83.226.126.90 (talk) 12:22, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Walter Breitzke changed it on May 30 to "natural causes" and re-sourced. — WylieCoyote (talk) 17:29, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


 * This source references the senility. Which one do we use here?  Lugnuts  (talk) 08:15, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


 * May I suggest you check the Senility discussion on this page? — WylieCoyote (talk) 23:33, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Ref list
I'm making a reference list, similar to Deaths in June 2012. I've added an under construction tag, and will be doing this over the next couple of days. If you don't agree, please say so. And feel free to help out with the references.--Mjs1991 (talk) 03:15, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Ed Ray
I think that Ed Ray should be added to the May 17th entry, I'm not really sure how to do that though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Chowchilla_kidnapping

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/2012/05/17/2349939/ed-ray-chowchilla-bus-driver-in.html

Cyrissia (talk) 19:52, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * This article lists only notable people who have died. While the 1976 Chowchilla kidnapping may have been notable, Ray's role would come under WP:ONEVENT and so he is not individually notable. WWGB (talk) 00:42, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

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