Talk:Degrassi: The Next Generation/Archive 1

Character pages?
The characters page has been cleaned. Can someone put a spoiler warning to appease those who don't want to be spoiled?

Hey, I think it would be a cool idea to give each character their own pages, and then let users edit them. There is a lot of info on the characters. As for spoilers, there would just need to be a spoiler warning.-user

What season of DTNG is Australia at now? As far as where an editor can go in spoliers, that would eb nice to know. Ithink the character descriptiosn could be tweeked abit, becuase some of them just read awkward. --Boycottthecaf 04:13, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

This page has been through quite a few major edits in the past 2 months, one of which was at my hands. Basically, there was a good, simple page here which was skewed by a fan of one of the characaters. I've attempted to return the page to a neutral point of view (NPOV) and fill in much missing info but it still suffers from the disorganization of the "Spinner edit."

My instinct right now is to scrap the character descriptions, moving them instead to their own pages.

If I were to split these pages out, would other people be willing to fill in more info about their favorite characters? This would give us more room to go into depth about the actors who play them, their individual histories, etc, but would be quite a bit of work.
 * I can't see that as being useful. The page isn't large enough that it needs to be split, and I don't know if it's really necessary to have a separate page for each character. The character descriptions could be a bit better and slightly longer, but we don't need to have more than three or four sentences for each.Kevin M Marshall 21:06, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't object if they were split out, but I'm not all that bothered either way. Ambi 23:22, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Spinner is fucking awesome, you need to learn that, and shut your bitch mouth. Don't make me come over there. Boycottthecaf 12:28 AM 4 Feb 2005 (Toronto Time)


 * The page is really effective and interesting as it is, with the character descriptions involing recent plot lines. I think creating indivdiual character pages would be a mistake.  However, the page reveals all the major plots from the third series which have yet to be seen in Australia.  Perhaps a spoiler warning would be appropriate.  If you agree, say something here, or just put one up.  Spinner is awesome, but there is no need to bully people in these wiki forums Boycottthecaf.  --Commander Keane 12:15, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * All I'm saying is that, if anything, more of Wikipedia needs to be devoted to Spinner. Who the hell cares about the history of Poland or say, women's sufferage, when we can delete that crap and make room for articles on Spinner getting a boner or finding earwigs in the caf or telling Rick to shoot Jimmy? Boycottthecaf 11:15 PM 5 Feb 2005 (Toronto Time)


 * Looking at the page again, I completely agree with Ambi and Commander Keane - I think the page works fairly well as it is. If I were to have request list for this page it would be:

Glitch010101 05:27, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Remove any unnecessary plot spoilers / add a spoiler disclaimer at the top.
 * Ensure Neutral point of view
 * Include missing characters

Character pages Part II: The Reckoning
Infinare once said to me: "Is Chante's surname really Black? and I think Rick deserves main character because he had a major impact on the show for a 'minor character'. And he's had more episodes about him than Hazel. He should be an exception to the Credits rule."

I'm pretty sure it is Black. I guess I would have to dig up whatever the episode was where it was mentioned.

As for Rick, while he has centered around more episodes than Hazel, I thinkt that dividing the chacacters based on whether their actor was billed in the opening credits, or just mentioned as a guest at the closing credits is a good way to sort them out. It sticks to a NPOV by going how the show itself feels they were prominent instead of how indivual fans feel. This way, we can avoid too much bickering and edit wars over people who inject their own opinions over how important each character is.

I think it stands up pretty well. --Boycottthecaf 01:44, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

The character bios are getting really long and taking their toll on the page's size and load time. I suggest creating a new spinoff page for the character desciptions, so people can go hog wild with details and spoilers there, and shorten the descriptions on the main Degrassi TNG page to a sentence or two that don't reveal anything spoilerish, and just include the main characters. This would clean up the page. --Boycottthecaf 00:25, 9 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I created Degrassi:_The_Next_Generation_characters and moved the bios there becuase the size of the page was getting longer than the recomended size. Now the page should load faster. --Boycottthecaf 00:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I just reorganized this page extensively by grade level. Please tell me what you think.--  22:07, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I think Darcy should be a regular charater now. Le Raine

Community College
Being from Australia I am curious about the definition of a Comunity College, which is featured in The Next Generation.

In Australia we have Primary School (ages 6-12/Grades 1-7) and Secondary School[High School] (ages 13-17/Grades 8-12).

What is the situation in Canada? --Commander Keane 10:21, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Degrassi is a community school, not a community college. I have no idea if there is a difference between community schools and a regular secondary school, other than Degrassi is a hell of alot better funded than any school I've ever been too. I think "community school" is just a phrase the show uses. The US and Canada both have the Australian set up, so I assume it's similar among English speaking countries, at least. (I'm a American, but near the Canadian border, for what it's worth.)

Community college, on the other hand, is usually a two year college that costs way less a four year college or university. There are also open to pretty much anyone, and are usually the way high school drop outs can go to college. Most people in a community college wanting a four year degree transfer to a four year college or universiy after two years at the community college, though the community college near my town offers four year degrees in nursing. Also, a person (usually older) could just sign up for only one class for the hell of it in order to learn about something or a new talent, with no intension of completeing a degree. --Boycottthecaf 19:40, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * My guess would be that "community school" is the same as "public school". It seems that the Irish usage of "community school" is synonomous. --Tydaj 04:31, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * A community school typically offers public education for youth, as well as programs for the general community. There may be before and afterschool care for children, continuing education programs, night school, etc. The idea is that the school is a centre for the community, rather than a facility that sits empty from 3 pm until 9 am every day. --Westendgirl 07:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Domestic violence?
First of all, I love the series, thats why I never miss an episode. Which leads me to a question: today I saw a boy hit his girlfriend and basically be real abusive towards her in an episode. She seems to be the type of person who accepts this violence as an act of love.

Since they are not living together, only school mates, how can we describe this show of "romantic' (cant find another word) violence in the article? Im not sure that the term domestic violence would count in this case.

"Antonio Degrassi Freshman Martin"

Well, judging by the article at domestic violence, I think it could be considered domestic violence, although literally speaking I can see where some might have a problem. Nevertheless I don't think there's any other applicable term, at least not one with a Wikipedia entry. I wouldn't see a problem with including domestic violenc on the list of controversial topics which Degrassi deals with. Kevin M Marshall 21:28, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * You can say she was in "an abusive relationship," or use the term "abusive relationships." I think "domestic violence" would be fine, and most people use the term to describe violence between couples in a general, not literal, sense - but I'd say something like "abusive relationship" or "abusive partner" or "violent relationship." Caprica 19:35, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Let's please stop the edit war before it really gets going
It looks like we've had a bit of an edit war going with some information about the character JT. While the information which has been posted about the size of the character's penis is factually correct (according to an episode in Season 4), it isn't exactly worthy of being the second sentence in a description of JT. If the description of each character were a decent-sized paragraph, I think it could be reasonable to include this information. In any case, I'd rather not see an edit war erupt over the issue.

To those who have been editing and putting the sentence back in: Please realize that it is not the second-most important thing about JT and that it doesn't really belong in a two sentence description.

To those who have been deleting it: it is NOT vandalism. It is an issue which Degrassi has covered (Season 4, Episode 4 "Mercy Street"). Whether it merits inclusion, I don't know, but please realize that it is not simple vandalism.Kevin M Marshall 21:09, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Is there a good way to deal with the spoilers in the character descriptions?
Thanks to the fact that Degrassi airs first in Canada, then in the US, then in Australia, we've got a bit of a sticky situation with regards to dealing with spoilers in the character descriptions. Where exactly is the Australian series right now--somewhere in season 2 or 3? Ideally we can give a good description of each character while avoiding outright spoilers of anything that hasn't been seen yet in Australia or the US. I noticed a couple descriptions which include things that haven't occurred yet in the US airings. While I realize we have a spoiler warning, we're dealing with a situation in which there are essentially three different levels of spoilers. I'm not really sure what we can do, apart from having separate sections describing where the characters are for Australia, then for the US, then for Canada. But that would probably be a mess. Any better suggestions?


 * It will be challenging, but I feel that describing the base personality of each character is possible without disclosing events that have happened to them. From there, working on a tvtome style episode guide (with airdates for Canada, US, and Austraila, so you can avoid reading episodes that haven't aired yet in your region) would be a more appropriate place to list everything that has happened to a character than in their description. I will probably take a crack at this sometime in the near future and put it up for perusal. This was the way the page used to be structured before the initial "spinner-centric edit" by boycotthecaf Glitch010101 03:39, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * I've made this edit, and while I know it needs to be proofed at least twice more, I don't have the energy tonight. Please edit this section to fix spelling and grammer and to create great descriptions of each character WITHOUT revealing major plot points. Glitch010101 05:29, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Terri info
Thanks to whoever was at 216.179.96.86 for the excellent writeup of Terri. It works well without revealing any big plot points and really captures her character and the issues she is dealing with. Very well done.Glitch010101 21:07, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Episodes
I think we need a sub-page for the episodes. If every episode is added that would be completely unwieldly.Kevin M Marshall 12:51, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I totally agree. I think the page is already getting a bit long and we've only begun with the episode guide. I'm don't think I've got quite enough dedication to do those summaries myself, but I'll be happy to provide editing/cleanup as we go if other people want to continue to fill them in. Glitch010101 02:40, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Is there a template that can be used for creating an episode guide? Alot of other TV show episode guide pages are pretty nice on the eyes, and we should strive for that in remaking the guide. See some examples at  --Boycottthecaf 02:13, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Removed more spoilers
Sorry to those who contributed new information about the characters that has been deleted. We've been trying to keep the character descriptions spoiler free, which means not diviulging any information that might give a big plot secret away.

I'm flexibile here - should we slap a spoiler warning on it and agree to keep info up until a certain season, or do folks like it like it is?

We also attempted a episode guild, but someone "helpfully" pasted the TV tome episode guide there, violating tvtome's copyright. If you want to help fill in events that have happened to the characters since first meeting them, we really need some people to watch the back-episodes and write up a new guide.

Glitch010101 12:55, 13 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I think we should put maybe make one page that simply has the "premise" of the episode, (e.g. "Emma wonders who her birth dad",) and then give each section a link to an episode page that has a summary, full recap, quotes, goofs, notes, etc.-- 04:22, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Fans of Dylan (John Bregar)
I love seeing Degrassi. Especially on On Demand. Pride is my favorite episode. Dylan is hot. Not to mention funny, smart, interesting, and just has the best smile ever. Last night I was watching Degrassi and I had a thought, Why not draw Dylan? So I paused Degrassi and went for some paper and a pencil. Came back, started to draw him. He's now hanging in my room on the wall. I know you may say I'm obsessed. But, hey! What can I say. I'm hooked. I mean, look at his gorgeous blue eyes and his sexy body, and his awsome blondish-brown curly hair. That just about completes it. But first, if I had one wish, it'd be that I could meet John Bregar. OH! I have to go. Degrassi is on. See you later. And have fun writing on this page. Thanks. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cute 1 4 u |Always Gotta Keep it Real,  Cute 1 4 u ]] ( Cute 1 4 u |talk]] •  Cute 1 4 u |contribs]]) July 14 2005 (UTC)

Dylan's a pedophile. --Boycottthecaf 08:09, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

'''Did you now Dylan is gay?! Yes he is hot but, he goes out with boys inculding Marco!In one episode he said he can't live without Marco!You need to watch all 100 episodes coming on at August 4, 2006.They're gonna show ALL 100 episodes IN ORDER inculding the a new one.CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!''' --Always Gotta Keep it Real, Cute 1 4 u  04:26, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

So what if Dylan is gay? Why should it matter if he loves Marco?--Dil 04:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't care if he's gay, I was just tell who ever poster the 1st message (under this title) he's still hot.--Always Gotta Keep it Real, Cute 1 4 u  05:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, Below is a image of Dyan and Marco kissing.



--Always Gotta Keep it Real, Cute 1 4 u  05:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, well seeing as you put it in bold letters, it seemed like you where saying "eww he's gay", and it made me kick into gay pride mode.--Dil 05:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

is there a degrassi on demand channel? could someone tell me what channel? [ on comcast, right? ]

Emma Nelson history
"Daughter of Christine "Spike" Nelson (who gave birth to Emma in the first season of the original series)" - what it says on the Wiki page

Spike goes into labour in the last episode ("Pass Tense") of the second season of Degrassi Junior High. In the first episode of the third season ("Can't Live With 'Em 1"), it is revealed that she had a baby girl over the summer.

If I knew how to edit these pages, I'd fix the information in Emma's section to read that she was born between teh second and third seasons of DJH, but I'll just hope that someone sees this and fixes it. :)

No worries! I've made the correction for you! ;) (Amchow78)

dtng
so about Chante Black and Rick as a major character...he deserves main character because he had a major impact on the show for a 'minor character'. And he's had more episodes about him than Hazel. He should be an exception to the Credits rule. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Boycottthecaf" Infinare 01:42, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't kno if i like the idea of Kevin Smith directing the movie. Who said he was such a good director? he's just weird. Clerks was incredibly boring, almost as bad as Jet Li's Hero. Smith is just a fanboy with a slightly recognizable name, so that means he gets to alter the Degrassi universe, guest star in eps, and fulfill his dream of kissing Caitlyn? and now he gets to direct the movie?????? no, nuh-uh. leave it to Phil and the normal crew for writing and directing. He's gonna make it different, not Degrassi-like.Infinare 23:47, 9 October 2005 (UTC)


 * This really isn't the place to talk about how good of a director Smith is. This is th talk page for the Degrassi entry, no a fan forum. As for why Rick should not be int he main charactr catergory, I've adrressed this a couple of times. See up here --Boycottthecaf 20:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Ratings for the show
"In Canada, it is only the second television show to reach over a million viewers (1.1m) on CTV."

Could someone provide a source for that. I remember reading a press release earlier this year where it said that the episode where Jimmy is shot was the highest rated ever and that only had 930,000 viewers. They might have had more viewers after that, but I still think there should be some proof

Actually the highest episode of the series was "Venus" Pt.2 the season 5 opener with Manny. It posted a 1.05 and was the first (maybe only) episode to breach the one million mark.

This episode got 1.05 million viewers for CTV, the highest ratings for the series and the first time it reach the million mark.

http://www.tv.com/degrassi-the-next-generation/venus-2/episode/422587/trivia.html#notes

Lexicon Of Love was also a big ratings grabber.

This episode was watched by 920,000 Canadian viewers on CTV, which grew 16% beyond the seasonal average.

http://www.tv.com/degrassi-the-next-generation/the-lexicon-of-love-1/episode/427267/summary.html?tag=ep_list;title;10

Masturbation?????
What episode dealt with masturbation? I don't remember every hearing about that so if nobody responds here, I am just going to delete it from the list of topics covered.


 * Masturbation is frequently covered in Degrassi. Take the time when JT and Toby both looked up pornography on Toby’s computer, then got caught by Toby’s parents. And then the time when Ashley wouldn’t sleep with Craig because Spinner made riotous masturbation references with party food. Degrassi without masturbation references would be like a Degrassi without pregnant teens. Stop trying to edit everything.


 * I asked a simple question, and all I wanted was a civil answer. I have not watched every single episode, and so I have not seen every reference.  However, I had heard about all of the others.
 * "Stop trying to edit everything?" I believe this is the point of Wikipedia.
 * Please sign your name on the talk pages, like this.--  ( ✒ | ☏ ) 04:31, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of which episode a topic was covered in, what episode was group sex performed in? It was somewhere in the 4th season, wasn't it? Just curious... 139.168.135.47 04:25, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It am pretty sure it was in "Secret", where Emma gives Jay a blow job. I don't know where they talk about group sex; I'll have to watch that episode again.
 * I watched the episode where Toby and JT look at internet porn, and they don't once mention masturbation. Spinner was making sex references, not masturbation references.  I may delete this after all.--   ( ✒ | ☏ ) 05:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

You might have been thinking of the episode where JT had a wet dream about Liberty.IamCool316 17:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Candy Bandits
Who the hell petitioned to delete the Candy Bandit’s article? That was a key link to the Degrassi: Next Generation storyline. Degrassi deals with teen issues, theft of candy and gangs may make you feel uncomfortable but it's damn important.

Bastards.


 * I'm not so sure that the Candy Bandits are of importance to the whole encyclopedia. On the other hand, there are pages about all sorts of obscure crud from shows, so I guess if they can be included, the Candy Bandit's can be too.  --   ( ✒ | ☏ )

Craig Manning
I have created the Craig Manning page. The idea is to create a page in the style of Emma Nelson.

Topics to cover: ( ☏ | ✒ )
 * Intro
 * Season 2
 * Abusive Childhood (I started this but someone needs to clean it up.)
 * Father's death
 * Season 3
 * Relationship with Ashley
 * Cheating on Ashley with Manny
 * Manny's pregnancy
 * Apologizing to Ashley.
 * Season 4
 * Finding Jimmy after he was shot.
 * Hooking up with Ashley again.
 * Being diagnosed with Bipolar disorder
 * Ashley leaving for England/Craig running away.
 * Season 5
 * Breaking up with Ashley
 * Promoting his band
 * Hooking up with Manny again.
 * Leaving for Vancouver

Degrassi
I have created a Degrassi navigational template for the Degrassi universe, the idea being to model it after the templates like B5, MontyPython, Friends, etc. If you know more about dealing with formatting than I do, (I just copied the B5 one,) please help make it nice. ( ☏ | ✒ )

Emma Nelson/Nelson-Simpson?
I could be mistaken, but I can't recall any references to "Emma Nelson-Simpson" in the series. I know that Emma adamantly refuses to be called "Emma Simpson" right after Spike & Snake's marriage (I forgot what episode it occurs in), and I can't remember any point where she relents on that. If anyone could provide an episode where she is called "Emma Nelson-Simpson," I'd appreciate it, or else we should change the title of her character page as well as the other places where she is referred to as Nelson-Simpson. Kevin M Marshall 14:30, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I think you're right. I don't know who decided to put her down as Emma Nelson-Simpson. I think I might move her to Emma Nelson. --  ( ☏ | ✒ )

( ☏ | ✒ )
 * I have moved Emma to Emma-Nelson, which I think is a more accurate spot. Emma Nelson-Simpson now redirects to new page.--

Userbox for fans
I have created a new userbox for fans of this show. You add it by adding User DTNG.

It looks like this:

This is a bit ugly in my opinion, so if you can help spruce it up, that would be nice.-- ( ☏ | ✒ )

What grade is Spinner?
Spinner started out being in the Class of 2006. After he was expelled, he came back in the Class of 2007. He was in Junior English, so does that make him a Junior, or did he just fail that class?-- ( ☏ | ✒ )

What about the degrassi minis?

Character Bios we really need to write
Here is a list of character pages which need to be written:
 * Toby Isaacs
 * J.T. Yorke
 * Jimmy Brooks
 * Terri McGreggor

Cast dates
The dates for cast members being on the show should be open-ended and not XXXX-2006. Including an end date &mdash; even if it's the current year &mdash; indicates that the cast member is no longer on the show as of that date. For folks like Stacey Farber and Jake Epstein, that's okay, because they are leaving the show. But for cast like Pat Mastroianni or Jamie Johnston it's not, as they are still with the show, at least as far as has been publicly stated. If their status changes and they do leave, then we can put 2006 as the end date. Make sense? --Patrick T. Wynne 06:40, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I think we should have the date format be something more like 2001-Presant isntead of 2001- and then have it blank it just seems like something is missing. SirGrant 02:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * First off, do not edit other users' comments.
 * Second, 2001 - Present would be fine if you absolutely must have something there. But 2001 - 2006 would not. I actually prefer listing cast dates by season, but that's just me. I notice other shows handle the same issue in a variety of ways, so it doesn't look like there's a Wikipedia standard.
 * --Patrick T. Wynne 16:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)


 * ok sorry about editing that it was an accident I musta been looking at your previous edit since you had two and overwritten them, sorry my mistake, secondly I do agree with you that we should probably list them by season that makes a lot more sense to me SirGrant 23:24, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Whats his name?
Danny Van Zants new friend, the adopted one?

I wanna know what Tim real name is.

His name`s Derek74.242.165.126 16:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

group sex?
I never remembered hearing about a scene with group sex? Could someone clear this up for me? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.12.116.132 (talk • contribs).


 * I heard it might have only been shown on the canadian version, The-N censors the american versions so could someone please confirm? SirGrant 18:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Rumors section
I removed the rumors section because it wasn't sourced, and Wikipedia forbids original research --  Max  Talk [ (add)] 04:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Angela Jeremiah
What season did Angela make her first appearance. I'm sure it was Season 2 when Craig made his first appearance, and Joey became a more prominent part of the show, but here it says Season 1, where Joey was not featured except for the pilot, but I don't think she was featured there?


 * yeah I just looked it up, you are right. The first time they appear is the episode when doves cry and that is season two.  The only case they might have appeared in season one is craig walking around in the hall in the background but he never did anything till the first episode of season two SirGrant 15:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * when did craig appear in season one? 68.42.102.234 19:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * angela appeared in the pilot with Joey at the car lot when he was selling to Lucy Infinare 19:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I guess you are right, but wasn't that just a cameo or something, she did not figure prominently as such. perhaps it should be attributed as such? Just wondering.

New characters
I have read the identity of the actors who play some of the new characters this fall, (Mia for example) on certain Degrassi websites. Is it all right to add them in.
 * I removed the adition, if you can link up the site where you read it so you cite your source yeah it's cool if you cite them just post it on here. --SirGrant 00:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Here is the link it's close to the top of the page. I have seen other pictures of the actors along with other Degrassiites. Anyhow

http://www.degrassi-high.com/category/season-six-updates/

Couple names
This seems unimportant/encyclopedic to me. I don't actually see the importance of including it in the article because I don't believe it really adds anything to the article at all just some fad that some fan sites have. I mean in the future it's not gonna be verifyable or at all notable in my eyes. What do you guys think. SirGrant 23:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed 100%. Not only is it extremely unencyclopedic, but the list is getting insanely long. Why? Because any combination can created with any character, it doesn't matter whether there was ever a relationship before or not. I think it should be removed on the basis above and the fact that it's 100% fan-based and 0% show-based; you don't hear characters saying "Semma" on the show. --pIrish 00:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Couple's Names, Status of Virginity, Upcoming Series 6 spoilers
I agree with the poster above. I see that in the past few days, that someone is posting spoilers about the new theme song and season, as well as someone has now included a list of which characters are virgins or not, with graphic details. I think this part is totally not encyclopedic and some of the spoiler stuff is totally personal views. I am suggesting that we delete those sections. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.52.15.19 (talk • contribs).
 * To be blunt, this information deserves a home on a fansite, not wikipedia. I deleted the virgins section, the couple nicknames section, and the relationship section. I would have kept the relationship section up if the page it linked to was a well-built article, but it's still missing several seasons and does not include enough detail and its role in the storyline to keep. --pIrish 19:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Fan's of Tim (Alex House)
Question for the Boy of Rain. Is Tim coming because if not I'm gonna cry. Le Raine

Season 6 info gone?
All of the upcoming season 6 info is gone. I am restoring most of it, including the link for the upcoming intro since I did not see a reason why it needs to be deleted. BenDee 19:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Due you think we should edit the cast list for Season 6?
Here is the order


 * Miram McDonald
 * Cassie Steele
 * Daniel Clark
 * Stacey Farber
 * Lauren Collins
 * Aubrey Graham
 * Shane Kippel
 * Shenae Grimes
 * Mike Lobel
 * Deanna Casaluce
 * Stefan Brogren
 * Amanda Stepto
 * Ryan Cooley
 * Sarah Barrable Tishauer
 * Jaime Johnston
 * Melissa DiMarco
 * Adamo Ruggiero

adding regulars not in the credits??
I just noticed that Nina Dobrev and Steve Belford are profiled in the new CTV website for the show:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/show/CTVShows/20051004/Degrassi-castbio-young/20061031/

Is it all right to move these two to cast regulars not in the credits? I'm just curious. u forgot mia jones and her baby —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.79.130 (talk) 02:57, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, whoever is messing with the character articles, needs to stop
Whoever is doing that needs to stop. They are making articles for characters that shouldn't have one, like Mia. And they are putting links with other names like Jesse and Derek, that lead to articles that have nothing to do with the show. But they should NOT make the an article. User:Brainboy109|Brainboy109]] November 26th 2006, 1:14 (UTC)

degrassi
Degrassi is one of my favorite shows.Degrssi Rocks!Its the most realistic show of all times.It should be played 10 hours a day everyday.I love this show.My favorite characters are Craige,Ashly,Manny,Emma,and Sean. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.68.248.202 (talk) 03:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

Yes thats nice, but who really cares? Were here to talk about the article, and this is not a forum.

Chuck Cunningham Syndrome
The Chuck Cunningham syndrome section is written really bad. Could somebody please perform some major cleanup on this section. HorseApples 06:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I tried to do some major cleanup, but I don't think the CCS deserves it's own section. The entire section should be moved to the trivia or character section imho. Mobylon 14:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Infobox
I have removed: "The fictional character infobox template that should be used on all DTNG character articles can be accessed here." from the article, it should be here on the talk page, not in the article itself. --Squeak 23:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Degrassi Community school
Asian american? African American? They aren't asian american, or african american. they are asian, or African(though when they wrote african american they most likely meant black), so should we just drop the american parts, because they aren't unless stated as americans.

RIII 04:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

What's the deal with the new "Degrassi Community School" section? It doesn't really add something, and is imo completely unnecessesary. It should be deleted. Mobylon 14:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There's a lot of information on the school. It could really turn out to be informative and add more to the Degrassi articles. It's just in its infacy and if more work is provided to channel the information, then it could turn out pretty well and a good resource. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.229.220.235 (talk) 03:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

Split
The article should be split into two separate pages. Main characters and minor.


 * The article is on Degrassi: The Next Generation, there is no page for just characters - which is quite sensible as it would be quite foolhardy to have a page on DTNG without mentioning any characters. There is no need to "split the article into two separate pages" - there need only be one page for this one television series. Tinkstar1985 08:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Censorship
This section needs a clean up. Particularly: "Another very minor example is a public service announcement by Aubrey Graham and Ephraim Ellis at the end of "Time Stands Still" against gun violence, which is cut out entirely in the United States. (This public service announcement was shown on in the U.S. on The N network. It featured Aubrey Graham only.)"

I found this section hard to understand, particularly the "was shown on in the U.S." - was it shown only in the US?, or just shown in the US on The N? Was the episode shown? Or was the episode not shown, even though the service anouncement was (minus Ephraim Ellis)? Tinkstar1985 09:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Someone has deleted the edits that were (presumably) made by the N/Nogging in the US. Since I don't live in the US, I don't know which edits have taken place, and which not. Could someone "repair" the censorship section with correct info please? Mobylon 11:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I deleted those, as most were incorrect. I think the original poster's mother had turned on their V-chip.  I've been watching since Kids of Degrassi Street, both the syndicated shows on PBS and now Noggin, and the CBC and CTV first run episodes on sattelite.  Noggin just did not censor the bulk of the items in that section.  Esp. anything after Manny's knock-up in season 3, the network took alot of heat for censoring that in the U.S. and they have not censored anything after that episode.  Cheers. L0b0t 15:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * We should keep the Censorship section and perhaps even make a separate article if there's more information. However, only VERIFIABLE information should be added. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xallium (talk • contribs) 16:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

I agree wholeheartedly, censoring Manny's abortion was a big deal and is still in the article. Some of the other items weren't really censorship (such as blurring brand names), and some were patent nonsense (the blood on J.T. York's shirt) so I removed those. DTNG has gotten a decent amount of press and there is at least 1 book about the show, so there is no excuse for any unsourced additions to this article. Cheers. L0b0t 19:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I know some edits may seem unimportant or minor but should might as well be included if a reliable source is cited. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xallium (talk • contribs) 01:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

Daniel Clark
Does daniel clarks departure during season 4 and 5 need its own section? Seems unnecessary to me. Mobylon 22:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Fiction noticeboard
A new noticeboard, Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


 * This noticeboard has been deleted per Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard. Please disregard the above post. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:22, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Critical Response
The second paragraph in Critical Response needs a citation. All it says is that this reaction was found in "one article." Which article was that?

Ryan Cooley
Ryan cooley was NOT the first death, Rick was.

[ excuse me, no, Craigs dad. ]

thanks for editing. =]

fix airdates
some on needs to fix the airdates of the episodes.

Section 7 Unreferenced template
I am highly adverse to the addition of speculation regarding the upcoming season to Degrassi articles. As a Wikipedia user, it presents a myriad of problems.


 * 1)Speculation is unverifiable
 * 2)Even if it is verifiable, it can change in a single day.

If you can show verification and citation of sources, thats great. Otherwise, speculation regarding season seven needs to be deleted. I would help, but unfortunately research is not my forte.

--Amaraiel 04:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Ryan Cooley in the credits
I put Ryan Cooley's name back in the "Starring in Current credit's order" section as even though J.T. was killed midway through the season, The producers did not remove or replace Cooley from from the  opening credits. Since the heading says "In current credits order" and we still have not seen the credits for Season 7 yet, I suggest we leave him in "Starring" as well as "formerly starring" until we see the opening credits for Season 7 in October.
 * Agreed. But please next time reply on my talk page. --Amaraiel 18:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

just thought i should change some images
i've been sick all day so i thought that i should change some character images

hope you like em! Dewy17 01:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC)Dewy17

Country of origin
Is there a particular reason why the US is listed as a country of origin in the infobox? I don't see a reason for it unless you count it being on The N; otherwise, the show seems almost 100% Canadian to me. -→Buchanan-Hermit™ / ?! 09:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The show originated from Canada, is filmed in Canada, still airs in Canada, consist of mostly Canadian born actors and crew (those who weren't born are still citizens of Canada). Other than the fact that the new episodes are airing on The N first, I agree, that it is 100% Canadian. If it hasn't been changed yet, it should.-- theblueflamingo Squawk 23:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Syndication in the US
This section really needs to be cleaned up. It's very hard to read or follow. Young Web ProgrammerMsg me 12:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Good Article Nomination
Hello, I will be reviewing Degrassi: The Next Generation as a good article candidate. Just give me a few days as I'm making some notes and putting together a review. Thanks! Redfarmer (talk) 02:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Good Article Review
Well, it didn't quite take me as long to do your review as I thought, mainly because I didn't go to sleep like I planned. It was a nice read, too.

Verifiability
I'm impressed by the number of references. I did find a few occasions, however, where I was a bit concerned about statements having no sources and have tagged them accordingly.

Style
Good style overall. I corrected a couple of minor issues I saw. The only big thing I saw is remember to put in italics the names of television series. In some cases, I note that the name 'Degrassi', when it stands alone, is not in italics. It should be each time as it is the name of a franchise of TV series. See WP:MOSTITLE.
 * Addressed in section below - As with Star Trek, the franchise is not italicised, but the series within it are. Anyway, to clarify, I've asked over at Wikipedia_talk:Manual of Style (titles) their opinion on the subject.

NPOV Issues
Overall, the tone of the article is neutral. I've noted a few places with tags where I have a concern about the article being neutral.

Readability
My biggest concerns are with three sections and their readability. The Main and Recurring Characters section seems like a jumble of information that will overwhelm the casual reader as it is mostly a list of names, one after another. My best thought is a table could solve this, perhaps grouped by the season each cast member joined the show. Also, there's a lot of information in this section about why cast members left that was unsourced and I tagged. Perhaps much of this can be eliminated and added, with sources, to information on character and/or actor articles.
 * Hmmm... The ensemble show Lost, which is a FA, presents its character section in a similar fashion. I'm not so sure what the best thing to do about this is... I did remove the uncited info for which I couldn't find sources for.

Also, perhaps, for simplicity, the article could condense the information from the sections 'Degrassi Junior High and Degrassi High guest roles' and 'Jason Mewes, Alanis Morissette, and Kevin Smith' into one section on guest appearances. It did not seem like Mewes, Morissette, and Smith warranted their own section since they only appeared in one major arc.
 * ✅ -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 03:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The 'First Run Episodes' section is extremely confusing. Perhaps you could replace this with a table that simply listed, season for season, when the show aired in Canada and the United States and the dates it aired.

Another commenter above stated that the 'Syndicated repeats in the United States' section is confusing and I'm inclined to agree with them. There are a lot of numbers there and that tends, in my experience, to detract from readability. This section needs a major rewrite. I don't see that the article would need to list the times episodes air on each station. Perhaps just state which stations air episodes and simply that they don't all air at the same time. Thinking about it, I'm not even convinced you actually need the names of the stations that air it in there at all.
 * ✅ -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 06:17, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

The 'DVD Releases' section can be condensed into a table to make it easier to read. For a good example of this, see Smallville (TV series).

Production section
Two things I noticed that seemed to be glaring ommisions:

*The article doesn't have much criticism in it at all. It mostly seems to give praise to the show. I must confess, I'm a closeted Degrassi fan and I seem to remember there's been quite a bit of criticism of the show for being too racy. Wasn't there an episode where Manny got an abortion that originally did not air in the United States because censors considered it too controversial? Perhaps this could start you on such a section. ✅ I couldn't find anything other than what's already there. The original 11 child actors were picked from 600 auditionees. I don't actually have the DVDs to access any extra information (the wife would kick me out if I "wasted money on that garbage"!). Perhaps someone who does have them and reads this talk page will be able to provide more details. -- Matthew | talk | Contribs 06:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There's not much here about how the actors were originally cast. Yes, they used child actors, but how did they pick who they picked?

Overall
The article is well on its way to becoming a Good Article, but for now I feel like there's just too many small issues that need to be addressed before this article can pass. I'm going to fail it for now, as it doesn't seem they could be addressed in seven days if I were to put it on hold. I would encourage you to resubmit the show after the issues above have been addressed. Redfarmer (talk) 03:06, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Degrassi: The Next Generation

 * 1) The italics-I've seen Degrassi alone italicized like this in other media, that's why I said this.
 * 2) The cast section is indeed extremely confusing. Think about it like a person who has never seen Degrassi before. As I said, I'm a closet Degrassi fan, so I understood it to some degree. Even I had to read it several times to get the full gist of it, though. The section basically throws a bunch of names and seasons at the reader all at once. It's information overload. I had a similar problem with an article I got up to GA status, Last of the Summer Wine, a show which also has a large cast and used a table to describe the decade in this case that each non-main cast member joined the series. Whether you use a table or not is up to you. However, it is bad form to simply have seven different paragraphs with a group of names in each paragraph.
 * 3) For the first run broadcast table suggestion, see Smallville (TV series).
 * 4) You're probably right about the syndication information. It could probably be combined with something else. With the stations, it could become overwhelming as you're inviting everyone in the US with a station that airs reruns to add their station to the list. (I know that my local station back in the states that airs reruns is not on the list.)
 * 5) Just a suggestion, for some tidbits on casting, check the DVD special features for the first couple seasons. I remember it having something on casting.

Hope this helps. Cheers! Redfarmer (talk) 09:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Alignment
The infobox in this article needs fixed. The alignment is broken in Firefox 2.0.0.11. I'm not real sure what's the cause, and I don't want to break anything else.

Young Web ProgrammerMsg me 03:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... Looks fine in IE7 and IE for Pocket PC. I don't have any other browsers to check it against, though. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 04:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks fine in FireFox to me. There was a recent edit in the TV Infobox template earlier messing something up, but its been reversed so maybe that is what it was. AnmaFinotera (talk) 04:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Fixed: Yeah, you're right. It's been fixed now. Young Web ProgrammerMsg me 11:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

2nd GA Nomination

 * GA review (see here for criteria)

As per above, since the minor issues have been dealt with, I am now passing this article and promoting it to GA. -MBK004 23:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * -MBK004 10:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * -MBK004 10:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * -MBK004 10:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

The cast list in the infobox
The cast list is getting rather long (over 20 names), and is making the infobox quite large. Over at Lost (TV series) (where the cast list is around 13) and other ensemble shows, the consensus among editors was to not include the list. What are the opinions of people here? Are there any objections to the list being removed?

Secondly, there's a point raised in the GA review that I'd like to address here: The folks over at WikiProject Star Trek decided not to itallicised the words "Star Trek" when referring to the franchise, and only when referring to the films and series. I'd suggest we do the same thing here. Use "Degrassi" UN-itallicised when referring to the franchise (and school, if not using the full name "Degrassi Community School"). With regards to The N's continued insistence to call D:TNG "Degrassi", other than the lead sentence in this article, it shouldn't be used anywhere else, as "Degrassi: The Next Generation", "DTNG" or "D:TNG" can all be used instead. Comments? -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 02:05, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * No objections. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve] 02:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Agreed on the name and italics. Is the cast list in the infobox only those in the opening credits of the current season?  If not, let's try cutting it down to that before removing all together.  If so, then agree with removal, maybe with a note to see list? AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's the cast list for season 7. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 04:13, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * But is it just the ones from the opening credits (which are general the ones to go in the infobox, not the entire cast list)? AnmaFinotera (talk) 04:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry - With the exception of Melissa McIntyre, they all appear in the current opening credits. -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 05:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...then yeah, probably best to just not have a list in the info box per the precedent of the others. AnmaFinotera (talk) 05:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Just 7 Seasons?
I know that there are more seasons of Degrassi coming. So if there's just Number of seasons:7, that's fine, but I also think there should be a (Season 8 coming soon) next to that. The series isn't discontinued, so I believe we should make that clear. 12.210.168.207 (talk) 15:06, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Alanis Morissette
Maybe I'm missing something here, not having seen the episode in question, but how can Alanis Morissette have guest-starred "as herself, playing a school principal"? Either she guest-starred as herself, or she guest-starred as a school principal. Binabik80 (talk) 06:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * She played herself, acting as the school principal in Kevin Smith's movie. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)