Talk:Delta Air Lines/Archive 2

Delta Focus Cities
There are four focus cities that should be added to the list.

Fort Lauderdale – Hollywood International Airport

Boston-Logan International Airport

Hartford-Bradley International Airport

Tampa International Airport

All of these airport serve more then 12 Delta Destinations, Hartford and Boston both Contain nonstop Cancun flights, Boston has a Nonstop AMS flight, and Hartford is soon getting a nonstop LHR flight, pending government approval.

These should be added to a focus cities list. Tofutwitch11 (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * It's very simple. Delta Air Lines, Inc does not have focus cities. So there are no focus cities. Golfj21 (talk) 20:33, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This has been discussed MANY, MANY, times on the talk page. Delta does not have focus cities. Delta have reduced a lot of flights out of these airports and the majority of the flights from those airports are to its hubs. Snoozlepet (talk) 19:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * You'd have to call Los Angeles International Airport a focus city before these but even LAX isn't considered a focus city or hub.redlegsfan21 (talk) 23:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delta calls LAX an "International Gateway"; It was a focus city/secondary hub in the past but the focus city/secondary hub operation were reduced in 2008. Snoozlepet (talk) 05:06, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Delta's new international destinations
One user has been inserting the following intl destinations to the article beginning Summer 2007: I went and entered the destination into the airline's online schedule and the flight does exist. Should these be reverted until a final confirmation from the airline or should they remain? Bucs2004 04:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Atlanta-Seoul
 * Atlanta-Prague
 * Atlanta-Dubai
 * Atlanta-Vienna
 * New York (JFK)-Pisa
 * Also adding to the list of intl destinations for 07 is the JFK-Bucuresti. Basketball110  My story/Tell me yours 17:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Delta Crown Room Club Locations
We have discussed this before and we came to the decision to merge such pages into the actual airline page. Having the locations listed gives the reader a little insight as to where these Crown Clubs are located, which I believe is enough information to keep it on this page.--Golich17 21:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't be there at all. The agreement was to merge the page in and not have a separate article on a non-notable service of a company. A list of locations is just a directory and is easily accessible via the external link provided. DB (talk) 02:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with DB - I don't think we should have a list of locations either. --Matt 02:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm all for keeping an external link that goes directly to the list of locations (not just the airline homepage), however. DB (talk) 02:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, should have been clearer, I agree with that too --Matt 17:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

The article states that crown rooms memberships are no longer given for free to gold and platinum medallions as of 2007. Golds were never given free crown room memberships to my knowledge. Only Platinum Medallions had free crown room memberships up to 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.143.124.218 (talk) 03:49, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Columbus considered to be a focus city for Delta?
I don't believe that Columbus is a focus city for Delta Air Lines. I mean there are a lot bigger operations for Delta in Hartford, Tampa, and Fort Lauderdale than in Columbus. I mean they only have four mainline destinations and none of them are international. The rest is just commuter flights and most of them are to hubs and other focus cities. Spongefan 19:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It was in fact a real focus city. Just go to the Port Columbus website and search for the press release. Grinstein named it one in his turn around plan and they had about 15 cities at one point. Of course this is part of the past now. QualityControl3533 (talk) 06:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Chennai
Does Delta still operate flights to Chennai? User:Mahesh094‎ keeps adding it to the Chennai International Airport destinations list operating to Paris and New York. If so, please readd on the respective pages. Could not find anything to back this up. Bucs2004 05:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No Delta is no longer flying this route. Maranomerau (talk) 17:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought. Audude08 (talk) 03:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Delta pilot
Does anyone know how to become Delta Air Lines pilot? Please give me ANYTHING (!) you know, even if it´s not a lot. Dagadt 16:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * First, this type of question is not appropriate for article talk pages; talk pages are for discussing improvements to the article. That being said, it is my understanding that the mainline Delta (not Delta Connection, ASA, etc) pilot ranks are heavily skewed toward former military pilots. AU Tiger  » talk 04:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * A Delta four-striper on a flight in March, 2008, made it a point to say that over 80% of Delta (I assume mainline) pilots were "military-trained". -- Terry J. Gardner (talk) 20:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Passenger Configurations
When exactly are the "Old Configurations" on Delta aircraft going to be phased out. Not only will it make the table shorter and a little easier to read, it will make me want to travel Delta just a bit more. If someone has any information, please help! This way, we can remove the old config numbers when necessary.--Golich17 (talk) 03:06, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, there is no set date. However, they are being converted gradually. I think the ex-TWA ETOPS 757s should be done by the summer, though. For the 737-800s, I heard about half of them now feature the new configuration.  Currently, only four of the domestic 767-300s feature the new configuration.  The domestic 767-300s that currently have new configration are ships 121, 131, 133, and 139.  I don't know about the international 767-300ERs, though.   ANDROS1337   22:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I figured the ex-TWA's were going to be done near the middle of this year. As for the 737-800's, let's hope that they will be done around the 3Q 2009.  The 767-300's probably won't be done for a while, as I don't think they are really making them a priority on the cabin refurb. list.--Golich17 (talk) 23:22, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Flight numbers running out
Can someone discuss that flights 1 to 9999 would not be enough to accommodate a combined DL-NW? A large carrier must move to five digit flight numbers? Please discuss this problem! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.183.51 (talk) 05:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC) While an interesting problem, this is probably a better discussion for airliners.net or flyertalk. Wikipedia is not a forum and not a crystal ball. Cheers --Matt (talk) 18:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have never heard of a five number flight number. Keep in mind many routes will be cut due to overlap, eliminating those numbers.  Also, many flight numbers are not used as it is, so more usage would go into effect.  Codeshare agreements may be cut and/or added, allowing more flexibility in codeshare flight numbers.  So there are many factors that go into this.  For example, certain flights have had their same flight number for a great amount of years, so i'd assume those flights would retain their numbers, at least the more notable ones.--Golich17 (talk) 02:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This be an interesting problem. With between 7,000 and 8,000 flights, the Goliath carrier would easily run out of flight numbers, unless they added alpha numerics (e.g. Delta flight 123A, 987B, etc.).  Another solution is to fly point-2-point in order to conserve flight numbers (e.g. DL-234 = CVG-MSP-SEA-LAX, with change of aircraft)--Inetpup (talk) 08:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * False, I'm not looking for a crystal ball. I'm looking for a citation that states that a merged carrier would have to retain both operating certificates in order to conserve flight numbers.  It's a reasonable assumption because neither carrier will abandon alliances for the mere purposes of conserving flight numbers!  --Inetpup (talk) 09:21, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Then you should have asked for that ;) --Matt (talk) 14:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

March 19 incident
There was a fire on a Delta aircraft on the 19 March, details here. Not useable as a source in itself, but links to useable sources. Mjroots (talk) 19:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Press coverage of 2008 Delta safety video
I notice that the press has noticed the 2008 Delta safety video on Youtube

User:Mlaroche says that mentioning the press coverage of the video and the main flight attendant in it would be recentism while I feel that it should be notable and durable enough to mention in the article. Any thoughts? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:10, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

NWA Merger
I'm not going to change the article but NWA and Delta are now in the merger process. http://newglobalairline.com/ gives the info.--Goldwing 5000 (talk) 01:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed it had been put in the article but i'll leave the website theree for referencing. --Goldwing 5000 (talk) 01:19, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I noticed that someone dumped the entire NWA article into this one in an apparent attempt to reflect the merger. Rightfully, this was reverted. The NWA article should remain as it is, becoming a defunct airline page when and if the merger is completed. Both pages will cover the merger up to the point it is completed, and then this page will continue to cover the expanded Delta. As of now, it looks like the merged airline will continue to use the name Delta Air Lines. If, however, another name is chosen such as "Delta-Northwest", or some variation on that, or even something else, then I would recomend starting a new article for the combined airline. At this point, that doesn't seem likely, as Delta has absorbed other airlines before. like Western, without changing or modifying its name. - BillCJ (talk) 07:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The combined airline will be called Delta Air Lines according to the merger letter from NWA and Delta, and many news websites. And no...they will NOT close any hubs. Delta said that they will maintain all hubs for both airlines. The airline will remain headquartered in Atlanta with Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport as its main hub operations. Will the combined airline change its livery or will it keep the current Delta livery? 74.183.173.237 (talk) 19:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

SkyTeam
Alaska is no longer a member of SkyTeam, correct? -- Terry J. Gardner (talk) 20:05, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Alaska has never been a part of any alliance. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:37, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I do believe Alaska has great potential in the SkyTeam, they've never been aligned with any alliance. Anyways, alliances have only been around since the late 90's.--Golich17 (talk) 01:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Delta's new Airbus equipment
With the recent merger with NWA they're now gonna have a bunch of Airbus aircraft in their fleet, I also read NWA have more Airbus orders on their way, how does this affect the agreement with Boeing?201.170.44.221 (talk) 05:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC) Klesko
 * Let's just say that agreement has become somewhat imaginary at this point. With the current economic situation, airlines can care less about keeping promises, but rather making decisions that will benefit them.--Golich17 (talk) 01:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Legal agreements are hardly mere "promises", so I'd say it depends on the terms of the agreements themselves. Since NWA will for most purposes cease to exist, then that contract is probably void. Or there may be a "buyout clause" or such in either agreement that Delta can exercise. There should be an answer somewhere by now as to what Delta is ordering for future deliveries. - BilCat (talk) 21:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

DL Focus Cities
I have added LAX, BOS and MCO as DL focus cities since the NW/DL offical merger website fact sheet lists them as DL focus cities. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 19:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The LAX times and USAToday if you peform a Google search says in articles published since the merger sites last update cite the ending of the attempt to build up LAX and the pull back of MCO. Boston cuts have also been in the news recently. The same list that was put on the merger website in March has been removed from Delta.com as of July and the site now only lists its hubs. Also, the reason that you've been having hub and focus city issues lately is because you guys had allowed dated information, cities that in your in oppinion should be there but contradicted company literatue, operations that never materialized, and hubs and focus cities for airlines that have none to be put on the list. This is an encyclopedia and if you can't research accurate information from the companies that your creating articles for and cite then I'm gonna help you because this should'nt be speculative, it should be FACT. QualityControl3533 (talk) 01:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, isn't it according to the information I read regarding the expert tag the responsibility of the project team to find an expert??? Why doesn't anybody do this??? QualityControl3533 (talk) 01:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

General Comments
I've reviewed the entire article for accuracy and all looks okay. I'm glad that the blurb about Sofia, Bulgaria was removed as well (not sure where that came from).

A couple notes: 1. History section - This section of the page is the largest in the article. I have suggested it be split into a separate page. 2. In-flight Entertainment - This section, while thorough, is sacrificing quality over quantity. It needs to be simplified. Perhaps a table view would be more appropriate outlining each fleet type and subtype and the IFE products available.

Regards, Christopher Weyer Delta FlightOps Delta Air Lines Flight Operations (talk) 10:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks!! QualityControl3533 (talk) 17:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The IFE section probably should be taken out, since it doesn't sound notable. Basketball110  My story/Tell me yours 17:40, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Why don't we take his advice and do a table rather than removing it. I don't personally know how but I'm sure someone around here does and would. QualityControl3533 (talk) 19:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe that we should not implement it into the table, but rather place it in the cabin section similar to the Northwest Airlines cabin section. It is simple, and down to the point.  This way it won't take up table space.  To me, the table looks very "busy" now and when the merger happens, this will make it very hard to implement the two tables.--Golich17 (talk) 23:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I take what I said back. After a few modifications and clean-ups to the table, I think it looks pretty good now.  It puts everything "in a nutshell" so to say!--Golich17 (talk) 18:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

777-200LR Seating Configuration
Was Delta going to convert the first two B777-200LR's to the configuration with two more seats in BusinessElite or were they just going to keep it the way it is? I mean, for commonality reasons, I would assume they would simply add two more seats in BusinessElite to ships 7101 & 7102.--Golich17 (talk) 18:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Delta will convert the first two 777-200LRs to the new configuration. However, these 777s are busy on their flights and until 7103 enters service, Delta can't simply pull them out and install 2 new seats in BusinessElite.Starcity ai (talk) 07:59, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

DL Focus Cities
The old Focus Cities are still listed under the new Former Focus Cities section. If the Delta expert who has been contacted says any are still in tact they will promptly return to the infobox. Typically once Delta.com stops listing a focus city such as with TPA, CMH, & FLL, that means they are no longer such for the carrier. There is no "official announcement" with Delta and never has been for FC cuts. That should be enough in itself but I am willing to get them to personally double check for you guys. The expert who will be checking it is cweyer AKA Delta Flight Operations, who has been on this very talk page before just two topics above this one. So see I am being very pragmatic and in good faith about all of this so PLEASE allow me the benefit of the doubt and be patient. Also the new Former hub addition is completely legit and I don't know why you keep taking everything out with the wash like that. I would appreciate it if you all would not be quite so cut throat every time somebody tries to make any revisions at all. You could stand to be A LOT friendlier in my oppinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.52.36.127 (talk) 23:16, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Since you keep deleting this from your talk page and the other editor does from his as well...74.183.173.237.....The rationale was put on your talk page and you deleted it twice per your discussion with the other editor of this page. Blanking the case from your talk page, ignoring the Delta talk page, and trying to conjure up doubt with everybody about what is going on doesn't help anyone. I also want to add for our friend Neo that your comment above about Jan. 08 to Dec. 08 in the VERY NEXT SENTENCE says that it doesn't include the cuts made after March of this year thus rendering it OUT OF DATE. Also, Delta shares its terminal LGA and half of one at LAX and its flights and cities and not gates that determines a focus city. AA still has at least 10 gates in Nashville but it has no title. You can't delete this from the article talk page so now that is on the record. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.5.66.240 (talk) 05:04, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason I have deleted your message from my talk page is because the message was directed at 74.183.173.237. If you have a fight with another editor, the place to discuss it is on their talk page, not the talk page of every user they have ever had contact with. And how does AA fit into your mess? Unless you have something constructive to post on my talk page, stay off it, or I will report you. Keep to the topic. Neo16287 (talk) 13:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * My point with the AA gates is that just because an airline has alot of gates at an airport doesn't mean that they have a focus city there which was a response to the IP addresses post on YOUR PAGE which said that was the case as well as the date controversy. I wanted to show him he was wrong and you that he was only giving you half the facts. No more, no less. 96.5.66.240 (talk) 16:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, there are better places to post such arguments. Neo16287 (talk) 03:55, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If I have something to say to you or a fact in a debate to show you, I'll post that on your talk page. I think you and 74.183.173.237 are just trying to do whatever you can to disparage other editors, eg on arguments, and alter debates in such a way that articles you're working on turn out the way that you want them to be whether they're correct or not. Fortunately this time so far you've not been successful with people allowing the article be updated, the facts to stay on this talk page, and not contributing the pettiness that you and your friend have tried to perpetuate.
 * Okay, now that is a personal attack, and I am reporting it. Neo16287 (talk) 04:52, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * All that will be seen is that you attempted to hide my part of the Focus City debate, make me look as if I am breaking the rules, and my comments making it abundantly clear to both you that I meant no fowl at any point in these discussions. All I've done is question that I can't respond to you and the IP address on your talk pages when you are not looking at all the facts regarding an edit to an article and bring up the fact that I should have the right to do so just as much as either of you. I've made no threats, used no fowl language, and committed no vandalism. And to settle the focus city issue for everyone else since the DL guy hasn't responed yet, here is the new Network Fact sheet: http://news.delta.com/images//delta_network_general_0908.pdf, and it no longer shows focus cities, just hubs. Unless Mr. Weyer eventually says otherwise which would be fine I think that this settles our debate and closes the issue for now. Thanks to everyone else who has been so patient during this and I hope I've left everything in such a way that is acceptable to you all and if that's not the case I sincerely apologize. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.52.36.127 (talk) 05:02, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * THis editor is a redneck and he thinks he can make it all better by saying hes sorry... —Preceding unsigned comment added by RSW-red sox win (talk • contribs) 05:06, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * THAT is a personal attack. And feel free to cite anything that looks redneck but last time I checked that's farthest thing from the truth when it comes to me. Now we have a report. 68.52.36.127 (talk) 05:10, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I just want to say I never tried to hide your debate. And while I did not like your tone above, I accept the offered citation. And 74 is not my friend, and I do not appreciate your saying that. Good day sir. Neo16287 (talk) 05:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologize. I had grouped you since you both had responded to me and talked to each other. I shouldn't have used the term friend as that isn't what I really meant. I'm glad that we were able to resolve this issue as it pertains to the article. Hope there are no hard feelings. 68.52.36.127 (talk) 05:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * None from me! Take care! Neo16287 (talk) 12:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, LGA is not an DL hub. So I am not gonna worry about it. I am officially through with the LGA hub problem. Ill let someone else worry about it. Thank you and Good night! Cashier freak (talk) 05:07, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Article Lock?
We had resolved this dispute and more people were settled on the resolution and working to clean it up than warring at this point. Why lock the page in the midst of the article clean up following a resolution of the dispute? There was one person who raised a concern today and it was immediately addressed and their requested citation was added without them expressing any further concerns. 96.5.66.240 (talk) 04:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, edit warring occurred several times in the last 48 hours by, , and . And the article is not "locked". The article has been temporarily semi-protected per Wikipedia's Protection Policy, which states "administrators may apply temporary semi-protection on pages that are... [s]ubject to significant but temporary vandalism or disruption — for example, due to media attention — when blocking individual users is not a feasible option." Said semi-protection applied due to a valid request at Requests for page protection and will automatically expire in two weeks. — Satori Son 13:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Someone reverted in the last 48 hours because of a concern with there not being a source which is vandalism and asked one be provided if that change were to be made again and that request was fulfilled eliminating the vandalism. Also, no protection request exists for this article on the page that you cite. 96.5.66.240 (talk) 14:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Request. And a good tutorial on page histories can be found here. — Satori Son 15:16, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

frequent flyer miles
I have never used frequent flyer miles;however I have 26,000 miles recorded. Do I have enough miles to fly on frequent flyer miles alone.--65.101.23.251 (talk) 21:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a forum - you'll probably have better luck at www.flyertalk.com. Cheers --Matt (talk) 21:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Hubs/Focus Cities
What Happened? LGA is now a hub and DL has no focus cities according to the infobox. 68.38.85.192 (talk) 11:20, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * See the DL Focus Cities arguments above this thread.--Golich17 (talk) 14:48, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

LGA has never been a hub. Removed. Cashier freak (talk) 04:36, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Delta and Northwest
Delta and Northwest are still operating as separate carriers. Until they start integrating operations, don't add Northwest details (hubs, fleet, destinations, etc) to this article. -- Hawaiian717 (talk) 03:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, me and many other editors have removed all NWA info from this article. Cashier freak (talk) 04:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I completely agree. We will add information gradually as it becomes applicable, which won't be (in some cases) until 2 years from now!--Golich17 (talk) 19:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have removed the SEA-PEK and DTW-PVG routes mentioned the "Future Destinations" section added by an IP. Those routes will be flown by NWA and not the combine airline. The airline will not combine by the time NWA begins those routes. Cashier freak (talk) 02:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Now that they are co-branded, even though operating technically as separate entities, doesn't it make sense to combine their articles? NWA is now no different than any of the DL regional carriers, operating as a Delta carrier.  Airport_master (talk) 16:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Fleet Projects
The Delta fleet section needs work. There is no logical flow to any of it. That being said, the following projects are underway:

1. The remaining seven domestic 767-400ERs are to be converted international configuration (designated as 76D, seating capacity of 40J/206Y). The aircraft will feature lie-flat BusinessElite seats as stated currently. Approximate in-service date is 04/2009. 2. Four new CRJ-900s slated for delivery to Skywest at the end of 2008 will arrive in 12F/64Y configuration, up from the current 9F/67Y configuration. All flights will be revenue-managed at 9F/67Y until the reconfiguration is complete on the remaining 17 aircraft (approx. May 2008); this probably belongs on the Skywest page though. 3. Lie-flat seats on the 777-200ERs have been delayed until 2010. Economy class capacity is to be increased, however: +3 seats to 221. Final configuration will be 50J/221Y. In-service date is 02/2009. 4. Six 757-232s will receive winglets (the first aircraft has already been fitted and is back in service). I have detailed the specifics of this upgrade on my blog here: http://dalflyer.blogspot.com/2008/10/boeing-757-high-performance-package.html.

Specifically for Andros1337: I noticed on Airliners.net you asked about the four 6900-series ETOPS-certified 757-200s and if they would be receiving winglets. To answer that, no, they will not receive winglets as their wings are not strong enough (the four aircraft I refer to are very early builds and are not eligible for winglet installation).

I'll let you folks decide about what goes where in terms of the above info. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me via my blog linked above. Cweyer (talk) 10:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe the Fleet section does need to be re-done, especially due to the merger. The fleet table is more than likely going to be long and lengthy.  In order to keep the problems on the minimum, I think we should utilize the following order as far as columns go in the fleet table:

1)Aircraft - this includes general data about the aircraft (i.e. Boeing 737-800). We will not include customer codes in the aircraft name as this becomes way too specific. 2)Total - total number of aircraft. Skip a line if there are any orders. Skip a line again if there are any options. 3)Passengers - passenger configurations for aircraft. Simply display the configurations in order from least to greatest.  If the paticular configuration is for something in paticular (like one is a domestic config. and one is an international config.) then we should place superscript text above that configuration specifying what it is. 4)Routes - This should be very general data. (i.e. Domestic short-medium haul) That's it! There is no need to display every single route. If a route has been announced for that paticular aircraft and bears historical significance, then display it in the fleet table under the general route description for that aircraft (i.e. NW is launching Detroit-Shanghai [granted by the DOT], so it bears some significance). 5)Notes - Any other data that doesn't meet the criteria to be in any other column. Entries to and exits from service should be listed at the top of the notes.  Also, any upcoming changes to interiors and or seating configuartions should be noted in this column.  Delivery schedules should be listed in this column (i.e. Deliveries: 5 in 2008, 10 in 2009). I believe this is the easiest way to layout a fleet table.--Golich17 (talk) 17:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Is LGA still a hub?
Is LGA still a hub after the merger or was it ever called a hub? Cashier freak (talk) 17:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * LGA was listed as a hub on this page right before the merger and has disapeared after the merger in the confusion of eidters rapidly editing the page. http://www.delta.com/about_delta/corporate_information/delta_stats_facts/index.jsp does not list LGA as a hub (only says New York (JFK)). Spikydan1 (talk) 19:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Also 146.82. 36.102 continues to list Delta as a focus city on the Logan International Airport whereas Delta no longer has focus city operations at that airport. I have reverted his edits twice. Cashier freak (talk) 19:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I hate to bring ths up again but it seams like User:68.52.36.127 still thinks that LGA is hub, the source listed talks about services from LGA but never claims that LGA is a hub. Every other Delta source does not list LGA as a hub (Just JFK).Spikydan1 (talk) 03:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with the Boston thing (I work at Logan). Delta's once hyped operation in their new terminal has shrunk. NW is moving over to the terminal with the merger, but that still won't bump the op to what it was supposed to be. Neo16287 (talk) 15:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

DL Focus Cities
Why would it mention LGA in the New York hub paragraph of a document with the file name "US Hubs" if it was not collectively part of their hub operations in NYC? Why are you so adamant about not giving Delta own US Hubs Fact Sheet the benefit of the doubt?
 * Come down here and speak to me DIRECTLY —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.52.36.127 (talk) 04:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * All of the other editors have come to the consensus that LGA is not a hub or focus city for Delta. http://news.delta.com/images//us_hubs.pdf Only says JFK is a hub and motions LGA because Delta has a few point to point operations to complement their New York services because New York is one of the few cities that have more than one major airport.http://www.delta.com/about_delta/corporate_information/delta_stats_facts/index.jsp also only lists JFK is a hub. Delta only claims that JFK is a hub and does not say anywhere directly that LGA is a hub and people have only been jumping to the conclusion when they see LGA or NYC motioned.


 * Other registered editors have agreed with me and the only people that seem to be disagreeing with that are you and the other names that you have been accused of Sockpuppetry Spikydan1 (talk) 04:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Disparagement is not neccessary and is irrelevant as no decision has been made there and you'll be hard pressed to find anywhere where I've used two names to actually abuse the rules. I guess if it was more of a focus city airport I don't understand why it isn't on a focus city list and is instead in a file called "US Hubs".68.52.36.127 (talk) 04:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If you beleave that please let other editors weigh in on the hub/focus city issue before making major edits to the Delta page. Spikydan1 (talk) 04:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I only did the revert the first time because pre-merger we had a consenus and I read the new sheet as did Cashier freak before he backed away and thought it still meant the same thing and I only did it the second time because I needed to get your attention to bring you down here to respond to me(at least I thought I did; maybe I didn't so I don't want to start any arguments there). I would be glad to open a new discussion on this and let people weigh in and not have an edit war. I have no intention of violating 3RR. 68.52.36.127 (talk) 04:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, for everyone else who may think of exploiting the sock puppetry thing....How is it sock puppetry if I went from telling everyone to avoid confusion I was using two IP's on and off campus to telling everyone that I was switching from those IP's to a username, didn't break any rules, and two different people used a shared IP that serves a University of 3,000 people? I was completely transparent and open. Consider that before making any pre-judgements. 68.52.36.127 (talk) 04:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The first reference given when LGA was first added as a hub to the infobox shows LGA on the map as a DL hub with JFK and the second reference given does not show LGA as a hub on the map (post NWA merger...it shows all of the hubs for the "new" Delta) but it mentions LGA along with JFK...how weird?? But it doesn't matter now. I rest my case on this matter, we have had this article locked before for the same reason. Let not again. Thanks and good night! Cashier freak (talk) 05:11, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This article won't be locked again unless some hot head administrator comes in and does it. I'm hand off until more people comment and further post merger documents rise to the surface and I'm sure they will. I may not even check it again now that I understand why it started to get reverted again as you know I'm ready to back away from Wikipedia altogether. 68.52.36.127 (talk) 05:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There was an RFPP request to protect this page. After reviewing the edits and this discussion, I am going to decline the request. However, a comment to the anonymous editor - watch your civility, please. The others in this conversation are trying to improve Wikipedia as well, and your attitude and tone are not appropriate for a mature, civil discussion. Thanks! Tan   &#124;   39  15:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry...That's a result of being treated badly and not being given the benefit of the doubt every time I try to join Wikipedia(So much for good faith). Even in this discussion every reply I get is unfriendly and/or a warning. Thanks! I'll keep it civil. 68.52.36.127 (talk) 23:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think LGA should be included on the list. AirlineNerd (talk) 04:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoever has put that Boston Logan is a former hub is completely false. Logan is still and will be a focus city and is being considered as a secondary northeastern hub next to Cincinnati.

Stop posting logan as a former hub because it is wrong and completely false. They occupy more gates at logan than US airways, which also uses logan as a focus city. 05:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.208.234.63 (talk)
 * It is listed as a former focus ciy....It was a focus city until the 2008..this has been well discussed. 74.183.173.237 (talk) 00:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

BNA-CUN
Exactly when does Delta's Nashville-Cancun route begins? Thanks! Cashier freak (talk) 23:50, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I just looked it up...Delta.com says December 27, 2008 and will be Saturday only service... Spikydan1 (talk) 00:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought. Thanks for clearing it up. There has been a little edit war on Nashville International Airport for the BNA-CUN service. It has been going from December 20th to December 27th back and forth. I have corrected the date for the service with the reference. Cashier freak (talk) 00:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Paris Focus
Now with flights from SLC, ATL, JFK, Pittsburgh, Raleigh-Durham, and codeshare flights to SFO, SEA, LAX, Houston, Denver, Minneapolis, Detroit, Memphis, Washington DC, Boston, Philadelphia, and more, this should clearly be a focus city. My logic: they have a profit sharing agreement w/Air France. They split the profits, so it is essentially operated by both. This functions as a hub to connect to other AF Flights. Combined with new NWA destinations, this should seriously be classified as a focus city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.30.178 (talk) 00:38, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Two non-hub destinations is far from a focus city. Codeshare flights don't count to classifying focus city status and Delta has hundreads (if not thousands) of code share flights with other Sky Team and partner airlines all around the world. Spikydan1 (talk) 00:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Also just a reminder, the airlines have not merged and still are seperated. Also, NWA's DTW-CDG flight will end on January 19 so it will just leave the seasonal flight to MSP (Which will be a Delta hub). Along with MSP, ATL, CVG, and SLC, and the PIT and RDU. Two non-hub destinations is not even close to a focus city. As Spikydan1 said, codeshares are not included to determinate focus city status. Cashier freak (talk) 01:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Paris would be more like Amsterdam when the two merge. Not a focus city. 45Factoid44 (talk) 01:13, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If and when Delta decides to call Paris their hub once Delta and Northwest merge. We can consider that change. AMS will be a Delta hub anyway since it is a NWA hub already and Delta will not close any hubs of the 2 airlines. Cashier freak (talk) 03:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, in the April 2009 edition of Sky Magazine, Delta labels Paris as one if its 10 hub cities (along with the NWA hubs). RabidGreenMonkey (talk) 18:46, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't why DL lists CDG as a hub...Currently, DL only has flights to their hubs in the USA. And with PIT and RDU starting in the near future, DL will only has 2 non-hub destinations from CDG which barely counts as a hub. They probably call it a hub because of their codeshare with Air France (since CDG is AF's main hub). 74.183.173.237 (talk) 01:36, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Delta's intl expansion (post-NWA merger)
It looks like Delta have announced a major international expansion after its merger with Northwest. It seems to me that the services were added to the respective pages. I am not sure it should remain cause none of the flights are loaded into schedules but Delta has certainly announced it here: http://news.delta.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=11185. Cashier freak (talk) 19:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Amsterdam hub status
Will Delta close the Amsterdam or should i say "de-hub" it? I emailed Delta Air Lines a while back asking are they going to keep AMS as a hub since it is an NWA hub and here's what I got:

"Dear Mr. Zhou,

Thank you for contacting Delta Air Lines.

We appreciate your comments about our recent schedule change. In today's competitive environment, economic factors have an impact on our decisions about which markets to serve, and with what level of frequency. The decision to withdraw our service from Amsterdam was made only after extensive evaluation of customer demand and cost analysis. We continuously evaluate potential markets, including the possibility of reinstating previously served markets, as changes in passenger demand occur.

Your selection of Delta is appreciated, and we will always do our best to merit your confidence and support.

Sincerely,

Grace Young Online Customer Support Desk http://www.delta.com"

From the look of this email, it looks like Delta has decided to dehub Amsterdam. But I am not sure, we'll wait until the airlines combine and then if they say AMS is a hub then its a hub. Cashier freak (talk) 23:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think Delta is going to become more of a point to point airline after the merger with NWA...They have already annoused lots of new point to point services and they also are going to cut service from CVG so that hub is also in jeopardy. Spikydan1 (talk) 23:44, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute, I thought Delta was not going to close or "de-hub" any of DL's or NWA's hubs. They should've saiad something about it when the merger was first announced. Cashier freak (talk) 06:13, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That was one of their pitchs when they announced the merger to get it approved...but we all knew that they would have to reduce operations at MEM and CVG. They are going to keep claiming that it is a hub but will be reducing a lot of service. http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2008/11/10/daily35.html Spikydan1 (talk) 15:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Delta Air Lines destinations
Cities served by Northwest Airlines were added to the page and I have removed them once again. The airlines have not combined yet and will not combine for at least 2 years. Please wait until things are finalized. Thank you. Cashier freak (talk) 04:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

SEA-PEK
Why has the SEA-PEK route been postponed? Cause I can no longer find flights between Seattle/Tacoma and Beijing for March 1 on nwa.com and I was just wondering if anybody knew the new launch date? Many Thanks! Cashier freak (talk) 06:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I heard it has been postponed indeffinatly for a few reasons. The first was the downturn in the economy, I dought you will see any new major routes lauched until the economy starts to recover. The second was that NW had hoped to use a 787 (Even though they listed an A330) on this route, and just a few months ago they were hoping to get their first 787 by March but...with all the delays in the program, just having the first delivery 2009 is looking like a long shot. Spikydan1 (talk) 15:30, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing it up. I have removed all info from respective articles. Cashier freak (talk) 21:34, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

ATL-KWI
Can anyone find a source stating that DL will ends its ATL-KWI flights in February? I couldn't find flights on delta.com for booking. Cashier freak (talk) 20:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The Kuwait City nonstop remains loaded into the schedules for the foreseeable future. I personally found it loaded at least through August 2009. Cweyer (talk) 06:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

New 747?
Hi guys, been reading that a NW 747-400 (N665US) has gone in for repainting and should be rolled out on the 13th December from Victorville. Does that mean it will be joining the Delta fleet from roll-out? Joey Boeing 777 (talk) 19:22, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It does not matter how the aircraft is painted...Just who operates it and most likely it will still be Northwest unless Delta has been secretly training their pilots and flight attendants for the 747. My guess is that Delta is painting a Northwest 747 as a PR stunt to try to ease relations with some of the Northwest staff...and of course to try to get some free press. Spikydan1 (talk) 19:44, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That is correct. The aircraft will still be operated by Northwest until they obtain a SOC (single operating certificate). And yes, it is a bit of a PR stunt, but it's also part of the overall plan to integrate the two airlines as fast as possible. 3 other Northwest aircraft are being painted at the moment, so this 744 will not be alone. BTW, the 744 should be leaving VCV within a few hours.--Pilotboi / talk / contribs 15:33, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The current article pictures the 777 with the caption that it is the "flagship" of the Delta fleet. Now that an active 747-400 in Delta colours is in active service, and more are scheduled to join it, wouldn't these be the flagship?--71.194.137.59 (talk) 21:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If you really want to get into technical specifics...it's in Delta colors, but it's not really flying for Delta yet. Once the certificates are merged, I think we can technically call it the flagship.--RightSideNov / talk / contribs 23:06, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The flagship aircraft is not always the largest aircraft in an airline's fleet...They can decide whatever they want their flagship aircraft to be. By the time that the two certificates are merged it may be the 787 or still the 777LR. Spikydan1 (talk) 02:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the 747 is flying in Delta colors but Northwest is still operating the aircraft so the aircraft is part of the NWA fleet not the Delta fleet. Remember, the airlines are still operating under seperate certificates. Cashier freak (talk) 04:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The 777-200LR is, and will be for the foreseeable future, Delta Air Lines' flagship, as it is configured with our latest and greatest in-flight products (i.e. lie-flat BusinessElite seats, etc.). The photo mentioned above is mine, by the way. Compared to the NW 747-400 interior, the 777-200LR is light years ahead. Of course, if and when interior upgrades/retrofits for the 747 fleet are announced, we can re-evaluate just which aircraft is the flagship of the Delta fleet. Until then, it most certainly is the 777-200LR. Cweyer (talk) 06:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

DAL Template Suggestion
I thought it would be nice to have a template on each article that is associated with Delta Air Lines. I started to make one and would like your input. It's in my sandbox: Template:Subsidiaries, divisions, and operations of Delta Air Lines. Please let me know what you think. Any additions? Do you think it's even necessary? Name ok? Anything at all. Thanks! --RightSideNov / talk / contribs 14:41, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't really think it's necessary. All of this information is available somewhere in the page (i.e. the subsidaries are listed in the airline template box on the right hand side of the page).--Golich17 (talk) 03:24, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * True, but the idea is to connect all the related articles together. I mean obviously it wouldn't only be used on this article. But I can understand that it may not be necessary. If anyone else has a comment on this please let me know. Thanks. --RightSideNov / talk / contribs 06:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Delta flights to Sydney
Where is everyone find that Delta is starting flights to Sydney? I couldn't find any evidence of this and flights are not bookable at delta.com. When I try typing LAX or ATL to SYD as a destination, its saying that SYD is an invalid city code not served by Delta (even for July 1). Can anyone point me to a news article? I even couldn't find anything saying that they were seeking government approval. Cashier freak (talk) 06:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It's loaded in OAG. It is subject to government approval (and I will make note of that in the article). --RightSideNov / talk / contribs 07:05, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Not to mention Delta made an official press release regarding the new route to SYD. Delta Strengthens Los Angeles Gateway with New Nonstop Flights to Sydney, Sao Paulo, Increased Service to New York--Golich17 (talk) 03:22, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

DL acquisition history
I'm suggesting that somebody please make an illustration of the acquisitions of Delta, similar to the one on JPMorgan Chase. pikdig (talk) 04:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I can try and make one in wiki-language. I've got an extensive timeline of Delta's acquisitions that I designed in Visio. It's available as an image on my website: http://www.koolaiders.com/files/DL_Timeline.png Let me know what you think. --RightSideNov / talk / contribs 06:44, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The one you have is quite complicated. pikdig (talk) 06:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Well that does include more then just acquisitions. It goes into other historical things about Delta. I would only use the company and merger history.--RightSideNov / talk / contribs 07:07, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright, I tried it out. User:RightSideNov/sandbox/Delta Timeline I don't think that template was really designed for this sorta thing. It's more for bracketing competitions (like sports and such). I don't really like how it turned out, so I am going to look into other options. Of course there is always creating a simple one (similar to the one I showed before, but only with certain info) and using it as an image. --RightSideNov / talk / contribs 08:05, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It's already ok, the logos are just too big. How about adding the airlines acquired by both companies, like Comair for DL and Mesaba for NW, for example? pikdig (talk) 10:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that would get way too complicated, as DL once had ASA, but now they don't. And I'm sure theres a few others on either side that I can't think of right now. Plus, please are gunna start thinking Comair folding into Delta or something. Really I'm thinking it's just not worth it. When you deal with airline company history - you either need to make it complex and detailed, or not make it at all.--RightSideNov / talk / contribs 20:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

LAX
With LAX now an international gateway of DL, should we call it a "focus city" now or just "international gateway"? Cashier freak (talk) 19:48, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No need to debate something already factual. Delta lists LAX as an international gateway on Delta.com Cweyer (talk) 14:28, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

747-400
Recently the 747-400 have been added to the fleet. I have removed it because the 747-400 is part of the Northwest fleet NOT the Delta fleet. Delta and Northwest are still two seperate and independant carriers until operating certificates and other operations are combined. Yes, there is a 747 operating in the Delta color scheme but Northwest Airlines is operating the aircraft. If I am wrong, please correct it. Thanks! Cashier freak (talk) 22:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

NW SEA-PEK
Is the Seattle-Beijing been postponed to 2010 or indefinitely? Do we list it as a destination for NWA. Cashier freak (talk) 04:13, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Routes Section "SAL"??
what it means???

Via Sal???--190.148.250.194 (talk) 19:28, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It means that the flight makes a technical stop in Sal before heading on to the final destination. Cashier freak (talk) 01:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * i know but wich city or wich country is SAL???--200.35.168.81 (talk) 03:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sal is an island in Cape Verde. Cashier freak (talk) 04:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Through Flights
Through flights do not count for the NEW ROUTES section. The information should be listed they way DL has it on their website. For example for SYD, the flight originates in LAX. ATL-LAX may be the same flight number, but since DL already flies this route it is not new. We only need to place the new routing. Some exceptions are the African cities where they make a "Tech Stop", and not necessarily scheduled service. Make sure the new flight that is being posted is not simply a through flight as the reader may be confused into thinking it is a nonstop flight. Through flights, in my opinion, are a poor marketing strategy. Too many times I have had passengers on through flights miss the second portion as the airline would rather split the flight into two, rather than delay both legs of the flight. Maranomerau (talk) 23:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

NWA NRT-SGN
Is Northwest still planning on flying Narita to Ho Chi Minh City? It was announced by DL but I cannot book flights on either Delta.com or NWA.com so I was wondering if they are still planning on flying that route. Cashier freak (talk) 04:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

DL Africa
Did some of the Africa routes that were originally routed from ATL have been shifted to JFK now? if so, Can anyone provided any of a new release or article. The ref provided for the original routes still states that the some of the Africa routes are still routed from ATL and that was the only source DL announced about expanding to Africa. Is DL still flying to Sal cause it is not bookable on their website from ATL. Cashier freak (talk) 02:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

DTW, MSP, and MEM
Since those airports have been rebranded as Delta hubs, should those be added as DL hubs or should they stay as Northwest hubs. I know the airlines have not combined yet but many news articles confirmed that signage at those airport are now "Delta". Thanks! Charmedaddict (talk) 18:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If DL says they are, then they are. (Just like GUM is CO hub although CO planes are only flown there by CS crew.) If not, look at the actual planes and flight operations. Ground operations can affect how things are listed at airport articles, but not necessarily airlines. HkCaGu (talk) 19:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

SEA-PEK route
Just wanted to know if Seattle-Beijing route by NWA is still happening (tentative start date for that route was set for March 25, 2010). Need to resolve this dispute. Thanks! Charmedaddict (talk) 17:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup
I suggest some or all of the following to improve this article, as it is currently far too long:


 * 1) Create a new sub-article History of Delta Air Lines, as that section is currently very long.
 * 2) As I suggested on the original article page, merge Delta Air Lines-Northwest Airlines merger‎ into either this, or the History of... article.
 * 3) Condense the Cabin section (no pun intended), as it seems to contain quite a bit of unnecessary detail.
 * 4) Either do away with or rewrite the Advertising section so it's not simply a list of the company's slogans.
 * 5) Condense the Company and Personnel sections into one. Remove the long and unnecessary list of subsidiaries. --Resplendent (talk) 03:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)