Talk:Devil in the arts and popular culture

Untitled
Can we include info on the fidel playing ability of Satan in fiction. this article seems to have nothing on it.

examples: --Bud0011 02:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Futurama's Robot Devil
 * The Devil Went Down to Georgia


 * More generally, I think there should be some material on the Devil as a character in Western folklore and culture. There are articles on various religious views of the Devil, but none about the (possibly fiddle-playing) folk character.  This could either go in this article, for example in the introduction or in an "overview" section, or in a new, separate article. 129.199.224.149 (talk) 19:24, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Mr. Satan
Hey, shouldn't we include Mr. Satan from Dragon Ball in the article? The character has Satan's name, for God's sake! --Wanna Know My Name? Later 17:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Since I got no reply, I'm just adding it. Wanna Know My Name? Later 17:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
This entry really needs some work or it is staring down the barrel of an AfD.

Most notably is the fact that "Satan in entertainment media" is a grab bag of films, TV and comics but there is a film/TV section, unfortunately this is very listy and also contains similar information to the entertainment media section.

What we need to avoid are trivial mentions of him and avoid this becoming a list so what I think would be best is to take the TV/film information from the entertainment media section to the film/TV one (and consider a split) and then rework (and rename/refocus) this section - we can for example create a pretty good section just for comics. (12:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Emperor (talk • contribs).

Copyright material?
This edit removed a big chunk of material on copyright grounds. Anyone got any ideas as it is usual to flag/explain this first. (Emperor 23:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC))


 * My initial Googles didn't find anything but I did eventually find this I'm not 100% sure but I suspect it might be the source. (Emperor 00:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC))


 * It was added when the entry was made back in December 2005 (Emperor 00:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC))


 * It goes back even further than that -- User:Satanael moved it from Satan to what was then Satan in fiction in November 2005. Part but not all of it was already in Satan by February 2005, so it looks like this was built up organically here.


 * As for this link, it says at the bottom that it takes material from Wikipedia. User:Satanfilmgirl may have found that or some other mirror and thought Wikipedia copied from there rather than the other way around.  Still, I'd give her some time to reply to your message on her talk page before restoring it.  —Celithemis 00:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah - good call. I didn't see the bit at the bottom of the page (as the formatting goes very wrong in FireFox). I'll keep an eye out for developments. (Emperor 00:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC))

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West Indian Day Parade photo
I think the guy in this picture is supposed to be dressed as the god Shango, who carries a double headed ax and is associated with rams, not the devil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.203.6.220 (talk) 06:04, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Many pagan gods have been transformed into local representations of Satan. The "old" pagan gods that monotheist religions (especially Christianity and Islam) disparage are then treated as characters of consummate evil. Such is especially true of "nature" gods such as Pan who might be especially tempting when people are less than satisfied with the new faith. Pbrower2a (talk) 15:37, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Damn Yankees -- musical comedy and film
I am adding references to Damn Yankees, musical comedy and derived movie, as well as the obscure novel from which both are derived. Although the Devil is almost benign, the demonic powers are implicit, with the Devil praising a temptress for encouraging a businessman to embezzle money and bet it all on one losing event after which the businessman is ruined and commits suicide -- and gets eternal damnation. Joe Hardy, the Washington Senators fan who fantasizes winning a pennant for his beloved Washington Senators as the shortstop who makes the difference between a winning team and a losing team, isn't offered the usual demonic contract, experiences and risks no harm (or damnation), but one can't fully trust the Devil. Pbrower2a (talk) 15:45, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Diabolus in musica
The first paragraph in the "Classical Music" section said that the tritone "was never used in religious music until the existing system of keys came into use". This overlooks its perfectly standard use in the 6/3 form of a diminished triad (D,F,B for example). To avoid the article becoming too technical, I've changed it to say "was used in religious music only in very specific circumstances until the existing system of keys came into use". --Stfg (talk) 10:53, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Film & Television Clean up Feb 2014
Hello. I just completed the recommended reformat of the Film and Television sections using sortable tables. As such, I have removed the clean up templates related to this work. I also added citations to the Film section. Happy to help add or remove columns if you have ideas. Thanks. --Morphovariant (talk) 01:53, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Bedazzled movies
There is two movies that can enter in the list. The two are named Bedazzled, one is from 1967 and another is from 2000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.54.83.50 (talk) 20:46, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Question
Another user stated " The Devil appears frequently as a character in works of literature and popular culture. In Christianity, the figure of the Devil, Satan or Lucifer, personifies evil.": How is this wrong when Lucifer was his name?

The same user also stated "In Marvel Comics the Norse trickster-god Loki is shown as the main adversary of his adopted brother Thor and a common enemy of both Earth and Asgard. Although Loki has conjured up somewhat demonic magic, he is not a demon (by birth) but a misshapen frost giant.": How is this wrong? Isn't he meant to be a frost giant who became a god and later a demon?

Michael Demiurgos (talk) 07:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The claim you are adding is that "Lucifer personifies evil". The source you are adding only backs up that the Devil is also known as "Lucifer". This is WP:SYNTHESIS, in that you are creating a causal connection that is not backed up by either source i.e. The Devil personifies evil, and that the Devil is also known as Lucifer, therefore "Lucifer" personifies evil. This breaches Wikipedia policy because a claim has to be explicitly backed up by a source i.e. you have to provide a source saying that "Lucifer personifies evil"; so far you have not done this. Betty Logan (talk) 12:42, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Link to List of fictional demons
Please see: Talk:List of fictional demons

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:32, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Never mind. Done. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:21, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

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Content and changing the title
This article is about more than just popular culture, so the title needs changing. Suggestion: "Devil in the arts and popular culture". Rwood128 (talk) 00:21, 9 March 2020 (UTC) Rwood128 (talk) 12:04, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Visual art
not that this article needs to be even longer, but it seems like an oversight that there isn't a visual art section that would include paintings, sculpture, etc. Blanketstitch (talk) 20:44, 2 July 2024 (UTC)