Talk:Electric vehicle charging network

network
what is the differnce between electic circuit and network 18:13, 24 January 2010 119.155.74.159

Yes, merge; purpose of pages
Charging station should be for the details of a single station and the issuess of having lots of them. Its deployments section should be moved into Electric Vehicle Network.

All the spamming and subject-changing by battery swap proponents definitely doesn't belong in Charging station.

I'll try to do this. -- Skierpage (talk) 22:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Done! I don't think Wikipedia needs a laundry list of well-meaning initiatives to put charging stations in random cities, so I'd be happy if someone aggressively culled this.  But at least it's mostly in one page now. I'm busy adding relevant info (level 2 and level 3 charging, etc.) to Charging station now it's freed from this stuff. -- Skierpage (talk) 04:23, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Background Articles
Germany:
 * FAZ: Deutschland startet die Aufholjagd, 14. April 2010
 * No funding for EV in Germany because it would only help Japanese models being the only available options ATM. There are 500 million Euros per year for GGEMO-sponsored projects - this is 2 billion spent by the current government for its four years term. The money is put into 150 projects and 8 test regions as of May 2010.
 * Abendblatt: Fahrt ins Blaue - parallel zur Kimakonferenz, 3. Mai 2010
 * Karabag offers an e-car based on a fiat-500 after investing 700,000 EUR. More interesting: RWE mobility team is 40 people with a yearly budget in the "double digit" million Euros range.
 * the RWE-mobility preference for car park provider APCOA comes from bureaucracy - to put up a charging station in a public area you need to contact seven state offices in Berlin.
 * The GGEMO founded because of competing interest in ministeries so that chancellor Merkel has put it one level higher. No results to be expected anyway for the clumsy structure of the GGEMO - 3 members from 3 ministeries running 7 working groups trying to drag information from even more ministries and a few dozen industry partners - the final report is probably only available in early 2011.

cost per charging point
I removed "This lets us a mean cost over 4500 Euros by recharge point. This cost must be reduced to get a more reliable spawn." The current estimates go for as low as 1500 per recharge point but the first stations were built at a cost of 13.000 Euro. The costs do of course vary widely - you can hardly get below for 500 Euro without installation (compare "Drehstromkiste") and with any earthworks involved it can get very costly (like 200 Euro per meter). Yes, an EV network is expensive, that's no news. Guidod (talk) 00:56, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


 * During investigation of the ARRE funded "EV Project Amercia" and "ChargePoint America" it became apparant that the first charging stations were slated with a price tag of 30,000 USD per location. This is an expensive offset for a fully networked (smart grid capable) charging station compared to the price tag of a simple charging point as sold by Park & Charge which offers its stations (without installation costs) from 518 EUR (CEE blue, no power meter) to 828 EUR (CEE red, 3 power meters). The Drehstromkiste is selling for as low as 300 EUR (CEE red, no power meter, no installation cost). - Overall the costs per charging point can vary by a factor of 100. - Guidod (talk) 09:00, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Connector / Grid
Strategy paper by Park & Charge covers connector types, possible grid access, etc.. Guidod (talk)
 * http://www.park-charge.ch/documents/EV_infrastructure_strategy.pdf

ESVE / suppliers
I have put the station-only providers into an EVSE section. May be they could be moved to an article on EVSE later. For this article - electric vehicle NETWORK - it is not on-topic from my POV (the EVSE suppliers list should be deleted as soon as the EVSE article is ready). Guidod (talk) 12:06, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I think the EVSEs should still be in this article as they quite clearly form part of the 'infrastructure system of publicly-accessible charging stations' which is cited at the top of the article. The top of the article also says that infrastructure providers form part of this network, which POD Point, Better Place and Coulomb Tech all are. These charging points can all be connected to a wider Communication Network which allows grid communication, billing, user management etc which is different to a network - I think it is viable to say that infrastructure providers deserve their places on both pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GWiztastic (talk • contribs) 13:29, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


 * In Wikipedia it is not necessary to duplicate information - one may as well reference other articles just as we do for charging station. The same would be for EVSE suppliers as far as such an article would exist. It is okay to mention a supplier as far as it relates to an EV network project - however that's mostly not more than saying "provided by" and a link to the press release of the company rather than advertising the product catalogue (see WP:SOAP). POD point might be notable for the Ireland project in that section - the BetterPlace and CoulombTech however are clearly beyond the point of being just charging station suppliers.
 * As a side note: I had doubted that for ColoumbTech until I learned about their ChargePoint America program and their intent to run similar networks - so they do not speak about a potential billing network but they do really put it up now. They do not supply a network - they actually operate it AFAICS. Guidod (talk) 15:07, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Charge at home
''The VDE E-mobility congress on the subject was held in Leipzig on 8./9. November 2010. During the congress a large consumer study was precented that showed some 64 percent want to buy an electric car. The study did also look at the requirements to the charging process - 51 percent of consumers in Germany expect a car to be charged in less than 2 hours, up to 4 hours is acceptable to 60 percent of consumers. 64 percent of consumers expect to charge in their own garage, 21 percent want to frequent a central charging station while casual charging in parking lots of shops and company grounds is expected by a mere 6 and 4 percent respectively. The maximum travel distance shows mixed results - while 53 percent say that 300 km is enough there are also 31 percent who like to travel 450 to 1000 km until required to recharge..''
 * I think the interesting thing is in the sections that were not put into words explicitly - there seems to be a large portion of consumers who expect long charging hours in their own garage for a range below 300 km of their intended electric car. If we multiply 64% * 40% * 53% then we get a minimum of 13,5% percent of the whole car market (and a maximum of 40% of those who want to buy an electric car anyway). That's a pretty big share especially in comparison with the propaganda of traditional car makers to argue that the current electric cars are not ready for the market and lower charging hours, longer distance and a widespread charging network are a requirement to start selling electric cars. From the study I can not see a blocking point other than the price tag. Guidod (talk) 15:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Enel network

 * copied from de:Benutzer:guidod

Hi,

I am the user who edited the entry for the Enel recharge network in Italy, which you then reverted and added 3 new entries for the separate cities where the scheme is active.

I don't understand your reasoning behind this. Could you please contact me to discuss the changes.

regards, Philip

Pkerrigan 10:41, 4. Okt. 2011 (CEST)Pkerrigan


 * Hello Philip, for larger countries we have opted to show the regions where a vehicle network is situated. The basic reason is that elective vehicles do only have a limited range. Atleast Rome is far too much south that I would have included it to be in the same region that an electric vehicle driver from Milano can actually get a benefit from it.
 * The situation will continue for a number of years since most electric vehicles are built to be best usable for city transport - the European utitilities have refrained from building charging stations along highways and land roads. This is also true for Enel which builds "islands" of charging station networks and this article merily reflects this situation. Guidod (talk) 07:30, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

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Page name
Would this page be better suited at Electric vehicle charging network? The phase "electric vehicle network" isn't in particularly common usage - the former has 5x as many Google hits (10x if comparing "EV charging network" and "EV network") and is the better understood term. It looks like the omission of the word "charging" is to support the inclusion of battery swap stations as part of such a network. That's something which, when the article was created in 2011, was envisioned as a core part of EV usage (with Better Place and Tesla both doing trials) but has since faded into obscurity (the sole exception being Nio in China). I suggest this article be moved to the new title to reflect the focus on charge networks (battery swapping can be still be mentioned, and a dedicated article be created if there is enough content). What prompted me to suggest this was that I was trying to update Wikidata entries to be instances of "electric vehicle charging network" and was surprised the name didn't exist. If others think this is a good idea I'll perform the move. -- Chuq (talk) 13:09, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Update - this proposal would also apply to Wikidata item Q37929123 -- Chuq (talk) 03:05, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No opposition, so I'll WP:BEBOLD in the next 12-24 hours unless there are any last minute concerns. -- Chuq (talk) 14:05, 4 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. Battery swaps don't quite match the new title but I don't think that's a big deal.  Stepho  talk 13:14, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Agreed, I would probably also move that content to it's own article in time. It's not really a common technology now but there's probably enough info and references about past attempts to warrant a dedicated article. -- Chuq (talk) 01:15, 6 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I'd support the move. "Electric vehicle network" is vague and brings to mind several different possibilities; your proposed title clearly indicates exactly what the article is about. --Sable232 (talk) 23:35, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks everyone :) I've just moved the page, and modified the introduction.  There are a lot of updates to be done to the article itself, and I'll create a new article about battery swapping - perhaps splitting off the content from Charging station. That's unless anyone else beats me to it! -- Chuq (talk) 02:35, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

could use EVgo/Plugshare article
Seems NASDAQ-listed EVgo worthy of own page, especially after acquisition of super-popular PlugShare platform. (My recollection of last (only?) experience trying to create a page leaves me not wanting to deal…) Doug Grinbergs (talk) 21:41, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Why Tesla's network is highlighted as the largest, but specifically in California, instead of the United States?
Since the list is mostly about each country or region emcompassing many countries, why focus on one singular state in the US when making such a claim? As far as I know, Tesla's network is the biggest EV charget network in the US already. Tetizeraz -  (talk page)  16:39, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Network: electric vehicle infrastructure in general; companies who provide electric vehicle infrastructure
I think the term "network" is a little ambiguous. We may talk about talk about the  network of chargers in California, or we may talk about networks such as BP Pulse and Shell Recharge, companies which in UK policy are commonly referred to as "chargepoint operators".

Do you think this page can handle both these types of electric vehicle charging networks? Should there be some clarification? Or a split, so we have "charging station" < "charging station operator" < "electric vehicle infrastructure". The "Infrastructure providers" section would go to "charging station operator", while the "Initiatives by region" section would go to "electric vehicle infrastructure" after some tidying. 51.6N0.1W (talk) 13:47, 16 February 2024 (UTC)