Talk:Emma Dent Coad

If not elected
If she is not elected, delete speedily: candidates in General elections don't warrant articles (apart from Lord Buckethead of course!)Bashereyre (talk) 20:01, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Well she was elected, so no need. Unlike Lord Buckethead of the Gremloids, of course, who lost out to a very strong and stable candidate. Allegedly. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:49, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Emma Dent Coad on board of KCTMO in charge of Glenfell Tower
Dear All, News is advancing & information from the Glenfall Action group indicates Emma Dent Coad was on the board of KCTMO when fire risk was raised as a concern. This is relevant. -- The Glenfell Action group indicates that Emma was on the board when residents first started raising concerns about the fire risk assessments at Glenfell Tower.


 * That Action Group blogpost does not mention her and was written more than four months after she had resigned from the board of the TMO. Nedrutland (talk) 12:32, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Name
Which does she have two last names?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:59, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It's not unusual for British people to have two surnames, with or without a hyphen. But I've been in touch with Emma, via social meeja, and she kindly has replied, saying this: "I'm half Spanish. I have a very long name which I've abbreviated and changed by deed poll." So you may want to look for reliable sources in support. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:39, 18 June 2017 (UTC) (p.s. true story)
 * You may wish to note that the "All about EDC" page of her website claims "With a curious family background, descended from Christopher Columbus and the Borgias..." It doesn't give us her date of birth. But I wonder if that image of her is in the public domain. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:26, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

National description of this and other MPs
There has been some batting back and forth on how to describe Dent Coad - British or English. I suggest that the default position should be British (as shorthand for a citizen/subject of the UK of GB & NI) unless there is evidence that the subject describes herself as something else - which might include English, Scottish etc. In this case, she has Spanish ancestry so might not identify as English (though born in England).

Another dual-heritage new MP, Layla Moran, is currently described as British as is German-born Wera Hobhouse (and ex-MP Gisela Stuart). Former Kensington MP, the Scottish-born Malcolm Rifkind is also described here as British, as is Welsh-born John Prescott. Even the very Welsh Lloyd George is described as British, as are foreign-born Boris Johnson and the dual-heritage Churchill. Nedrutland (talk) 13:09, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I would tend to agree that the default ought to be British, unless an MP self-identifies as something else. She was born in London, but as you note, was born into an Anglo-Spanish family (and I'm not sure the use of the word "Anglo" at her website means she self-identifies as English rather than British). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I sought a citation for the description as English; none was forthcoming so, as even Theresa May is described as British, I have changed EDC to British. Nedrutland (talk) 10:22, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Category:British republicans
Is there any reliable source for this Category? I'd be surprised if Dent Coad has not spoken out on this subject, but the article does not currently seem to support. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:38, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Conservative logo
This Daily Telegraph source gives the following 21 word tit-bit: "It also emerged that Ms Dent Coad had drawn a Conservative being hung from a tree in a bizarre blog post." Is this really sufficient to warrant an addition to this article, as per WP:WEIGHT? It seems to be just petty mischief making. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:35, 14 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Worthy of report by a broadsheet newspaper, so clearly not mischief making, particularly given here racist comments. 2A00:23C4:7F89:2600:ADED:A220:1C42:C6FB (talk) 18:18, 14 November 2017 (UTC)


 * That's racist? Maybe you'll feel compelled to add the Guido Fawkes soiurce, where we learn:
 * "Tory MP Kemi Badenoch responds: "Words fail me. Just been to her site to see it for myself. It actually looks like a black conservative hanging from a tree. Whether or not she meant that, its not behaviour becoming of an MP.""
 * Ah yeah, right, that's a "black conservative". Well, it is black ink isn't it, not white ink. I'm amazed that Wikipedia wants to sink into this pathetic world of political blogs, smear and bickering. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Good point. I’ll add the Badenoch quote. 2A00:23C4:7F89:2600:ADED:A220:1C42:C6FB (talk) 18:42, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * If you asked nicely, perhaps Ms Dent Coad would upload the hang-man doodle, with an open CC license, at Commons for us? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:58, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

My view is that it would be needlessly offensive to post her lynching fantasies here.MichaelPWSmith (talk) 19:07, 14 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Using the Guido Fawkes blog as a source has been discussed here and here. The general view seems to be that it's not reliable. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:09, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

The Fawkes page is only being used as a source for your Badenoch quote. The veracity of the quote is uncontentious and therefore I’m happy with the use of the source.MichaelPWSmith (talk) 19:20, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * "The veracity of the quote is uncontentious"? How do we know Staines didn't just make it up? It's not "my quote", thanks, it's Staines'. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:24, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Badenoch posted it on her own Twitter account. I think it unlikely that Staines made it up. But thanks for bringing it to our attention. MichaelPWSmith (talk)+
 * Please thank The Daily Torygraph, not me. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:38, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Are you saying that the Telegraph has cited the Badenoch quote? Please give the link so that we can improve the citation. Thanks. MichaelPWSmith (talk) 19:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I'm saying they brought the topic to the attention of the public at large by providing a link to the Guido Fawkes blog, although they chose not to quote it. I'm a bit concerned that the article now seems to suggest that the logo doodle is in some way connected with Shaun Bailey. Is that your understanding? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:50, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

That is not for us to judge. We merely report the sources. MichaelPWSmith (talk) 20:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think it is very much for us to judge. If we put two items, that are only superficially connected, adjacent to each other in an article, we ought to take responsibility. Just because a leading Tory broadsheet choses a certain tendentious editorial line, it doesn't mean we have to blindly follow it. It's biased and lazy. Martinevans123 (talk).


 * And now a whole new section on "Teenage explicit sex manuals", sourced only to GF, and based on a letter written by Dent Coad to The Guardian 18 years ago. Wow, this really is plumbing the depths. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:03, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

This sex manual story doesn’t seem to have made the papers, and I’d argue it’s not relevant to this entry. I’d suggest deleting it. MichaelPWSmith (talk) 21:13, 14 November 2017 (UTC)


 * It's all utterly childish trivia, raked up to make a political point. The right wing press wants to go after "racists"? I think they could find many much better candidates. This kind of gossipy trash wholly unbalances the article. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:16, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

The sex-manual story seems pretty trivial, but the Badenoch quotation has now been reported in both left- and right-leaning publications (I've added citations). Also, Guido Fawkes seems reliable for a quotation from a Conservative MP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whythehellnot1 (talk • contribs) 09:42, 15 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry but, notwithstanding MP's Twitter accounts and Huff Po, I think all this material is just so much worthless political tittle-tattle that will be forgotten in a few weeks. But I will remove The Sun as a source as, I think most would agree, that's just tabloid trash. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:55, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Parking a reference

 * https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/nov/19/emma-dent-coad-grenfell-interview-shaun-bailey --ClemRutter (talk) 11:46, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

"Homelessness"
Ok, so Dent Coad made a rather stupid mistake with a picture. But what exactly were the ramifications for Dent Coad herself, or for the Labour Party in general? For the political map of Britain? I'd suggest entirely none. Are we now dedicating entire sub-sections of the article to single Tweets, just because she makes a "public statement"? Or only because it was written up into an article by Verity Ryan in the right-wing press? Or because she used the word b*****d? I'm truly dismayed. This seems like a misuse of a Wikipedia article for political nuisance-making. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:38, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I would say go with what the sources say - if this is reported in several non-tabloid papers then it should be included. If its based on just the Telegraph then it should be removed. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 17:41, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Can you find any other one? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:59, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * This is the only other source I can find, so unless anyone finds more sources I think it should be left out. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 12:46, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Oooh, so Theresa May's ugly now. Political dynamite there, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:25, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I was referring specifically to "She faces more scrutiny over her behaviour on social media after sharing a fake meme featuring a homeless elderly woman with the caption "work all your life, pay in to the system all your life. THIS IS WHAT THE ROTTEN BASTARD TORIES GIVE YOU !'. However the image next to the tweet is not of a British woman, but actually comes from a US report about pensioner poverty across the Atlantic." Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 16:16, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Her argument, in general terms, is no less valid because it fails to use an image of a British person? Poverty is poverty, isn't it? My point was more that complaining about a picture in a tweet is about on the same political level as calling Theresa May ugly. But, yes, I totally agree with you about just those two sources. In fact that second source looks more like a blog to me. Is it used for any other politician article? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:20, 9 December 2017 (UTC)