Talk:Emoticon/Archive 6

xD or XD
I see these waaay too much on the forums I go to. Shouldn't they be included? The X would be link >< on it's side, like they're laughing very hard... —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Unwanted Comment (talk • contribs) 05:01, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * As an add-on, I've just had a brief look at the common examples, and XD appears twice in the table with different meanings. Wouldn't it be easier to add the two meanings to one box (if that makes sense) or place them side by side...? I'd perhaps do it but would no doubt screw the whole thing up :P londonsista  | Prod  20:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Spookyghosts (talk • contribs) 01:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Only problem is that xD =/= :D, making the table incorrect. GeneralShroom (talk) 16:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

umm, =) and =( !!!! do you know how to do a bunny???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.210.133 (talk) 05:57, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

*No Title*
There is a new paper in a well-known sociology journal on the linguistic work done by emoticons in email interaction. It might be of interest to readers. This is the citation:

Menchik, D., and X. Tian. (2008) "Putting Social Context into Text: The Semiotics of Email Interaction." The American Journal of Sociology. 114:2 pp. 332-70.

Peelpel (talk) 16:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * ❌ Unnecassary Leujohn  ( talk ) 14:15, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Why so? Looks interesting to me!
 * If there is some interesting information then add it to the article and use the citation. WP:Bold...  If it is well written and well documented and notable enough editors will support the addition.  Alatari (talk) 07:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

This Talk page needs cleanup badly.
Anonymous users have put way to much nonsense on this talk page, and I removed most of the nonsense, but somebody needs to clean this talk page up. Reliable  Forever talk 17:56, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * A constant chore... Alatari (talk) 07:43, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

^^;;
What does the emoticon ^^;; mean? Reliable  Forever talk 20:05, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

The article doesn't even state what ^^ means, although there is an implication that it represents eyes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.1.221 (talk) 23:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Coming from one who uses "^^", it is usually interpreted as happiness (a smile), sort of like a shorter ver. of ^.^ or ^_^. Ratkinzluver33 (talk) 21:46, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Merge proposal from List of emoticons
The List of emoticons has a lot of duplicate information to what is available here. I'm thinking we should merge it all, keeping the important examples visible, and put the extras under templates. -- Explodicle (T/C) 23:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds reasonable to me. --MZMcBride (talk) 16:32, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - in fact it would make more sense to go the other way: have the Emoticon article have less detail (fewer illustration of examples) and more prose as to popularity and use while moving the specific examples to the List of emoticons article, which could have less prose and more illustration/details (sourced, of course). There are also two open proposals to merge other material into this article - and right now the Emoticon article is about 37K in size (see WP:TOOLONG). Clearly it would be inadvisable to put all three here as the result will be too big. If you merge the list into this: 1) it is contrary to the result of the just-closed AfD which ended as "keep and rename", and 2) size considerations would practically dictate its being split off anyway. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 20:19, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Moving some of the details we see here to List of emoticons would be fine by me... as I said, my main concern is the overlap in scope. -- Explodicle (T/C) 15:29, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Also, the close of Articles for deletion/List of common emoticons implies that such a merge at this point so immediately after closing, would be, in fact, against consensus, as pointed out by the closing admin. 147.70.242.54 (talk) 20:22, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The only consensus (IMHO) at the AfD was to not delete, and that the word "common" was POV. Beyond that, there's no reason we can't discuss improvements here. -- Explodicle (T/C) 15:29, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Oppose on several grounds, not the least of which was that this proposal was posted less than 24 hours after an AfD close with "keep". I am sure that the dozen or two participants in that discussion (including the closing admin) would be interested in this discussion. In some ways this proposal smacks of forum shopping... and keep in mind that I am assuming good faith here. As the IP has pointed out, moving some of the detail from Emoticon to the list article would actually be a better move than the proposed merge or the deletion that was requested at AfD. B.Wind (talk) 05:00, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not like I'm asking for outside opinions - I want to improve an article, so I'm posting on the article's talk page. Anyone from the AfD who still cares will see this on their watchlist. -- Explodicle (T/C) 15:29, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Update - Ok, does anyone have any objections to moving some of the details the list of emoticons on Emoticon to List of emoticons? -- Explodicle (T/C) 15:29, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Don't merge - I think the Emoticon article is already too long and merging the "list of" article in would make things worse. Normally, "list of" articles do not have a lot of explanation, so I don't think moving text into it would be good, rather, I think redundant text should be removed from the "list of" article. I guess I could see creating new main articles of "western style emoticons", "eastern style..", etc. I suspect that there doesn't need to be more articles though. Wrs1864 (talk) 19:10, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you have any objections to moving the list of emoticons on Emoticon to List of emoticons? -- Explodicle (T/C) 14:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Personally? I don't have any strong objections, but I can't say it strikes me as an obviously good thing to do.   Mind you, one of the things I've been doing in the last several months of babysitting this article is to constantly hack back the list of example emoticons here.  My questions are:  Would this article be improved by showing only a tiny number of emoticons, mostly embedded in sentences?  I'm not so sure.  Would getting rid of the examples here cause lots of people to feel the need to add some here, or to instead, put their creativeness (WP:OR) and wide knowledge dozens of emoticons (WP:NOT indiscriminate) into the "list of" article instead?  I'm not sure which would cut down the constant inflow of non-notable cruft, or if we would get the worst of both Wrs1864 (talk) 15:01, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Now that the decision has been made to keep it, it needs to be sourced, but it is too monstrous to be merged. Scapler (talk) 02:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Oppose A reverse merge with a disambiguation link at the top of the page sounds like a good idea. I think... ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I'll take down the merge template. -- Explodicle (T/C) 03:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Too many 8-D?
I was looking and noticed about 50-60 of 8-D and was wondering why, and if it is viable to be deleted? Thanks. Sam7yellow (talk) 23:00, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Missing emoticons?
I see and use many emoticons that are missing. I came here looking for clarification on one I see a lot:


 * o)

I have assumed it means clowning around. It would be really nice to have a list of the hundred or so I see with various descriptions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.180.22 (talk) 07:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

does anyone use equal signs for emoticons? i do whenever im typing. i feel special =d =[ =D =]...>=uD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.42.105 (talk) 08:44, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

penis emoticons misplaced as smiley face on western emoticon chart
The chart listing emoticons "smiley faces" shows c=3 as a smiley face when I understand this emoticon is used extensively as a penis. sometimes its <=3 or c==3 but its still a penis.

I think this was a deliberate 'mistake' and should be corrected.

66.98.3.145 (talk) 18:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No, sorry: if it is a mistake, it was not deliberate. As you agree, the penis-like symbol exists and is used in various forms. It is used to express emotions like : happiness, excitement, interest, both in sexual sense or more generally in any other context. Now, the problem is: should the definition of emoticon include it, or not? If emoticon means: a representation of a facial expression, strictly, the answer is most likely no; if it means: an agreeded representation of the writer's emotions/feelings by means of whatever, I think the answer is yes. Of course, we may also decide to drop it verecondiæ causa, but then let us say it, and do not hide behind a fig leaf. --pma (talk) 19:03, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Japanese article says that the chinese use 凸 and ╭∩╮ for 'Fuck you' ;D)) &#65293; Cy21(talk)

Chalamius
Maybe mention this on this page. I guess it is slang for someone who uses emoticons a lot. Ikip (talk) 03:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

disputed content removed from article
The article was arguing with itself, and I don't know which one is right, so I'm moving the content here to be re-evaluated. It has been widely reported and copied across the Internet that an early instance of using text characters to represent a sideways smiling (and frowning) face occurred in an ad for the MGM movie Lili in the New York Herald Tribune, March 10, 1953, page 20, cols. 4-6. (See "Creation of :-) and :-(" section below.)

However, the above is incorrect. The advert does not in fact use text characters, but instead uses a hand-drawn "Smiley" with the normal orientation. This can be confirmed by visiting the New York City public library where a copy of the newspaper for that day is held on microfilm, which can be requested online at http://www.nypl.org/express/.

Beeblebrox (talk) 23:03, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the removal was a good idea. I see no point in listing ways in which it was not created. Sam Barsoom 21:39, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Boing Boing?
Is Boing Boing really a reliable source? It’s cited in this article. —Frungi (talk) 07:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Intro confusion
Why is it necessary to put Digital forms of emoticons on the Internet were included in a proposal by Scott Fahlman in a message on 19 September 1982.[1] in the lead-in. That is covered very well in the History section, the transition into the sentence is awkward as if it was added as an after thought. Please, someone provide a great wikipedia style reason to include that additional reference. Alatari (talk) 09:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

CONTRADICTING
Westerns emoticons are :) :-) :( etc

^______^ T~T O___O etc are Asian. In the 'Western emoticon' table, a lot of Asian-style emoticons are included in the example. This contradicts the text in the topic, which clearly states that a 'tilt of the head' is required to see the smiley face of western emoticons.

--Platinum inc (talk) 20:40, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Bad Layout
I saw some sections, starting from "2.2 Variations" is put inside the table. Is this expected? Seems bad to me...

Malikussaid (talk) 02:43, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

also to make things more readable how about adding:

Scientific research?
Would it be too much to add some scientific mentions? (there some under feather reading) There have been compartmental research on the use of smiles. I haven't found much fee resource. This one can be read online. Anybody know some more?

Also, instead of arguing over which ones to add or not, Wouldn't it be simpler to just mention something like :

As colloquialism or slang, it continuously evoles, new one are invented all the time and we do not know how many actually exist ...but I have not found any source for the last part, that actually say we don't know... maybe we do? Maybe somewhere there's a real-time smilies indexing bot??? ;P &#65293; Cy21(talk)

:-9 and :9
what about adding :-9 and it's shortened brother :9 ?

Usually meant for licking lips (or chops...I've see variants with "drool" too)



Mofoq (talk) 23:58, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Unverified bollocks
"Usually on MSN, people use O.O or : ("

Deleted DanTheShrew (talk) 01:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

☺
in 1981, IBM character sheets included a black and a white 'smiley', presumably to be used as an emoticon (?) see: Code_page_437

don't know enough about this to comment on it in the article, but maybe it should be mentioned?

also: \o/ wahoo?

--Dak (talk) 18:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It isn't the only one with a smiley as a character. ASCII codes 0x00 and 0x01 represent a smiley face as well; they are ☺ and ☻ respectively. As these characters weren't easily accessible on early systems, they weren't much used back then, but they are still there. :)

-- 148.223.197.98 (talk) 23:39, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

126 Year old emoticons
While researching an old magazine from 1881 (on microfilm at the library). I noticed something on the page to the right. Those might very well be the oldest known Emoticons in the true sense. They call it typographical art. P.S.: it's satirical magazine.--Dschwen 22:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, they copylefted them! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.162.6.58 (talk) 03:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this image should also be added, the cutout doesn't give a feeling that it's old.-- &#65293; Cy21 ➜ discuss 09:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

BIXie should be here {^_^}
I would have guessed that Bixie (BIXie) would redirect here, but since it's one of three possible meanings it's been transwikied (over to Wiktionary) instead. Should I leave it like that (are all three usages about equally often found, is that even a consideration), would that be better than replacing the presently blank page with a redirect here? Schissel | Sound the Note! 00:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Anyone who remembers BIX from the old days of BBSs (Bulletin Board Systems) should remember the original BIXies from Jdow. Jdow deserves a lot of the credit for bringing about the popularity of todays emoticons.  Jdow is a communications engineer and was a sysop in the Amiga pages for BIX.  There are several BIXies besides the {^_^} used in the subject line.  I can recall but a few: {@_@} {O_O} {O_o} {o_o} {^_-}.  BIXie is not found at wiktionary either. Barronm (talk) 22:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * And now it's gone altogether! Bixie @jargonfile —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.162.6.58 (talk) 03:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * So what is up with BIXie? Any sources?  It seems a crime that some history is getting brushed aside. Alatari (talk) 07:43, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Why is this here?
nwn (Meaning one is super happy)

control + f to get the location. --142.162.64.21 (talk) 19:12, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If you can;t find a reliable source then delete it. People are always trying to add their own sub cultures emoticons that are not in widespread usage. Alatari (talk) 08:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I mean that it is just out of place, randomly thrown into the article, it may have use I'm not quite sure but it seems like words have been deleted around it. --142.162.69.96 (talk) 20:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Other Emoticons...
Here is a list of other emoticons, and their definitions:

@_@ (It can either mean crazy, or stressed, or even that your vision's starting to act up!)

^^ (It means amused, happy, in a more casual, cool way, adding a bit of zest to texting conversations since you aren't using the classic, ":-)" or ":)" or "=)")

!_! (It means shocked. Unlike the more commonly used ":O," this one shows both shock, disappointment and that something you didn't want to happen occurred.)

=S (It means speechless, or tongue-tied. This is useful for people who don't really know what to say!)

U_U (It mean asleep, but in a more mocking, annoying way, depending on the font you are using.)

<:)>>>>>>>> (It represents Albus Dumbledore, from the famous Harry Potter series. A common depiction of this emoticon would be that the "<" before the ":" represents Albus's pointed wizard hat, the ":)" representing Albus's face, and the long set of ">" would show his comically long beard.

Wow! signal
If you look at the scan of the Wow! signal (here), you'll notice that the dot of the exclamation mark looks quite clearly like a :D. This could be a handwritten emote from 1977! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.224.148.118 (talk) 22:43, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Emoticons and the Future of Written Language
Emoticons have become a very significant shorthand for the vast majority of writers and computer users. I think it important that we consider how they will influence the evolution of written human communications, in both actual and virtual formats. Further, these easy to use characters represent the re-entry of a pictographic lexicon to the Arabic (and related) alphabets of the World, and the modification of semi-picto Eastern languages. The emoticon will be solidified in all corospondence at all but the most ultra protocolic levels by the end of the 21st century, a.c.e. (i.e.: only such communications as the official invites by the Queen of England, et al., will exclude them. Emily Post, we may not be feeling your pain. ;^D ). An addition to this article (or new article) exploring this extention of human communication would be of general interest. Jopower (talk) 21:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Uneeded one
At the bottom of the list there is a emoticon for "Fuck you", should this be there?
 * I think I removed the one you are talking about. VMS Mosaic (talk) 04:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

How can I search for use of ":)" and other emoticons in Wikipedia?
If I search in all namespaces for ":)", I get nothing while I guess some users wrote emoticons such as ":)" in talk pages or on their user pages.

The URL for the query is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&redirs=1&search=%3A%29&fulltext=Search&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns108=1&ns109=1&title=Special%3ASearch&advanced=1&fulltext=Advanced+search What do I do wrong? Thanks! --phauly (talk) 14:45, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I cross posted this question at Help_desk/Archives/2010_August_9 and there there are some answers, but nothing that works still. Can you help me, please? Thanks! phauly (talk) 09:19, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

"Surprise !!."
This interpretation of 8====D surprises me indeed. So far, anything I've seen starting with 8 and continuing with several equal signs has indicated a penis. Possibly misleading and could result in a few unpleasant "surprises" for some people?

i would also like a source that this means suprise and is not normally done as a prank with the line suprise to shock people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.91.9.153 (talk) 03:20, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

More sources
I found: WhisperToMe (talk) 00:03, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Bartz, Andrea and Brenna Ehrlich. "Let's all eradicate the emoticon." CNN. December 8, 2010.

Common eastern examples
There is something wrong with the Common eastern examples on the page. who can fix this? Lotje ツ (talk) 08:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

About the ¬¬ redirection
If ¬ redirects to Negation why ¬¬ doesn't redirect to double negation ? --TiagoTiago (talk) 04:52, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The redirect has been fixed by User:Bility. John Vandenberg (chat) 06:03, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Metaemoticon
Is this original research? The reference is to a Facebook set of comments. Just because someone says something as fact, doesn't to me seem to establish truth... ~Cortal UX Talk? 02:22, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Non-Western characters
Why are "ᶘ ᵒᴥᵒᶅ" these unreadable non-Western characters in the English language Wiki? Standard Google Chrome install won't read them. Alatari (talk) 09:36, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Standard Firefox displays them just fine, as does standard Internet Explorer on my standard Windows 7 machine. Even if no Westerner could see them without installing a separate font library, they should still be included as we're recording emoticons used in the entire world, not just the Western hemisphere. As long as the article text is in English I don't see a problem. That being said, an image with some standard Eastern emoticons might be useful for people that can't see all the characters. — Bility (talk) 19:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Taiwanese style?
Can someone add the Taiwanese style? --Shinkansen Fan (talk) 02:16, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

\o/
This used to redirect here, but it was changed to redirect to victory. Neither this page nor victory mentions "\o/". \o/ gives a good explanation. What to do? John Vandenberg (chat) 06:01, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

You don't need to tilt your head.
The Japanese style section reads, "Users from Japan popularized a style of emoticons that can be understood without tilting one's head to the left.". People don't actually tilt their head when reading western emoticons. This should say something like "emoticons that face upright", or something like that. GreyAlien502 01:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GreyAlien502 (talk • contribs)

while you do not need to tilt head it is read in such a way that to truly get the image your head should tilt 90%. if i wrote upside down you do not technically need to stand upside down to read it but the empathise is that it will nto be easy unless you are upside down (or grow up reading in this method) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.91.9.153 (talk) 03:18, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Left-to-right?
Usually, the emoticon in Western style is written from left to right, the way one reads and writes in most Western cultures. Thus, most commonly, emoticons have the eyes on the left, followed by nose and the mouth. The two character version :) which omits the nose is also very popular.

Am I missing something? I see no reason why having the eyes on the left has anything to do with the fact that we read left-to-right. I occasionally see and sometimes even type "(:" —in which case I can only suppose that I read the mouth first and then the eyes. I get the impression the above claim is completely spurious. Any thoughts? —Noiratsi (talk) 14:00, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I updated the article —Noiratsi (talk) 09:25, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Slang for emoticon ... 'Emot' not here
FREQUENTLY chat rooms will make use of the slang "emot" as a short had version of "emoticon". There is no reference to the slang (by search or by sub article or section) for the term "emot". Suggest it be added in some form. Bomarc (talk) 11:05, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Broken Section
The section "Western use of Japanese style" has a broken header that makes it look like this on the page:

===Western use of Japanese style===

Plz fix. I tried to already but it wont work...

24.187.191.151 (talk) 22:10, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

k,mkl — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.26.231.58 (talk) 02:45, 5 August 2013 (UTC)