Talk:English national identity

Three qualities universally admitted to be characteristic of the English nation?
A User didn't want this (ahem) "interesting" addition deleted without a sojourn to Talk. Well, here we are.

Deleted text read:

--Mais oui! (talk) 07:00, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * "At least three qualities are universally admitted to be characteristic of the English nation: courage, common sense, and an incorruptible spirit of fair play"

Removing Section on Cricket
I certainly have sympathy for this edit. The article did very much put undue emphasis on cricket, giving the impression that this was practically the sole influence on "English national identity."

On the other hand, this article is otherwise effectively just a stub. One might expect that a proper article on the topic would indeed have a paragraph on cricket--as well as others on (what?) cream teas, thatched cottages, the colonial heritage, the north/south divide, and whatever else may be imagined to contribute to such an identity.

If we remove everything, we stifle the chance to expand the article. As such, I propose to reintroduce some of the information that was taken out, and indicate that this is an article that requires significant expansion. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 22:49, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Apologies for taking the easy option with problematic content, which is to wipe it in its entirety (the additions here were something I had specifically referred to in the ANI discussion). I'd agree with what you've done in reinserting some of it, with a bit more balance and making it more about sport as a whole.  N-HH   talk / edits  23:15, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'd already referred to this page somewhere as problematic.  But I always hope that something can be salvaged of any good-faith addition to a Wikipedia article.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 23:37, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Is 'Brexit' [sic] an expression of English nationalism?
I have some links, but would appreciate some input. Fergananim (talk) 13:51, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * http://www.lancashiretradeunions.org.uk/?p=140

Requested move 7 January 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Not Moved  Mike Cline (talk) 12:57, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

English national identity → Englishness – 'Englishness' is the common name for this identity, used in many reliable sources and publications on the subject. Google Books Ngram Viewer search shows that 'Englishness' vastly exceeding the current title. This would also be WP:CONSISTENT with Britishness, which I find to be a bonus. Heanor (talk) 12:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Showiecz (talk) 06:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Not supported by current references.  Too informal.  The nom makes the foolish ngram mistake of comparing a three word phrase to a one word phrase, this is hopeless flawed.  --SmokeyJoe (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 08:58, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should this exist?
Should this even exist? It's based in little fact and is a rather scrambled read. I'd suggest this just get deleted. 2603:6000:B2F0:740:DD8C:16A3:A8D5:D891 (talk) 05:32, 28 January 2023 (UTC)


 * @2603:6000:B2F0:740:DD8C:16A3:A8D5:D891: A cursory look tells me the sourcing could use some improvement, but I see no lack of factuality; this is an abstract concept, after all. We do not delete articles because they're not yet perfect. If you see issues, fix them. Heavy Water (talk) 05:41, 28 January 2023 (UTC)