Talk:Eurasian Economic Union/Archives/2020

Protected edit request on 25 December 2014
The Eurasian Economic Union (EEU) will be an economic union of states located primarily in northern Eurasia. A treaty aiming for the establishment of the EEU was signed on 29 May 2014 by the leaders of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia, and will come into force on 1 January 2015. Treaties aiming for Armenia's and Kyrgyzstan's accession to the Eurasian Economic Union were signed on 9 October 2014 and 23 December respectively. Armenia's accession treaty will come into force on 2 January 2015. Although Kyrgyzstan is an acceding member of the EEU,    its accession treaty and full fledged membership will come into force by May 2015.

Reason: Many media outlets state that Kyrgyzstan has already joined the EEU, however other outlets state "full implementation of the accession treaty will happen by May 29". In order to ensure compliance and accuracy with all sources, Kyrgyzstan should be presented as a member but reminders that the full protocols and full implementation will happen by May 2015 should be retained. If this isn't applied, Wikipedia would be conflicting with multiple media outlets.

—Krastama (talk) 14:05, 26 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree, that would be the most logical and acceptable solution.--Therexbanner (talk) 20:08, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * "member" vs. "full fledged membership" ?!? - Either a state is a member or it isn't.
 * As said above: Maybe that treaty contains a clause about its provisional application. Maybe Kyrgyzstan will participate in the EEU's activities on a provisional basis - but that would still not make it a member state - and the infobox should reflect this.
 * something like "Kyrgyzstan - Accession treaty with provisional application - Membership pending ratification" (If that's the case at all)Knisfo (talk) 23:41, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Ummm, well seeing that once a country makes decisions to join a bloc, according to the world trade organisation the state needs to implement trade treaties and rules as if it is in it even before its completely joins. Also the legislation and the market needs to be harmonized beforehand. I understand why this is an issue, but this simply isn't "black or white" "in or out". Decisions can't really be done in the union if Kyrgyzstan disagrees, which is why it participates at every EEU summit. Decisions and legislation now needs to be translated in Kyrgyz. Also people investing in the union's market will be impacted by the country being in it. Seeing that it has a huge say in the decision making and has a veto to changes, I personally think it should be in the infobox.---Krastama (talk) 18:25, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should also make "although Kyrgyzstan is an acceding member of the EEU" like in the box. It would be like the EU status although Kyrgyzstan has more of a say than members acceding EU.-Katenzz (talk) 20:11, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Katenzz, I added your change---Krastama (talk) 22:37, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * This idea sounds like the most sensible one to me. I live in Azberbaijan which is close to Armenia. Media here says Kyrgyzstan joined the union but its lagging behind in implementation of some things because it's mostly an agriculture oriented country.-Katenzz (talk) 00:18, 27 December 2014 (UTC) (You queue-jumped (again))Knisfo (talk) 00:42, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess this is the way to go. I support this edit—Mentoroso (talk) 11:02, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
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 * Hi Technical, I removed some citations as asked.---Krastama (talk) 18:25, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
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Kyrgyzstan
I won't correct anything, since I mostly edit in the Spanish Wikipedia, but I'd warn you that this article is quite not updated since Kyrgyzstan joined the bloc on 22 May 2015. Anyway, as I'm aware of the arrogance and the supremacist thinking of the anglo-saxonic editors, I'm just warning and I won't do anything. It's up to you, like a Cambodian friend of mine says.Viet-hoian1 (talk) 03:54, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Please refrain from posting ethnic bigotry and stick to the topic of the article.
 * Your claim above is not correct. As the source you link to very clearly says "All that remains now for Kyrgyzstan’s complete accession to the EEU is ratification of the treaty by the parliaments of the other members–Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus and Armenia." As of last week, Kazakhstan had not completed the process. Once it joins of course it should be added, but we shouldn't prematurely claim it is a member when this is incorrect. TDL (talk) 04:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Just to follow up, Kyrgyzstan joined on 6 August. TDL (talk) 22:38, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was taken by mistake by the information provided by this apparently not very accurate news site: World Bulletin). I guess this news site either can't be trusted as a reliable source, or, if generally speaking, it may eventually be considered as a reliable source (though clearly not, in this case), it made a gross mistake that led me to edit erroneous informations. And I guess most wikipedias, at least the ones that I consulted, made the same mistake. I've already corrected the edition in the Spanish Wikipedia, which is the one where I edit most frequently. I'm really sorry that I made such a confusion based on false informations, based on a source that I had not previously considered as an unreliable source. Greetings and apologies! Viet-hoian1 (talk) 20:10, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
 * By the way, the other source I mentioned previously also gave the same false information. Viet-hoian1 (talk) 20:13, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Trade agreements section
There is something odd about the CISFTA. The link in the last column links to a old treaty, while according to the table, while the links in the source speak about 2011/2012. Furthermore, the table suggests the treaty came into force between the EEU and one of the 3 other CISFTA states at a certain date, while it is also possible, that the CISFTA didn't enter into force for all EEU states at the same date. Do we have a title with signatures and ratifications so we can make a separate table for the Free trade area, and separate it from the Free Trade Agreements? L.tak (talk) 19:07, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ I fixed the column link with the right treaty text from the World Trade Organisaiton website. Details about the history of the CISFTA should be made on the CISFTA wikipedia page. The goal of this article should be only to show current FTAs in force and FTAs being negotiatiated.—Mentoroso (talk) 11:16, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link. I think I have the dates correct now:

From this table, my problem becomes clear. The table on our page only shows Ukraine, Uzbekistan and Moldova and their entry into force, which suggests that is the entry into force of the relations with the EEU (member states), but in fact it is the entry into force date with a selected number of EEU members that have already ratified (and not e.g. Kyrgyz republic). Wouldn't it be wiser to either add dates for all, or add dates for none, in stead of only for these 3? L.tak (talk) 18:39, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I added a note to clarify what you said, and linked it to the CISFTA page. Adding the CISFTA table on the EEU page would be off topic, and most readers interested in specifics would go to the CISFTA page anyway. Also, most EEU member states enforce the treaty between September and December 2012. The only exception being Kyrgyzstan. So a couple months doesn't make it as bad as it seems.—Mentoroso (talk) 20:09, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Iran update
Signed an agreement Lihaas (talk) 13:18, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Interesting, seems to be some kind of step towards an FTA... L.tak (talk) 14:04, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Possible ascension to the EAEU as early as February 2018? Makes me wonder if a note should be added regarding Iran as a prospective future member 71.17.25.13 (talk) 22:48, 28 December 2017 (UTC)