Talk:Fatburger

No Longer Any Colorado Locations
A web search on 6/6/2011 supports information received privately that there are currently no Colorado Fatburger locations. Confirmed by search on Fatburgers web site *. At least two former Colorado Fatburger locations (now Epic Grill at Aurora City Place, Aurora and River Point at Sheridan, Sheridan) are converting to non-franchise restaurants.Terry (talk) 22:48, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Updated Fatburgers in California Number
In case there is any concern I have lowered the number of Fatburgers in California by two for two reasons. One, two in my area (the only two) closed and I confirmed the number 41 with the Fatburger website. If anyone has information that their website may be incorrect then feel free to change it back but I do know two Fatburgers closed and the website does not list them any longer, listing only 41 locations in California. Raj O Mac 07:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Fatburger founder dies
This piece provides additional info on the early days of the company, before it sold. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deeceevoice (talk • contribs) 16:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
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Awards
Fatburger wins quality and "best burger" awards frequently at a local and national level so I put the awards mention in the intro part. It needs to be researched as to how many and where. These references need to be placed to distinguish Fatburger from regular burger places. People who frequent Fatburger understand it is not a typical burger place and that is why the chain is successful, like In-n-Out they have their own thing going on and it makes a difference. Grammpoe-x (talk) 18:38, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Several Sections are Outdated
I'm trying to bring several sections up-to-date and I've noticed my revisions are being rolled back. Before rolling back valid/cited updates, please indicate what your issue is precisely via the talk page.

Here's a couple of examples of recent udpates that were rolled back:

Lead: currently indicates: "the chain operates in 11 other countries" when it actually operates in over 29 countries.

History: I'm trying to clarify the actual history, for instance "It was originally named "Mr. Fatburger," and I'm clarifying this further by specifying, "originally named “Mr. Fatburger” (on behalf of Lovie’s boyfriend)"

History: A major part of the history of this restaurant has to do with rap music and rappers who have not only mentioned the Fatburger name in lyrics, but have owned franchises as well. Recent roll-backs to this section have completely removed all of this relevant history simply because the user who performed the edits seems to have no appreciation for rap music. Or, at least that was the comment made in the revision history. Specifically: "this is really badly written, the last thing it needed was more rap lyrics"

Here's the section in question:

Forbes Magazine published an article on 15 October 2007 titled "Celebrities love Fatburger - Juicy Tale" promoting all the Hollywood celebrities who have bought into the global giant. Fatburger was also a touchstone in West Coast hip-hop well before hip-hop moguls began opening restaurants in the franchise. Ice Cube mentions it in his hit song "It Was A Good Day": "No helicopter looking for a murder / Two in the mornin' got the Fatburger." In the song 'Late Night' by Tupac Shakur and DJ Quik, Tupac says 'The club be poppin so I'm stoppin at the Fat Burger'. Fatburger was sometimes referenced even by East Coast rappers as emblematic of California culture. The Notorious B.I.G. dedicated a line to Fatburger in 'Goin back to Cali', where he says 'take her to Fatburger', and the Beastie Boys mention it in "The New Style": "I chill at White Castle 'cause it's the best / But I'm fly at Fatburger when I'm way out west." Rapper 50 Cent & The Game with G-Unit tags Fatburger in God’s Plan: The Game, “You want the drama, I’ll bring the beef, like I work at Fatburger seven days a week.” Hip-hop rapper The Game, in See no Evil, says, “No peace. So don’t get caught up with no piece. F&%! Fatburger, we cooking the real beef.”

Danrobertson2014 (talk) 23:03, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Number of countries
Fine, my mistake.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:56, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Mr. Fatburger
You didn't make any edits about this that I could see. It's already in there, but if you have more detail by all means, put it in.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:56, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Rap lyrics
You're seriously asserting that "a major part of the history" of the restaurant has to do with its mentions in songs of any type? The history?? I didn't take out anything about famous owners, but, even if the fact that the restaurant is mentioned in a lot of songs belongs in this article, and that's debatable, there's no way it's part of the history of the restaurant. That's such a peculiar assertion to make. Is there any indication besides one article in Forbes that this is a super-important or even interesting thing about Fatburger? All kinds of businesses get mentioned in all kinds of songs. So what? Furthermore the material is full of original research, e.g. the assertion that "Fatburger was sometimes referenced even by East Coast rappers as emblematic of California culture" followed by a bunch of examples. This is contrary to WP:OR. There's no indication that any of these mentions are important in understanding the restaurant, and, even if they are, without an independent secondary source saying so or otherwise indicating their relevance I think they should be omitted. Even if they're not omitted they don't belong in the "History" section. You can stop with the speculations about my musical taste, by the way, which are super-irrelevant.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:56, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying in this case. You seem to disagree in a rather subjective way. Most of the lyric references were already in place, I simply added to them. I'd be willing to move the references to their own section, if your objection is that they don't belong in the history. Yes? Danrobertson2014 (talk) 15:31, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Why is my disagreement subjective? What's your objective reason for including the material?  Also, can you address the original research question?  The fact that they were already in place isn't an argument for including them.  I would have taken them out before if I'd noticed them.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 15:37, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I feel like it's an interesting cultural element that's unique to Fatburger. I will try and find some citations to support this. Danrobertson2014 (talk) 17:21, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * That would be excellent. As I said I have no objection to the material per se, and I'm as happy as anyone when I hear Fatburger get a shout-out in a song (not to mention Zankou Chicken, another LA musician fave).  But Los Angeles being what it is, the number of restaurant mentions in song lyrics is high, and it's hard to tell what their relevance to the restaurants may be, and thus I think it's important to let secondary sources tell us the weight that's due them in our articles.  If there are sources, let's go to town!&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 17:30, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I was able to find a major news source that references the importance of Fatburger in California hip hop culture. Here's the relevant passage and citation: Fatburger has achieved near cult status in California culture, much thanks to references in popular hip hop music. Ice Cub mentions the restaurant chain in his 1993 hit "It Was A Good Day," as did Tupac Shakur in "Late Night," a track off his posthumous 2002 album "Better Dayz." What are your thoughts? Danrobertson2014 (talk) 17:01, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and added a relevant section to the history section per this conversation. Please respond here on the talk page if you have questions/concerns. Danrobertson2014 (talk) 19:24, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

What you're not saying
The main thing that caught my attention was your removal of this without comment: On August 15, 2003, Fog Cutter Capital Group completed a $6 million investment and financing package for the company. Fatburger operates or franchises 101 restaurants, and Fog Cutter has announced the company will open 30 more in 2011. Why?&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:56, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I wasn't removing it, I was moving it to the history section. Your roll-backs and other edits interrupted that process. I felt it belonged in the history section, because it was a milestone in the restaurant's past; a point in which the restaurant would have failed otherwise. Danrobertson2014 (talk) 15:31, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * OK, that's fair. I'm sorry, and will put it back in post-haste.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 15:38, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Danrobertson2014 (talk) 17:44, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

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"over 19 other countries"
So, that's like 20?

The phrase "over ..X" would mean there are at least X + 1  and  for some reason we cannot provide an exact number. There might be "over 1,000" bottles in a restaurant's wine cellar, with the exact number varying with sales. A smaller restaurant, OTOH, might say they have "over 14 wines on tap" to make 15 sound larger.

I can't readily imagine a case where the number of countries this chain is in would change so frequently as to justify anything other than a number, perhaps with an "as of" qualification. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 17:23, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

No longer in the UAE
Fatburger is no more in the United Arab Emirates. The list of countries section needs to be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enricof76 (talk • contribs) 08:26, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

In Popular Culture
King Tee makes reference to Fatburger in 1987's "Ya Better Bring A Gun" and Ice Cube mentions them in 1992's It Was A Good Day "You decide to take a ride down the Crenshaw strip You stop at the Fatburger to feed your lip" King Tee, Ya Better Bring A Gun, Techno Hop Records

"Didn't even see a Barry flashin' those high beams No helicopter looking for a murder Two in tha mornnin', got tha Fatburger" Ice Cube, It Was A Good Day, Priority Records 136.56.10.13 (talk) 03:38, 21 December 2021 (UTC)