Talk:Feminist views on the Oedipus complex

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Should the "en" be there in line 9 of the section on 'Nancy Chodorow’s view' ? AussieOzborn au 08:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

This page could use a lot of work, content-and style-wise. The section on Deutsch reads like it was automatically translated from another language, or translated by someone who's deailng with English as a very secondary second language; the Irigaray is haphazard & all three lack detail & clarity. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about the theorists mentioned, or other feminist psychoanalytic critics, to do much, but--here's a plea for someone who does to take some time and improve this page. PoetrixViridis 03:55, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, I took some time to improve the page. Hope this helps. Doraannao (talk) 00:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC) I hope that someone can create special sections for Melanie Klein, for K. Horney and for J. Riviere. Doraannao (talk) 00:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

"reaons" — Is that a spelling error within quotes that we are supposed to allow because it is misspelled in the source, or just an error that some editor should fix, and are those scare quotes? I get beat black and blue when I correct spelling within quotations. Chris the speller (talk) 17:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it should be called 'Females and the Oedipus Complex' because I found nothing to with feminism in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.28.245.123 (talk) 18:22, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Women attracted
Chodorow says women fall in love rationally, but this is hardly always the case.

The example is: woman falls in love for a rough boy, which is unwise because he later drinks and is abusive husband.

That is one of the lines of attraction. The second goes towards the "male with biggest territory", the females all fall in love with him. They are attracted as a group towards the handsome president, and they give him their vote. The rich man and the position with authority are equally attractive to females.

While riches may go into animalistic perception of the male with biggest conquered territory, and hence probably the best genes, position of authority in an organized group of people indicates greatest phallus.

Even in church, church girls all fall in love with young pastor, and they pray to get him - never with guy in troubles who actually needs prayers. The latter is being psychologically castrated, and he feels inadequate to approach the girls. Even if he does he is ridiculed, as being perceived of inadequate phallus. Being the omega male, he is then punished for the rude attempt to spread inadequate genes on the territory of the alpha male. -- Mtodorov 69 (talk) 08:38, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Gyn Talk (Visual Fiction)
For your information, editor Dzied Bulbash has removed the Wikipedia article Gyn Talk (Visual Fiction) from the category Feminism and Health three times. (Editor Dakinijones had placed the article Gyn Talk (Visual Fiction) in the category of Feminism and Health on August 18, 2008.) Bulbash currently has placed this article about a series of paintings about women’s health in the Articles for Deletion page. Perhaps this information might be of interest because of the possibility that editor Dzied Bulbash may take action to remove further articles, such as this article titled Feminism and the Oedipus complex, from Wikipedia that are in the category of Feminism and Health. If anyone would like to share your thoughts on this matter of deletion of the article titled Gyn Talk (Visual Fiction), there is a discussion on the entry Gyn Talk (Visual Fiction) on the Articles for Deletion Page. Thank you very much. Joseph Levi (talk) 00:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Females or Feminists?
This article hasn't developed because it's neither about females or feminists on Freud. Yes, the named women did grapple with Freud's theories, but there were relatively few who took him all that seriously. (Women have been quietly rolling their eyes at men's theories about women for a very long time even when they dared not say so).

A much larger issue is that, in the 1970s the women's movement, in support groups in which they told their life experiences, women uncovered the appalling frequency of incest and child molestation. This had been covered up by Freud's Oedipus complex and silenced for over 70 years and the silence was broken.

And, as many survivors have now testified, they found adult sexuality traumatic and that it was imposed on them, most often through manipulation and only sometimes through direct force. (The physical response of infants is often nausea and vomiting because their neurological systems are so overwhelmed).

Freud's hypotheses are disconnected from basic realities that even most laypeople understand. Little girls in intact healthy family systems bond to their mother as infants and identify with her as similar, and only later realize their father is different--and they follow their mother as how to be a woman. Little boys break away from their mother around 2 1/2-3 yrs to follow their father. In single-parent families children don't have immediate role models but they usually figure them out. These probably have more to do with male testosterone and men's tendency to greater aggressiveness and competitivenss in contrast to women's hormonal cycles and how these affect women's view of life. The whole issue of adult sexuality is something children grow into after the beginning of puberty.

If there ever was anything about "penis envy" it was about the power men had at that time (and for many centuries) to publically define reality and impose their views.--205.167.120.201 (talk) 19:53, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Afterthought--in rereading the article and thinking about Freud's theories, they are an extremely perverted understanding of children, sexuality, women and life itself. Freud did lay a foundation of psychiatry from which to start, but the only good in the Oedipus complex was that Freudianism kept discussion of sex with children in the open--even when it blamed the victims.--205.167.120.201 (talk) 20:09, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 9 October 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain t/ c 17:39, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Feminism and the Oedipus complex → Feminist views on the Oedipus complex – The current title is a case of WP:AND. I have no strong opinion on how this article should be renamed, but I know what we have now is inappropriate. f eminist 14:09, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nomination. The argument regarding WP:AND is persuasive and the proposed replacement title seems appropriate, however, suggestions for other titles would be also welcome. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 19:21, 9 October 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.