Talk:Fishing in Turkey

possible improvements
Gallery? More sources https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkiye-ranks-first-in-aquaculture-production-in-eu-177195

https://wsrw.org/en/news/turkey-continues-massive-fishmeal-imports

Hook lion fish? Chidgk1 (talk) 15:03, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Previous seas section
If Turkish Wikipedia ever cites these paras we could consider putting them back in

The Black Sea meets 76% of Turkey's fish production. 3 crustaceans and 38 fish species are caught, especially anchovy. Of fish caught from the Black Sea; 61.5% anchovy, 26% sprat, 4.3% Black Sea horse mackerel, 2% bonito. 5% of the fishing in the Black Sea is done by Russia, 1% by Bulgaria, 0.05% by Romania, the rest by Turkey. Turkey catches 93% of the anchovy caught in the Black Sea.

The Sea of Marmara provides 10% of the average production. In Marmara, which is the second fish resource after the Black Sea, there is a problem of algal bloom and marine mucilage after 2007. There are fluctuations in the amount of catch in the Aegean Sea. Although the anchovy and horse mackerel catch increased, a decrease is observed in other species. While the catch of red mullet, baccalaureate, whiting, mullet and bonito in the Mediterranean is decreasing, the catch of shrimp and cuttlefish is increasing. In the Mediterranean, 86 Indo-Pacific Lessepsian fish species were seen arriving via the Suez Canal. Chidgk1 (talk) 08:30, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Moving "Fishing in Turkey" to "Fishing industry in Turkey"
@Chidgk1 Also, related to what we were talking about earlier, but I'm moving all "Fishing in [country]" articles to "Fishing industry in [country]" articles, in order to make all fishing industry articles "linear" with each other. Recreational fishing is still technically part of the fishing industry, as stated in Fishing industry and defined by the FAO. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 15:08, 31 March 2024 (UTC)


 * You are right that recreational fishing is still technically part of the fishing industry, but someone new to the subject might not know that so might give up before even starting to read the article if they were only interested in recreational fishing. Also the current title is simpler. Chidgk1 (talk) 15:38, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Chidgk1 That's why there are individual sections, so that someone can look for the "Recreational fishing" heading and get whatever information they need. It's still part of the fishing industry, and as I said before, makes more sense. Simplicity doesn't matter. If anything, something like "Recreational fishing in Turkey" could be made as a redirect to the recreational fishing section. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 15:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah I see it is not actually called simplicity but Article titles Chidgk1 (talk) 16:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Chidgk1 This, again, doesn't matter. "Fishing in Turkey" excludes aquaculture, specifically because aquaculture is NOT fishing. Fishing industry would include aquaculture. I'm not quite understanding your argument. Again, "Fishing in Turkey" could always be made as a redirect, allowing people who search for fishing to still reach the article. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 16:56, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I see there are two global articles Fishing and Fishing industry. You are right that the fishing article does not include aquaculture but on the other hand it does include some things I also wish to add here ,such as fisheries management. As it seems we are not going to agree on this I will ask for a third opinion. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:04, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I did not get a clear answer last year at Talk:Agriculture in Wales but if necessary I could move aquaculture to the ag article. Chidgk1 (talk) 17:10, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Chidgk1 Aquaculture simply, as mentioned by the other user, be kept in or moved to the "Fishing industry in [country]" articles. Also, fisheries management is part of the fishing industry, so if you need, you can add a new section addressing that. All in all, fishing industry would make the topic broader, allowing for users to find everything related to fishing in one place instead of needing to navigate multiple articles. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 17:14, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I have asked at Third opinion Chidgk1 (talk) 17:21, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @SonOfYoutubers Forgot to mention - the third opinion is only for this article - I am not interested in any other fishing article. I will accept the 3rd opinion. Will you? Chidgk1 (talk) 17:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * There isn't even a response yet. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 19:43, 1 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Because aquaculture is not fishing, but it is part of the fishing industry. Overall, that title fits better. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 03:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That's a pretty technical distinction. There's a section for Fish farms in the general Fishing article that mentions aquaculture, so why can't aquaculture be discussed in "Fishing in Turkey"? From my hour or so looking into fishing and aquaculture pages, it seems like "fishing" is the general topic, with "fishing industry" as a subtopic of "fishing," and aquaculture as a subtopic of "fishing industry". I'd also say aquaculture is more properly addressed as a subtopic of agriculture than as a sub-subtopic of fishing, but it's certainly not out of bounds to have some mention of aquaculture on a fishing page.
 * Let's look at it from a different angle. Here's a quote from WP:CRITERIA: "The choice of article titles should put the interests of readers before those of editors, and those of a general audience before those of specialists." As a member of the general audience, if I was looking for information about aquaculture in Turkey, I would not be at all surprised to find it in an article titled "Fishing in Turkey", but if I was looking for information about recreational fishing, I would be mildly surprised to find it in "Fishing industry in Turkey". (Sure, you may be technically correct that recreational fishing is considered part of the fishing industry, but as a member of the general audience, I would not have guessed that before looking at this third opinion request.)
 * Anyway, an opinion was requested, and now an opinion has been given. I'll leave it up to you fine folks to let it inform your decision making process as you see fit. Good luck to you both. Wburrow (talk) 05:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Wburrow Thank you very much. As the aquaculture section needs expanding I will do that first (otherwise I would forget) then move it to the agriculture article with a heading of “fish farming” then excerpt it back here. That way wherever readers look they will find it. Chidgk1 (talk) 08:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
 * moved section and excerpted but left heading as aquaculture Chidgk1 (talk) 09:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

new source
https://news.iwlearn.net/safeguarding-the-seas

hopefully i will look at this soon but feel free to do so and add Chidgk1 (talk) 07:23, 6 June 2024 (UTC)