Talk:Florence and the Machine

Florence Welch
This section feels very fan written to me and I was wondering if anyone would consider a slight rewrite? Nothing to do with the content really, just doesn't flow very well. syrafex (talk) 00:26, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree. brob (talk) 17:42, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Her date of birth is also incorrect. She is 22-24. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.14.115.116 (talk) 23:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC) What is it then? Any evidence to back it up?brob (talk) 17:42, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

IMDB has her at 8/28/86 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3506828/bio —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.181.137.90 (talk) 05:16, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

A birthday in 86 would make her 23-24 which would be about right as per above comments —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.247.162 (talk) 00:36, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Isn't quote 9 being misused? To me it sounds like in the quote Nick Welch is trying to say he had very little influence: "If I nudged Flo in any way it's only been to listen to The Ramones rather than Green Day", but it is used to try and imply the opposite, ie that he feels he had a strong influence on her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.248.102.81 (talk) 00:00, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

She's denied having dyslexia and dysmetria, stating she only has dyspraxia here: http://juiceonline.com/features/interview-florence-the-machine/ Plus, the source for her having those two is 404'd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.221.120 (talk) 00:25, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

where Welch states, "Wikipedia is not really a good source of information." (ibid). Jabberwoch (talk) 14:57, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Album Chart
I think the fact the album reached number 2 in the UK charts (for 2 weeks), behind Michael Jackson, is a relevant detail that needs to be included, as this album would have been at number 1 if not for Jackson's untimely death. Can people stop changing this relevant information and stop removing citations, please. George5210 (talk) 15:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I have altered the first paragraph slightly as is was geared heavily toward Florence herself when in fact they are a band and thus the other members deserve to be included as much. It is not a solo artist... can people please stop chopping and changing it now. # MrsTittermouse

Disproportion?
This is quite a long article about someone of quite, er, modest achievement so far. She's not exactly Kate Bush... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.82.160 (talk) 22:10, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


 * She's not even Kate Nash! FemmyV (talk) 16:25, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * These comments are very funny in retrospect. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 20:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

But 'er' this is Wikipedia, it's an encyclopaedia, and if the information is relevant, than it should be allowed to stay. The whole point of this website is to inform people fully, we don't want a load of stub articles. George5210 (talk) 15:19, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Name Syntax
Shouldn't the article be Florence + The Machine. This is the correct syntax of the name on all the official literature, website and so on. Obviously the current name should also re-direct. See here http://www.myspace.com/florenceandthemachinemusic --Footix2 (talk) 09:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * There doesn't seem to be much consistency in this. On the band's artwork, they do indeed use a "plus" sign rather than the word "and", and all letters except the "F" are lower case. They use "and" on their Myspace when the band name is typed, and on their Youtube page they use the "plus" sign, the word "and" and the ampersand ("&") in a pretty haphazard way, with the middle words sometimes being capitalised and sometimes not (although "Machine" is consistently capitalised). I think that using characters to replace the word "and" might confuse search engines, but I'm no expert on these things ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 15:19, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thats one reason why I haven't changed it yet, wasnt sure if wikipedia coul cope with the + sign, though Queen + Paul Rodgers seems to work fine. This page and other redirects could easily be redirected onto a Florence + The Machine page. Im guessing her popularity will go up once her album comes out, so hopefully we can get a consensus one way or the other as the page gets more popular. --Footix2 (talk) 18:25, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Seems harsh to me to refer to using "and" instead of + as "misspelling." It's like when folks make a big deal about how you're supposed to have "of" in "of Montreal" in lowercase, or spell the movie "Se7en". If titles are idiosyncratically spelled/rendered for no particular reason ("Dont Look Back" or something), we can note that in a neutral fashion without saying people are wrong. EDIT: I checked out some similar pages and think it works best if the article name matches the first name given ("and" spelled out, that is), and after that is "styled as '+'". I think it's a good compromise, no? Rufusgriffin (talk) 20:22, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Gigs in 2008.
Are you sure of the T in the park gig in 2008? I can't find this performance then, only in 2009...

Best, aegis maelstrom δ 14:49, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Split
I've split the discog into a separate article, per Jonny's suggestion and reverted the splitting of the awards. HJ Mitchell |  fancy a chat?   02:31, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Works much better! Freshpop (talk) 02:34, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Awards table
I switched around the stretching of "Florence and the Machine" over four or five different awards and replaced it with a repeat of the nominated work on every single line. I did this because the stretched version has many different lines at different levels and I felt it made it quite difficult to easily look across the table and see which event had nominated Florence and the Machine for whatever particular award and this way rather removes that problem, even if it may appear slighlty more cluttered. I didn't verify this matter with the MoS but if anyone feels strongly about the subject, I'd be more than happy to debate the pros and cons of the matter. IndigoSeptimus (talk) 16:07, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

The machine
This seems a bit fan/industry written to me. Make it sound like she's been with "the machine" since she was 16 or something, after meeting them at a gig, like a real band.

The Machine are session musicians. Just a backing band, to play live with her, set up by the record label. Devonte Hynes has played maybe 1 ggi with her, and he wasn't in the backing band. He was sharing star billing with her.

As I said, the machine, are session musicians, paid to back her up at live gigs. Just like Britney Spears uses the same band members for years on end. It doesn't mean she's in a band with them. It's not Britney and the machine............

A quote from the newest session musician to tour with Florence Welch, Cherish Kaya, in the NME, last year:

"We're all session musicians so it's really amazing performing" she said. "It's a new thing because I'm not responsible for anything artistic now. It's just nice playing her music without the pressure of being an actual band"

Cjmooney9 (talk) 18:49, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Not all of the Machine are session musicians. Florence's official website describes the Machine as long time collaborators and friends. Various members also have writing credits on certain tracks from Lungs and it was Isabella Summers, née Machine if you will, that first started things with Florence, and she still plays keyboard on her current tour. It may seem a bit fan written but they are hardly all session musicains, IndigoSeptimus (talk) 13:12, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * They're not session musicians. Isabella (keyboardist) wrote much of the album Lungs with Florence and while recording demos for the album they asked Tom (the harpist) to join them and record on the album which then ended up with him beign a full time band member.


 * OK, but how is this different from say, Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band? Or are Florence & The Machine more like Siouxsie & The Banshees? It needs to be clarified, cause this is getting confusing. 24.189.90.68 (talk) 07:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Florence and the Machine is a solo singer essentially, so why the need for 'band members' in the infobox. Her backing band changes constantly. Every solo singer has a backing band of some sort. The members list could go on forever. It should be just her.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 10:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Her backing band (i.e. drummer, guitarist, bassist, keyboardist & harpist) haven't changed since their debut UK tour in October 2008.
 * OK, fair enough, so Florence and the Machine are a band. I was under the impression that it was a title for a solo singer, but I'm obviously incorrect there. Thanks for clearing that up.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 01:11, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * But what about the section that describes the history of the backing band? ""The Machine" may have wrongly been attributed to Welch's backing band, as Welch actually performed as "Florence and the Machine" as a solo artist, before she met them, and attributes her act's name to her original musical project with "Isabella Machine" as a teenager." So doesn't that assert Cjmooney9's point? I mean after all it's not uncommon for solo artists to have stage names that sound more like band names, e.g. Bat for Lashes, A Fine Frenzy. I'm sure they all have backing bands, too. 24.189.90.68 (talk) 02:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


 * In The interview with Florence on the 4Music concert (GB TV broadcast on Channel 4, c. 2009 +- 9 months) she describes the slow agglomeration of the band, which may have been a description of the recording process, starting with her and the keyboard player, then adding other musicians. Eg the harpist because, "we saw Tom walking thro Camden market carrying this big harp and we got talking and "... then later invited him to "+-put harp all over everything because it sounded really cool". Or the drummer because drumming interferd with F's singing.  Note that the formation of a group, musical or otherwise, is not a clear cut process.


 * From Michael Odell's article in the Q Magazine ('florence ATTACKS!', May 2010 issue, p.49): ...says  Summer, who, with her studio know-how provides "The Machine" part of the equation. It's in the present tense. This begs the question: where this bit about 'teenage project' and temporary 'parting company' (with Summer) comes from? The Sylvia Patterson article[what?] does not substantiate this: it mentions Summer only once, as being Florence's keyboard player, that's all. -- Evermore2 (talk) 09:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

More info
She's a trained opera singer, too. Also, her grandmother commited suicide, I read it somewhere, but I forgot which interview it was. There's more pertinent info on Florence's background, it needs to be incorporated in the article. 24.189.90.68 (talk) 05:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. It is in the Times so that is reliable Edkollin (talk) 21:04, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't this article be divided?
Even if Florence Welch is indeed F+tM, I think there should be a different article about her - her childhood, (grand)parents, problems, boyfriends etc. In it's present state the 'Florence' section looks completely out of place: lots of things should figure way down below, in special sections - 'Personal life', 'Health problems' etc - which in this article would be, in their own turn, irrelevant, having very little to do with F+tM as a musical project. -- Evermore2 (talk) 09:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree Edkollin (talk) 22:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Band/solo artist?
Florence is using a collective name. But she was signed solo and she's changed her 'backing' band a few times. All her songs are credited to her (+co-writers). This is not a band, we should change it. -- 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 20:13, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm glad this is of such interest. -- 12345abcxyz20082009 ( talk ) 17:24, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

The Chronicles of Science
is this really the name of the 2nd album, or just an assumption. can we have some source validity here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.41.174 (talk) 15:44, 9 February 2011 (UTC) New song just recently performed off the new album called 'Bedroom Hyms' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.41.174 (talk) 17:05, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The Unusuals
Dog Days Are Over was featured in The Unusuals, Season 1, Episode 2, "Boorland Day." The only reference I can find for this is here: http://mikecanepics.wordpress.com/2009/05/19/the-music-of-the-unusuals/, but I'm not sure whether this would be considered a reliable source or not. I know that it's true, because I just watched it 5 minutes ago, but that would probably be considered "original research," and I know how allergic Wikipedia is to the truth when it believes it was arrived at in that fashion. --Cogniac (talk) 19:01, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Split again
Florence Welch This should be its own article--there is plenty of content and only more sources all the time. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:00, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, the majority of the article seems to be about her anyway, that warrants a page of her own. It will also shorten this page, which I think would be a good thing.

MilkStraw532 (talk) 20:02, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree. She is a notable person and a lead singer of the band. My love is love (talk) 20:47, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support --Jennie | ☎ 20:50, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support ~ Lhynard (talk) 22:47, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Jenks24 (talk) 05:52, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Florence and the Machine → Florence + the Machine – Correct name of the band. Wikien2009 (talk) 19:48, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per MOS:TM. We avoid using special characters that substitute for English words, preferring to use the words themselves.  Powers T 20:29, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose While I personally prefer "Florence + the Machine" such that "Florence and the Machine" looks wrong, MOS:TM is very clear on this. ~ Lhynard (talk) 21:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per MOS:TM. – ukexpat (talk) 21:28, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose -  per MOS:TM. Longwayround (talk) 16:14, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Support "Florence + the Machine" is the correct name of the band, stylized as such. ~ 6675548 (User talk:6675548) 05:15, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose The "+" is not the actual name but a graphic stylization. Camulus (talk) 00:13, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose On their own site (http://www.florenceandthemachine.net/biography/2-3) they write "Live, Florence and The Machine become..." as is their myspace: (http://www.myspace.com/florenceandthemachine) and facebook (http://www.facebook.com/florenceandthemachine). 09:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.210.197.13 (talk)
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Controversy section
Someone (using different user names or annonymously) has been section blanking the Controversy section of the article. I did not have anything to do with that section (or the rest of the article) except for grammar edits, so I have no connection to the text there. I have been reverting because I do not know the concensus. Should the section be removed? (I have changed the citation to a less biased source, for what that is worth.) I do not care one way or the other; I was just reverting what appeared to be disruptive edits. I do not want to be pulled into an edit war. Thoughts? ~ Lhynard (talk) 20:53, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's okay to maintain such information now that it's backed by a respectable source, 'cause frankly, a website which goes by the name of, ahem, "Racialicious" certainly does not appear to be one to be taken seriously. However, I don't think it's notable enough to sustain its own section. Unless the band have sparked other noteworthy controversies (which I highly doubt), the information regarding the "No Light, No Light" video controversy could be easily moved into a bigger section.  Snap Snap  00:42, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That sounds more than reasonable. ~ Lhynard (talk) 15:40, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Evanescence comparisons
Florence and the Machine was compared to American gothic rock band Evanescence and its lead singer Amy Lee. Sources:, ,. 77.29.24.177 (talk) 13:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Two specific songs were compared to Evanescence, not the band itself.  Snap Snap  18:23, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "Drumming" from the first album maybe; "Never Let Me Go" from the second is referred to as "Enya-meets-Evanescence" which is a different thing entirely ! RGCorris (talk) 18:55, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Soundtracks, movies, TV series
Are so many inclusions in soundtracks, movies and TV series of the songs from Lungs needed in the article? I mean, they should go in the separate songs articles. The Biography section for the albums is more for the commercial performance and critical reception for the albums. My love is love (talk) 09:59, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Band or Solo
Why as the article written as though Florence + the Machine is a band? Florence is a solo artist, she was signed as a solo artist and has changed her backing band many times... She's also been nominated for a Brit Award for "best British solo artist (female)"... The machine is not actually a band just like the Diamonds in Marina and the Diamonds are not a band. --Duphin (talk) 14:26, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, The Machine does refer to Florence's backing band, unlike Marina and the Diamonds. Florence + the Machine might not be a band in a conventional sense, but they're still a band nevertheless; see their Allmusic profile for instance. In a way they're like Sade (named after lead singer, the only member to appear on album and single covers).  Snap Snap  16:39, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by Florence and the Machine‎
I was surprised to see there was not a List of songs recorded by Florence and the Machine‎. I redirected the page to here for now, but feel free to get a list going before me if you have time and interest. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

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Florence + The Machine sings with Hospice Austin teen
This should be mentioned somewhere in the article, doesn't have to be, but it's just a thought:

Today we were privileged to witness the clear joy of a room full of teenagers singing with Florence Welch and guitarist Rob Ackroyd from Florence and The Machine who came to Hospice Austin's Christopher House to give a private concert to a teen who missed her concert last night due to her illness. The room was full; full of joy and warmth and love and life and singing. Thank you, Florence!

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Timeline
Please somebody else add timeline.--Jimi Henderson (talk) 09:12, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Florence_and_the_Machine
Hi

The timeline had an issue with black lines spreading out from the left side of the image right accross the page into the left margin.

I have removed the "studio" instrument from the list, and the lines are gone.

I am, however, not sure if they need to be there.

Can someone with more experience of the timeline format please take a look?

Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 11:15, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by Florence and the Machine listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect List of songs recorded by Florence and the Machine. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. feminist (talk) 14:06, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Can't we just expand List of songs recorded by Florence and the Machine? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:22, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Why Can’t we just call her Chamber pop?
Instead of the cluster of Indie Rock, Indie Pop and Baroque Pop I feel it is more fitting to label her as:

Chamber Pop Art Rock Art Pop Neo Soul Folk Dirke31 (talk) 15:24, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Should we Vote to Condense her Genres into a more concise Section?
Her Genre section has multiple similar genres, although all sited i feel as though it makes the section look messy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirke31 (talk • contribs) 15:13, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Did the band create any of the songs they perform?
There are a few thin hints that Ms Florence may have done some song writing, but nowhere in the article is it truly spelled out. She is not listed as "singer, song-writer" nor is any of the rest of the band, no "keyboards, piano, synthesisers [sic], backing vocals, song-writer". This is not a criticism, just a request for information. If the band does write/compose some of their material, they should get credit for it. Thank you for your time, 24.45.172.94 (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Cruella
Looking at the website for the band, it seems to be focused on Cruella (Florence and the Machine - Call Me Cruella) at the moment. This is not currently reflected in the article. 139.218.28.225 (talk) 00:02, 26 November 2021 (UTC)