Talk:Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf

This is a terrible article
The statement Emperor Franz Joseph as well as Foreign Minister Count Leopold Berchtold hesitated and left the decision on war to the German allies. is quite wrong. It was Austria [Conrad and Berchtold] who wanted war. They only waited until Aug. 23rd to make sure the French president had left Russia and was on the high seas and out of communication [wireless being so unreliable in 1914].

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Please note that Conrad is the family name. --KF 21:17, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * thus we're actually talking Franz, Graf Conrad von Hötzendorf here... --Wetman 00:09, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * I've got a German book in front of me which dates from 1883, and it renders a similar name without the comma: Colmar Freiherr von der Goltz. Mackensen (talk) 05:08, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Germans don't use commas for noble titles. This should either be where it is, or at Count Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf. john k 07:35, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

An unfortunate problem is that we have no rules for where to put articles on German nobles. (If anyone's interested, I put up a proposal at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles), but I didn't feel that there was really a consensus to implement my suggestions, nor am I sure it was the right move. But comments are welcome. john k 07:36, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

just added some comments about that. my point is to use the original version, because with translation all sorts of problem constantly arise... Antares911 00:21, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Dunno about what convention is now, but in Sondhaus, Lawrence: Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf. Architect of the apocalypse, the author references to Count Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf as "Conrad", not "Hötzendorf". Assuming he knows what he's doing, I edited the article in line with this usage. --Alþykkr (talk) 17:29, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


 * You are absolutly correct, von Hötzendorf was added to the family name Conrad later. --Otberg (talk) 18:39, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Military genius?
If he was a "military genius" as claimed in the article, why was his performance in the war so dismal? Perhaps that claim should be dropped. LeoO3 19:25, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Heavens, he's usually a figure of fun. Re-worded to reflect the reality of the situation. Mackensen (talk) 01:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * He's a very controversial figure in that regard. Both his allies (Hindenburg) and his enemies (Shaposhnikov) respected his ability in their own time. Modern historians are very critical of Conrad. My assessment is that he indeed was a very skilled general in a theoretical sense, but failed to take into account the reality of the Austro-Hungarian military; namely, that it lacked the logistics and the skilled officers at lower levels of command which were needed to execute Conrad's plans. When the Germans were involved, his plans worked because the Germans could execute them. When he only had his own forces, it didn't work. Just my view, though, so don't take is as gospel... Jsc1973 (talk) 15:23, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Kübler
Nowhere can I find any references to "the famous Vienna artist Kübler." Deleted. Sca (talk) 22:02, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Translated meaning
The term Armed Might is misleading and confusing. I am assuming here that the author of the article or an amender has 'split' and translated 'Wehrmacht' into a literal English equivalent. This is nonsensical. What Wehrmacht implies is the collective armed forces (itself a clumsy expression). The use of Wehrmacht in countless English language books etc. is thoroughly established and has become a recognised word in no need of translation.Gr1bble8s (talk) 05:39, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Armbrust The Homunculus 11:09, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Count Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf → Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf – Per our policy on honorifics and common name, and also other Wikipedias. It's the original title of the article, which has been twice moved without discussion. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:44, 1 May 2014 (UTC) Srnec (talk) 21:04, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * Support - per nom, we don't include personal titles in article titles. Parsecboy (talk) 16:33, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

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Which variety of English does this article use?
The article is currently a mix of different spellings (with "emphasize", "neutralize", etc., but also "defence") - I checked the first version, but that also had a mix (with "mobilization" but also "favour"). Or perhaps it's Canadian or Australian English, but I don't know exactly where those differ on British/American spellings. Parsecboy (talk) 14:59, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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