Talk:GAZ-24

Definite articles are proscribed before proper nouns
From David Appleyard's Guide to Article Usage in English:
 * There is no article before a noun followed by a categorizing letter or number.

GAZ-24 therefore applies. Whereas: the GAZ-24 car, or the 24-24 are ok. - Mardus /talk 05:39, 14 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Other literature supporting my arguments, using exactly the same sentence as above:
 * Advanced Article Usage in English (the John Richard Allison Library at Regent College). - Mardus /talk 05:46, 14 May 2021 (UTC)


 * No, this is completely different. This is more like the example given by Appleyard: "The Ford is white and the Audi is silver." This would also apply to "The VAZ-2108 is white and the GAZ-24 is silver." Seriously. I think your English may indeed be at en-3 but I assure you that you are utterly wrong in this case. Check out any article for a car with a number for a name, Renault 14, Mercedes-Benz 300 SL or any other. Feel free to ask another editor, I recommend WP:RFC if you do not believe me.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  00:38, 15 May 2021 (UTC)


 * This is not different. You are not a native speaker of the English language, and I rely on the grammar instruction provided by an educational facility, which instruction has been written by native speakers of the English language, and who have the higher (tertiary) education to prove their chops in English. 'Check out any article' is not authoritative, because editors, like you, who are not proficient in English grammar, write it consistently wrongly. - Mardus /talk 00:43, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * You are completely misunderstanding their writings. We do not say "the page five" but we do say "the Mazda 929," because that is the proper name of the vehicle. Are you seriously suggesting that EVERY SINGLE automobile article on Wikipedia not only has been written incorrectly but also maintained that way for twenty years, until you came along? How about this article? Lift up your head and look around for a second.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  00:51, 15 May 2021 (UTC)


 * The same rule applies as above: "Room 9" is the same as "GAZ-24", because 24 is the categorising name and number. The definite article is permitted with "the 24-24", since GAZ-24-24 has been established already, and the narration is about that categorising number that represents a certain model.
 * Across the board, the make and model names of various products (cars, electornics) have been written with the definite article applied wrongly, due mostly to the paucity of rules. Road and Truck is not an authoritative instruction on grammar, and the author does not know better, though he should. - Mardus /talk 01:02, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * No, "GAZ-24" is the name of the car, just like Toyota Corolla or Fiat Uno. Anyhow, I am going to have to waste a bunch of time having an admin revert you since you cannot think clearly about this.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  02:01, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * And with proper names, the definite article does not apply. Unless:  the Toyota Corolla model/vehicle/car , for example, because then, the definite article is about a particular make and model of car. - Mardus /talk 07:38, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * @Mardus, "the GAZ-24 is a car" is correct. You are misunderstanding the usage. English speakers would say "This is Day 5 of my cold," for instance. Or "This is Year 2 of the COVID pandemic." Or "Rule 1 of Fight Club is don't talk about Fight Club". I think you have confused this with anything that is followed by a number as part of its name.
 * English speakers don't leave out the article simply because the item has has a number in its name. I use an iPhone 11. My neighbor has a Lexus 330. The GAZ-24 is a car. —valereee (talk) 14:34, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I do not use an iPhone 11, because I think that the iPhone 11 is too large.
 * GAZ-24 is a proper name, and a general and uncountable noun in English. So is Toyota Corolla, so are iPhone 11, Nokia 2.2, and Windows Vista. So are people's names. Most people just don't know to omit the article. - Mardus /talk 17:16, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * @Mardus: so far five six editors, have weighed in on your idea (me, Dicklyon, Woodroar, Imaginatorium, Valereee, and Charles01) and none agree with you. I am going to revert your edits again and I hope you will leave it be unless the situation changes. Best,  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  14:43, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * On this Talk, so far only you and valeree. - Mardus /talk 17:16, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Also Charles01 who reinstated the leading "The" in the article, and by now ten editors in the three locations (pburka, Primergrey, David Eppstein, BilCat are recent additions) where you are trying to make this argument.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  20:57, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * @Mardus, stop now. This is disruptive. I've now warned you three different places. —valereee (talk) 23:08, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
 * jesus, its a car. 205.220.208.1 (talk) 12:06, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Who the fuck is David Appleyard? EEng 13:49, 16 May 2021 (UTC)