Talk:Gentle on My Mind

Attribution discussion
I've removed the following from the lede. It needs a citation. It also seems to have too undue weight for the lede. If it gets a citation, perhaps it should mentioned in a sentence in the lede and have a paragraph below.


 * This song whose authorship is attributed to John Hartford is both harmonically and melodically nearly identical to a substantial portion of Brazilian composer Dorival Caymmi's 1954 version of his song "O Mar" (which also exists in a 1940 version that is orchestrated and more harmonically complex.) That 1940 Brazilian song has a structure of A-B-C-D-D-D-Tag-C, and the three D Sections appear to be the foundation for "Gentle On My Mind" which has the same basic harmonic structure (with some added passing chords) and the same basic melody (with some slight rhythmic variation.) This poses the question as to whether John Hartford was familiar with Dorival Caymmi's 1954 version of Caymmi's own composition "O Mar" and may have subconsciously taken its D-Section melody & harmonies and based his own composition ("Gentle On My Mind") on the earlier Brazilian song.

--John (User:Jwy/talk) 04:06, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 23 November 2019

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) —  Newslinger   talk   16:05, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

– All of the other works named "Gentle on My Mind" derive their name from the song due to its appearance. Usually the album gets top billing and the title track follows the "Name (song)" format (e.g. Born to Fly -> Born to Fly (song)), "Gentle on My Mind" has widely been recorded by multiple artists and seems to be the WP:PRIMARY topic for all things named "Gentle on My Mind". Between this and the fact that all other works by that name are derived from the song, I think the song should get top billing in this case. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:55, 23 November 2019 (UTC) —Relisting.  CAPTAIN MEDUSA   talk  07:18, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Gentle on My Mind (song) → Gentle on My Mind
 * Gentle on My Mind → Gentle on My Mind (disambiguation)
 * Support. We don't decide primary topic by considering what anyone thinks "should get top billing". We decide mainly on which (if any) of the topics are most likely to be sought by users searching with the ambiguous title. And the data most often used to make this determination is relative page views. I was going to oppose because no such argument was presented, but then decided to check on the |Gentle_on_My_Mind_(song)|Gentle_on_My_Mind_(1967_Glen_Campbell_album)|Gentle_on_My_Mind_(1972_Glen_Campbell_album)|Gentle_on_My_Mind_(Dean_Martin_album) page views myself. The song is clear the primary topic. --В²C ☎ 20:39, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


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Different Verse
Patti Page also recorded the song, and Glen Campbell himself re-recorded it as a duet with Bobbie Gentry on the album they did together. On those two versions, there is a verse I have not heard elsewhere, obviously written for a woman to sing. Does anyone know if John Hartford wrote that extra verse later, or if someone else wrote it but remained uncredited? I tried at one time to ask this of Hartford, Campbell, and Al de Lory (who did the arrangement on the Campbell/Gentry version), but they have all died now, and I don't know how to reach Gentry. Rich (talk) 08:00, 21 October 2023 (UTC)