Talk:Havelock Ellis

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The article says that Ellis "was interested in sexual liberation and wrote the seven volume Studies in the Psychology of Sex" and his "Sexual Inversion described the sexual relations of homosexual men, something that Ellis did not consider to be a disease or a crime."

Perhaps there was a reason he did not consider it a disease or crime: Could somebody who has some expertise in this area of study (Ellis, his influences including Keynes, etc.), check out what is said on the following page and confirm or rebut the sources and the quotations. Disgusting, horrifying if true to any degree: http://www.aposse.org/commons/Keynes/keynes.htm


 * It would be too time-consuming to criticise the web page you suggest--http://www.aposse.org/commons/Keynes/keynes.htm


 * Almost every line of this bizarre text carries an error of fact. But considering we are talking about Havelock Ellis, it should be noted that he was NOT a Fabian, but was a founder member of a proto-Fabian organisation, the Fellowship of the New Life.  He was very liberal in his attitudes, because he relied on serious and independent thought rather than received dogma for his knowledge. As such, he did support the development of individual sexual lives.  He also supported homosexual rights, feminism, and intellectual expression.

I don't want to scare anyone away but please sign your posts with your username (or some other tag) on the discussion page, this allows readers to follow the discussion in an orderly manner.--CJ 20:09, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"According to Ellis in My Life, his friends were much amused at his being considered an expert on sex. Some knew that he suffered from impotence until the age of 60.  He then discovered that he could become aroused by the sight of a woman urinating. Ellis named this "undinism". It is now more commonly called urolagnia."

This is a mess. He noted early on the sexual implications of urinating, not at age 60 like this text suggests. Also, I didn't see anywhere in his autobiography of him mentioning being impotent. His wife was lesbian, and he seemed to imply he didn't have a strong sex drive, which accounts for why he had little to no sex. If I'm wrong, please inform me where it says otherwise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.185.240 (talk) 23:29, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Racist?
Was Havelock Ellis a racist?! No. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.127.249.26 (talk) 05:12, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Translations
Ellis translated Zola's Germinal and A Rebours by J-K Huysmans. Likely, he did more. This ought to be noted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.169.48.123 (talk) 22:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC).

He also translated Cesare Lombroso's L'uomo di genio in rapporto alla psichiatria 129.177.213.54 (talk) 11:58, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

The language of science
"German was then (ie 1896) considered the language of science"? This is an odd statement. It was not used by Dodgson or Pearson when publishing in 1896 [] or by equally import figures around that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.166.150.12 (talk) 11:36, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Small update suggestion regarding the tenses in describing homosexual. (11/30/12)
The being verb tense previously used, "was", could potentially obfuscate the prevalence of the word's use in current times. Making it "is" indicates its enduring prevalence. Additionally, specifying which parts of the word were from Greek and Latin could potentially aid in people's understanding of some lingual scholars' - like Ellis himself - frustration with hybrid words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.120.192.227 (User talk:75.120.192.227 02:36, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


 * OK edit, but pretty hard to understand that explanation. See diff. Meters (talk) 02:42, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

More on his life
In reading the article about his wife, I came across "Ellis had a nervous breakdown in March 1916 and died of diabetes that September." I don't think this line was inspired by the nearby citation, but, assuming it is true, it indicates that there is more to be told of Ellis's life than what this article currently covers. If an editor has access to an Ellis biography, they could do a lot to fill out the rather skeletal article with further information about him.--Quisqualis (talk) 08:07, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Views on Eugenics
Hi, I am a student editor for 140.106 and I will be adding more info on the views on eugenics. ArjavS (talk) 03:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello, I am also student editor for 140.106 and I will be adding more info on Ellis' views of sex and the psychology of sex. (173.10.186.150 (talk) 19:32, 13 April 2017 (UTC))


 * As Ellis, born same decade as Freud, lived like Freud until 1939, 6 years after Hitler's coming to power in Germany, I wonder if Ellis had any published views on German Nazism and its application of eugenics which lost popularity after post-WWII revelations of Nazi racial atrocities. Would be interesting.Cloptonson (talk) 05:15, 7 June 2021 (UTC)