Talk:Hebrew Bible judges

Question about article's theories
Are the theories advanced in the article about the "original" book of judges the personal theories of this article's author or serious scholarship? Michael.passman 01:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Delineation?
Should there be any inclusion of the separation of SHePHaTIM from DaNIM in the article,Since the Judges in the eponymous Bible book are called Shephatim,but other names such as Daniel and Daniah,include the other word translated as "judge" Dan,and they tend to imply differing shades of meaning.Sochwa 06:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Those dates for the judges seem awfully late. Wasn't the golden age of David and Solomon around 1000 bc? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.116.85 (talk) 17:29, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Chart?
Can this be used? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cush (talk • contribs) 12:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not? Done. PiCo (talk) 00:01, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Original research / Unsubstantiated claims?
Can this be correct?

"Moses is founder of basis of the philosophy of law as well as such modern legal doctrines as independent judiciary and separation of powers"

There is a link provided for this which is unsatisfactory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ben Ammi (talk • contribs) 17:40, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

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Who were the judges of Israel 102.140.244.181 (talk) 08:53, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Proposed move to Hebrew Bible judges
One of the rare instances where it would be better to rename to match the categories. The relevant parent category is Category:Hebrew Bible people under Category:Hebrew Bible. Exclude New Testament.

See Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 16. William Allen Simpson (talk) 12:30, 18 March 2023 (UTC)


 *  Weak Support. I think the title is clear enough as it is, but more clarity would not hurt. In the New Testament, there are a couple of unnamed or hypothetical "judges", and named people plus the Christian God who are described as "judging" or in the role of a judge (even though that is not their (primary) occupation), and excluding them explicitly has merit. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:22, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Pinging and  as you are both involved with the CfR, where both of you favoured Hebrew Bible judges, would you like to comment on this proposal? After some initial hesitation, I am ready to accept this new name for both the main article and the category, which would mean all four of us agree. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:54, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Support, judges were a "thing" in and around the book of Judges and the proposed title fits this more precisely. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak support: What this would lose in concision, it would gain in precision - a slight gain in my book. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:21, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Neutral. IMHO this is one of the rare instances where it is fine for the article name (Biblical judges) to differ from the category name. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:04, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Update Category:Judges of ancient Israel has been renamed Category:Hebrew Bible judges, so now a reverse WP:C2D argument can be made in favour of renaming to "Hebrew Bible judges".
 * For this reason, I'm changing my stance from Weak support to Support. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:36, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@William Allen Simpson Nobody else has chimed in for 10 days. We've got 2 support, 1 weak support, 1 neutral, no opposed. I think that's enough to close as Move. I'd say go ahead. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:51, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Abimelech
The source provided about Abimelech being "questionable" as a judge, is simply referring the passage from the Bible in Judges chapter 9. But Judges 9:22 states "When Abimelech had reigned* three years over Israel..."[KJV] The Hebrew word translated "reigned" in this verse, is the same Hebrew word root which is translated "judged" in Judges 10:2 (referring to Tola) and in Judges 10:3 (referring to Jair).

Unless a better source can be provided to refute Abimelech's status as a judge, then I would suggest that Abimelech really should be included in the list of Judges. Otherwise, who ruled/judged Israel for the three years between the death of Gideon and the death of Abimelech? It can only be Abimelech, as stated in Judges 9:22. DiverseSynergy (talk) 06:27, 12 April 2023 (UTC)