Talk:Hitachi Data Systems

Early comments
The Hitachi Data Systems and associated discussions page was deleted. Without seeing them I can't comment on their worth, however HDS is a leading technology company and, by the number of other wikipedia pages that link here, notable. So I made a new one. I am both an HDS employee and prior wikipedia contributor (still learning) and am aware of the conflict of interest policy, I've tried to keep it to just the facts. Johnha (talk) 01:47, 30 January 2009 (UTC)johnha

I propose to delete the history section on Itel and National Semiconductor in that the material inserted is about those companies, not HDS, and the links inserted led to a articles on a single private advertising site and is spam. Comments or discussion? Johnha (talk) 19:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)johnha

Please do not remove the corporate history involving Itel and National Semiconductor as those portions tell the roots of HDS. For example, articles on companies like Fairchild Semiconductor and Intersil are described with founding roots too. Wikipedia is not a place for reserving the corporate image of companies but to give as complete as possible verifiable accounts of entities. This article is the appropriate place for chronicling the roots of HDS. This article should not be used to maintain the corporate image of HDS, an any attempts to do so would be regarded as spam or vandalism. Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk) 05:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

It is clear you have great interest and passion in National Semiconductor history. But this is the Hitachi Data System page. Your history is a great read, but leans towards original research and colloquial events seen through personal experiences and personal points of view. Portions are inaccurate and the parts relevant to HDS could be said fully much more briefly. There is much extraneous material. For example the caption “National Semiconductor’s Taking Over Itel”. National did not take over Itel. It took over Itel’s Advanced Systems group. Itel continued on. And “They were also introducing the Unix operating system gradually into their computers. IBM had also introduced the Personal Computer” is supposed to be relevant to IBM succeeding in the mainframe business in the early 80s? No, not then, those were a market force later. In the early 80s it was still non-Unix minicomputers pushing the Mainframe market. And PCs were hardly an example of IBM semiconductor prowness. And recognize that even corrected a paragraph on the mainframe market in the early 80s, on the HDS company page, is a lot of text only tangential to HDS. And in the section on “Hitachi formed as a joint venture of Hitachi and EDS, you provide one reference early on, but none for the following magazine-like content. My main point is it’s great to have a history section, but it should be kept encyclopedic and relevant. It’s not a place to tell a story. If not removed the history you added needs to be cleaned up. (talk) 18:35, 10 May 2010 (UTC)johnha

I think that the discussion of ITEL and National Semiconductor should not be in this topic. I think that they each deserve a topic, i.e., one for ITEL and for National Semiconductor, add the information to the existing topic. Remove them from the Hitachi Data Systems topic and use links from the Hitachi Data Systems topic to the ITEL and National Semiconductor topics. It would still provide the history content but in better a better location. If someone is looking for what ITEL or National Semiconductor did in mainframe and storage it should easy to find that information in their own topic. Links in the Hitachi Data Systems topic will provide those people looking for background related to ITEL and National Semiconductor can find it via the links on the Hitachi Data Systems page.ThomasGN (talk) 21:06, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Roots of HDS
Those paragraphs were not original point of view or personal experience. They were from technology articles and I was too lazy to put in the references, yet. I was waiting for another day to insert the references. I should modify the heading to National Semiconductor taking over itel data systems. If historical facts, backed by references I would insert later, appear as story, so be it. The fact is HDS did indeed originate from Itel and then NAS as well as with Hitachi data and systems products. There is a legal law suit docket listing "National Advanced Systems (now known as Hitachi Data Systems)" as defendant, even after the entity had been changed to HDS - therefore, even the United States court circuits recognise NAS as the original HDS and that HDS is held in any liability that proceeded from NAS.

Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk) 03:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Vote to remove technology partners section.
I believe the technology partner section should be removed as it appears as a marketing ploy to advertise its list of customers. Please justify non-removal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk • contribs) 02:24, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Someone has a chip on their shoulder. Anyone familiar with HDS will recognize it is neither a customer list or partner list, but another case of SPAM. I would vote it should either be fixed or removed. (talk) 18:35, 10 May 2010 (UTC)johnha

Done! Removed the section due to its not having any encyclopaedic value.

Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk) 01:01, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

HDS Product History
I am having thoughts of placing a products sub-section on product history, just like Intel's page. From Itel advanced systems to NAS. The mutation of HDS from primarily selling mainframes to selling storage. What its current mainframe offerings are. What its plans (in relation to its parent company's plans) for staying in the mainframe market are.

Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk) 00:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Vote to remove ITEL and NAS history from this article
I believe that the ITEL and NAS history of Hitachi Data Systems should be removed from this article. If the author feels strongly that this information should be available to readers, then I believe that the author of the ITEL and NAS history sections should add that information to the appropriate ITEL and/or NAS articles or if necessary create an ITEL/NAS article and then only link to that historical information from this article. Please justify not removing this ITEL and NAS historical information from this HDS article. ThomasGN (talk) 14:25, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Since there have been no opposing comments on removing the information on the history of Hitachi Data Systems from this article, I am removing it from this article and creating a new article on the Origins of Hitachi Data Systems with a link from this article. 69.205.246.165 (talk) 14:52, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I would like to revert to place the Itel and NAS roots of HDS back and delete the article on HDS history. Wikipedia should not be allowed to be used by companies or their personnel to shield their unsavoury history. Companies or their personnel should not employ Wikipedia as a public relations platform by removing/isolating information the company does not view as helpful to their current projected image. Articles on other reconstituted companies include their roots, whether embarrassing or glorious. Moreover, the brevity of the HDS article does not justify moving that information into another section.

If not further discussion ensues on this issue after 7 days, I will revert the article and delete the history article.

Hence Jewish Anderstein (talk) 04:14, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't agree with reverting the article. I am not an employee of HDS but believe that the detailed history that talks a lot about NAS and ITEL doesn't belong in the HDS article. I think the information is interesting but not pertinent to who HDS is today. I strongly feel that the "History of HDS" article provides the information in a very usable for those that are interested in it. However, I believe that most people looking for information on HDS are looking to understand the company today, not what it was or where it came from. I don't believe the historical information is embarrassing or glorious, just facts that should stand on their own. I actually thought about deleting the historical information as superfluous but thought the history article was a nice way to maintain the information but keep it separate. Please do not reinsert the historical information. Let's leave it as a separate article. ThomasGN (talk) 13:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

I do not favor re-adding the Itel and NAS history to the Hitachi Data Systems page. It is clear from comments about product lines that Hence knows much abut Itel and NAS, and little about HDS. I don’t understand the reluctance to use this knowledge to put these materials on Itel and National Advanced Systems pages, or even the Hitachi page. But not the Hitachi Data Systems page. I don’t think they belong on a ‘Hitachi Data Systems History’ page either. Dramas played out by other companies belong on those company’s pages. Johnha (talk) 01:55, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Merge back?
It looks like despite the above discussion, a year and a half later the Hitachi Data Systems History is just a fork of most of this article, without even so much as a link from this one to that one. If we removed the history from here, there would not be much left except promotion, which also needs to be removed. Wikipedia is not a product guide, and "current" information can always be obtained directly from the company web site, which will allways be less stale than anything here. So I vote to merge that one back in. They both use a bit too much uncited assertions about things like "blackmail" that really need to be verifiable if they are to stay. There are no articles on Itel nor National Advanced Systems (NAS has come to mean something totally different due to a dyslexic marketing slip for SAN). W Nowicki (talk) 16:43, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Also ran across Hitachi TrueCopy which has been totally unreferenced in six years, and Hitachi Adaptable Modular Storage 2000 which is also questionable for independent notability? W Nowicki (talk) 19:46, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

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COI edit requests
Hi! I'm a COI editor for Hitachi Vantara, a client of my employer Porter Novelli, here with some requests for this article.

Lead

 * I think it makes sense to rename this article to Hitachi Vantara, since Hitachi Data Systems' operations are now all part of Hitachi Vantara. This would involve updating the title in the article infobox (where the full name should actually be "Hitachi Vantara, LLC"), replacing the "successor" parameter with "predecessors", and updating the article lead from
 * Hitachi Data Systems (HDS) was a provider of modular mid-range and high-end computer data storage systems, software and services. Its operations are now a part of Hitachi Vantara.


 * It was a wholly owned subsidiary of Hitachi Ltd. and part of the Hitachi Information Systems & Telecommunications Division. In 2017 its operations were merged with Pentaho and Hitachi Insight Group to form Hitachi Vantara.


 * In 2010 Hitachi Data Systems sold through direct and indirect channels in more than 170 countries and regions. Its customers included over half of the Fortune 100 companies at the time.
 * to
 * Hitachi Vantara (formerly Hitachi Data Systems) is a wholly owned subsidiary of Hitachi Ltd. focused on operational technology (OT) and information technology (IT). It provides of modular mid-range and high-end computer data storage systems, software and services. In 2017, Hitachi combined the operations of Hitachi Data Systems, Pentaho and Hitachi Insight Group to form Hitachi Vantara. Two years later, Hitachi Consulting was also merged into Hitachi Vantara.
 * The article logo would also need to be updated; I'm happy to make that edit once the article name is changed.


 * In the infobox, update the number of employees to  and add the parameter.

History

 * I think the "Origins as Itel" and "National Semiconductor takes over Advanced Systems" sections could be condensed quite a bit, especially considering the dearth of available sources. Happy to propose shortened text if there's agreement.
 * Rename the "Storage" section to "Entry into storage systems", the "Cloud" section to "Cloud computing", and the "Acquisitions" section to "Hitachi Data Systems acquisitions".
 * Add a new "Hitachi Vantara" subsection to the bottom:
 * Hitachi Vantara was formed in September 2017, combining the operations of Hitachi Data Systems, Pentaho and Hitachi Insight Group. In October 2018, the company completed its acquisition of systems integrator REAN Cloud. Hitachi Consulting was merged into Hitachi Vantara in late 2019. The company acquired Waterline Data, a data catalog software startup, and Containership, a startup focused on Kubernetes infrastructure, in March 2020.


 * In July 2020, Gajen Kandiah, the former head of Cognizant's digital business, became CEO of Hitachi Vantara. The company acquired New York-based data governance company Io-Tahoe from Centrica in June 2021.

Corporate affairs
Add to end of section:
 * Notable Hitachi Vantara customers include the American Heart Association and Disney Parks, which uses the Lumada platform for attractions including Slinky Dog Dash and Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance. Hitachi Vantara also led the Optimise Prime project with UK Power Networks to test and optimize deployment of electric vehicles. The company also hosts Hitachi Social Innovation Forum events around the world focused on how data can address global issues like environmental protection.

Corporate culture, social responsibility and work environment

 * It might make sense to make this a subsection of "Corporate affairs".
 * Update
 * The culture of Hitachi Data Systems is influenced by the founding values of the parent company, Hitachi Ltd., those being Wa (harmony, trust, and respect), Makoto (integrity, sincerity, honesty), and Kaitakusha-seishin (pioneering spirit and challenge).
 * to
 * The culture of Hitachi Vantara is influenced by the values of Hitachi Ltd.: wa (harmony, trust, and respect), makoto (integrity, honesty), and kaitakusha-seishin (pioneering spirit and challenges).
 * (Just shortening a bit and adding an independent source.)


 * Delete
 * Hitachi Data Systems was recognized by Ethisphere Magazine in 2011-15 as one of the World's Most Ethical Companies. The company has active Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) programs including a means for employees to recommend and request a grant for a non-profit organization. Hitachi Data Systems works with the Hitachi Foundation and other Hitachi entities to support philanthropic enterprises around the world.
 * Couldn't find good independent sources for this info.


 * Update
 * Hitachi Data Systems participates in "Best Places to Work" lists globally, achieving a position on FORTUNE Magazine's “100 Best Companies to Work For” list for 3 consecutive years running, 2012, 2013 and 2014 and was ranked No. 8 in FORTUNE's list of top-paying companies.
 * to
 * Hitachi Data Systems appeared in Fortune magazine's "100 Best Companies to Work For" list in 2012, 2013 and 2014 and was ranked No. 8 in the Fortune list of top-paying companies in 2012.
 * Adding refs.


 * Delete
 * Chief Executive Magazine gave HDS a ranking of No. 16 in its “40 Best Companies for Leaders” list for 2012. Hitachi Data Systems was recognized among the "Best Companies to Work For" in France and Poland in 2011. In 2010 Hitachi Data Systems was accredited by the Best Companies organization in the United Kingdom.
 * I doubt any of these rankings are notable.

Thanks so much for your help or feedback! Mary Gaulke (talk) 01:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Snowmanonahoe (talk) 15:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello. Apologies for the long delay.
 * Personally I disagree with the title change. Hitachi Vantara is just a parent company. An article could feasibly be written on it, but it would be its own thing. Nonetheless, I will open a requested move on it if you wish.
 * Employee count: The number of employees in this company seems to be all over the place. I see recently published sources with counts ranging from 30(???) to 15,000. If you have a primary source, I will accept that. I have removed the number entirely for now.
 * I agree the National Semiconductor section could be shortened, particularly the first 2 paragraphs. I think the Origins section is fine as-is.
 * Section renames: I agree "cloud" needs some disambiguation, but the other 2 are clear enough I think. These sections aren't read in a vaccumreaders know they are reading an article on Hitachi Data Systems the computer company.
 * Something about HDS being acquired makes sense, but the rest isn't relevant. This is an article on HDS, not Vantara.
 * Corporate affairs❌ OK, it seems you don't actually want to edit this article, you want to write Hitachi Vantara. Go ahead and do that (as a draft) if you wish.
 * Of course, I am not done. I will continue this review later today. Snowmanonahoe (talk) 16:35, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Section --> subsection: ✅
 * Delete bit: ✅
 * Fortune top 100: A paid editor making the text neutral. Impressive. ✅.
 * Removal of Chief Executive Magazine: ❌ seems notable to me. The magazine has an article. Snowmanonahoe (talk) 02:42, 26 April 2023 (UTC)