Talk:Horse racing

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Title
Is this title correct? With the hyphen? -- Zoe
 * Support I've requested a move   &mdash;User:Mulad (talk) 23:49, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
 * Support I second the move. - furrykef (Talk at me) 08:55, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Support &mdash;Michael Z. 2005-04-27 23:35 Z 

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 10:59, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

For the record, I was going to move the page, but can't. Horse racing currently can't be deleted, due to a server error having to do with block-compression. The error message says the problem will be fixed "in a month or two". Lachatdelarue (talk) 02:01, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * There are ways around such things, moving the article out of the way and labelling it pending deletion. violet/riga (t) 10:59, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Controversy

 * Note: Split to new Controversy in horse racing article.


 * Facts that show horse racing in a bad light were moved off to a seperate page, which has now been deleted. It is clear that both the good and the bad should receive equal show on the Horse racing page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.152.209.197 (talk) 13:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC).


 * Does anyone know what the term is for the practice of deadening the nerves in the hooves and ankles of horses, so that if they are injured during a race they will continue to run often resulting in the horse finishing the race but then needing to be euthanized . I don't want to go off on a rant but it's definitly an obvious sign that a races results are more important to alot of these owners and trainers than the welfare of the animals .96.234.176.72 (talk) 10:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, if they actually did that, they wouldn't be able to effectively run. They sometimes DO cut certain nerves on some horses who develop certain degenerative diseases in an attempt to keep them comfortable in the pasture, but such horses can't race.  What is sometimes a problem in racing and other sports is overuse of overall analgesic and antinflammatory NSAIDS like bute to mask milder pain, inflammation and fatigue.  If a horse needs painkillers, it probably shouldn't be running.   Montanabw (talk) 23:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Although the anon's facts are wrong, they had probably heard of pin firing. - Josette (talk) 00:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

What is described sounds more like denerving, which is sometimes performed on horses with navicular disease. While I read a harrowing account of this in a novel when I was a kid, I prefer to believe it's not actually done for this purpose. Wi2g 00:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Denerving, sadly, is used on racehorses but it is completely illegal and hopefully rare. A well-known British trainer was recently banned for four years for the practice. Tigerboy1966 (talk) 12:33, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Trivia
Oldest jockey club (founded 1734): Charleston Jockey Club, VA. Shortest odds ever for a winning horse: Dragon Blood (Lester Piggot up) 1 June 1967, at 10000:1. Trekphiler 04:42 & Trekphiler 04:47, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Negative slant
Is it really appropriate for the kidnapping of Shergar to be the only fact mentioned concerning Irish horse racing? Surely there are more germane facts to mention, like listing Irish Classic races or a list of great Irish racehorses?


 * I've made a start on implementing your suggestion but I wouldn't consider myself knowledgable enough to expand any more than what I've already written. I don't think the Shergar incident deserves mention at all;  Irish racing is much bigger than a kidnapping that happened over 20 years ago. Jimg 14:38, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Sounds & terminology
Can someone add a section on sounds and jargon? Ewlyahoocom 02:54, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Harness racing more popular than thoroughbred racing in Europe?
"Harness racing is also popular in the eastern United States and more popular than thoroughbred racing in Canada and Europe." I don't know about Canada but I cannot believe that this is the case in Europe. I'm not sure what measure was being used make this judgement but in terms of television and newspaper coverage, crowds, levels of betting, amounts paid for horses, etc. thouroughbred racing dwarfs harness racing in Europe. I am proposing to remove this claim from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.69.198.47 (talk • contribs) at 12 September 2006, 11:57 (UTC)


 * In the Netherlands, sulky racing used to be televized, while gallop racing was not. Bever (talk) 10:29, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

American circuits
The claim "Just as Americans differ from the British on which side of the road they drive, so too do they differ on which way a horse race is run around a track" simply can't be true, as there are many both left-hand and right-handed British circuits. As well as at least three (like Brighton and Epsom) which aren't circuits at all, some (like Cheltenham and Newmarket) where there are different courses possible over a large complex of tracks, and two figure-of-eight circuits where the horses cross their own path.

Also it doesn't say which way round American races are run.

Also it does not include enough about the contributions of Colonel William Whitley to the introduction of horse racing to Bluegrass Kentucky.

So I delete that paragraph. --KenBrown 08:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The real difference between US and British courses is that the British are varied in shape, often quite hilly, and have a wide variety of distances. American courses tend to be flat with gentle turns and all pretty much the same short distance. But someone who knows more about them than I do can document that. And perhaps they can say whether American courses are raced clockwise or anti-clockwise as well.

History??
shouldn't there be a history section? Hostile Hams 12:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I was just coming here to suggest the same thing! This article is very focused on modern racing, but horse racing has occurred in various forms for millennia! Also, what about the changing culture around racing: at times it has been a very popular sport, a "lower-class" sport, or an elitist entertainment. I don't know enough to write this, but someone should. Cmadler 17:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Good points, it seems to have some history per country but no overview.  Also it looks like it might have lost continuity when/if the Horseracing in Great Britain section was split out.  As the North American one starts with "Horse racing in the United States and on the North American continent dates back to the establishment of another course named Newmarket... without article having mentioned the British Newmarket -Hunting dog (talk) 13:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Palio di Siena
Palio di Siena has nothing to do with sport horse racing. It is an historical race. So, it should be removed from this page.

Copyright infringement?
I suspect a copyright infringement in the Korean section of the article in that most of the text appears to have been copied from this Asian Racing Federation page. Could someone with knowledge of copyright check it out. - Cuddy Wifter 01:17, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Racecourse grade
Can anyone explain the system of grades for racecourses? Maybe put this explaination in the article if it deserves a mention. For example, the lead for the Epsom Downs Racecourse describes it as a grade-one racecourse. I'm a horse racing layman and I'm unclear. This would certainly be informative for other readers. Sloman (talk) 09:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Clean up
Added clean up guys, the article needs more organization with topics and subtopics. Thanks Camilo Sanchez (talk) 07:48, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

If someone has time to fix it, the section on muscle fibers could be deleted, and the links put in to direct to the muscle page. It doesnt really fit to have a general muscle physiology section in this article as well as repeated elsewhere in Wikipedia. Clovis Sangrail (talk) 05:00, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Some of the claims are distinctly out of date- It claims that the Japan cup is the largest turf racing purse in the world, and the the Prix de L'arc de Triomphe is 2nd largest, and yet the Melbourne Cup was just run with a purse of 6.4 million $US, and the Japan cup has only 5.88 million $US in purse... 58.175.129.99 (talk) 14:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Horse racing in Mauritius
Anyone notice that the Horse racing in Mauritius section reads like an ad... and the entire references section for the Horse Racing page seems to be ad's for the same course 'Champs de Mars' in Mauritius! Any ideas on rejigging that? -Hunting dog (talk) 07:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * note to self and  closest thing I can find to neutral secondary sources at moment. -Hunting dog (talk) 08:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree. I found one reference for the info I left, then dumped the rest. It was just an ad. Bob98133 (talk) 13:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That definitely seems the right sort of tone now. Unfortunately I'm fairly sure the claim the reference makes that its the second oldest racecourse in the world is wrong.... (there's at least two early 1700's claims for British courses alone). Champ de Mars Racecourse claims the 'club' is second oldest, which might be more plausible, the ref's that gives are timing out on my internet at moment though.  Seems this section (and the Champs de Mars article) might still need a bit of work.  I'll see if I can find anything more conclusive, unless you have any inspiration first. -Hunting dog (talk) 18:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Dangers of horse racing
I reverted this info about the fatality rate of other sports since it is not relevant to horse racing, but it has been replaced. It is a very incomplete list and doesn't include bowling, base jumping, or many sports which did not even exist in 1984. I think the list should be deleted. Bob98133 (talk) 20:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Bowling is unlikely to have a fatality rate that is relevant for comparison, and I'm not sure base jumping is actually widely acknowledged as a sport, so I don't really see the point of this argument. -Hunting dog (talk) 20:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * What does the fatality rate of college football have to do with horseracing? Those other stats do not belong in the article since they are not about horseracing. The point you didn't see is that base jumping and bowling have about as much to do with horse racing as scuba diving, mountaineering and the others listed - which is nothing at all. Bob98133 (talk) 20:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


 * My thinking is that a fair comparison is to note some fatality rates in other sports to show where horse racing ranks in relative terms. For example, comparing sports seen as very dangerous, such as boxing, to horse racing, provides the non-horse-owning reader a base to understand the risks of the sport.  I see no need for a huge laundry list, and good footnotes would be wise, but I do think a limited comparison is appropriate, which is why I restored it.  JMO.   Montanabw (talk) 20:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I replaced the section with the comparisons to other sports with some more recent referenced material about horse racing dangers and added info about injuries and horse deaths since that was implied in the 1st sentence but never developed. Hope this works for you. I just think that if a section is called Dangers in the horse racing article, then it should be about dangers of horse racing. I appreciate the comparison in numbers to other sports, but if it doesn't make sense as stated, throwing in off-subject comparisons just muddies things. If you think this drastically needs some other comparison, I suppose you could throw in something like "even more dangerous than hang gliding, mountaineering..." Bob98133 (talk) 20:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It works for me. (smile)   Montanabw (talk) 03:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

steeplechase - could us ref
Hey 149... Sorry if I reverted info that was incorrect. I don't really know about horse racing and there was no explanation for the change. This info must be in some sort of rules or regulations. It would be nice to see a reference for it if you know of one. That way if it were changed, other editors could check the ref to make sure the right info is restored. Thanks Bob98133 (talk) 16:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Memo to Ernest The Sheep
''(The following was left on Ernest The Sheep's talk page and is copied here because it relevant to the article) Kaiwhakahaere (talk)

Your recent edit to the New Zealand section of the horse article removed the names of Phar Lap and Tulloch. When I restored those names in the edit previous to yours, my edit summary said "Read two paragraphs above - "The bloodstock industry is important to New Zealand, with the export sale of horses". That includes Tulloch and Phar Lap". And yet you still reverted by eliminating those two horses, leaving the edit summary "Will it never end?, LOL". You didn't give a reason for the revert. All you did was disrupt wikipedia. I have reverted to the version which includes Phar Lap and Tulloch who are both products of the New Zealand horse racing stud industry. Read the cites. Where they later raced can never preclude them from being part of the NZ horse industry. So please don't revert again.Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 01:31, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Italy
I am not a member of wikipedia, but I am Italian.

1) As previously mentioned. Palio has nothing to do with sport. It can't be included in the list. 2) Italy has a great tradition of harness. These are the main races: a) Harness: http://www.ippica.info/corsetrotto.htm b) Thoroughbred: http://www.ippica.info/corsegaloppo.htm c) Obstacles: http://www.ippica.info/corseostacoli.htm

In no sites about sport horse racing will you find any information about Palio. Palio is not a sport horse race.

http://www.unire.it http://www.ippica.info/ http://www.ippica.biz/ http://www.hippoweb.it/index.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.109.226.60 (talk) 11:33, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Article should be about Horse Racing, not just thoroughbreds
Thoroughbred, Arabians, Quarter horses all have races for them. This article should be rewritten to include those as well. Thoroughbreds may be the most famous of the racing breeds, but are by no means the only. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.118.116.79 (talk) 17:14, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * No real argument here, and there is also [{Thoroughbred horse race]]. The problem is that all the horse racing articles need some serious reorganizing and re-structuring and no one seems to have the time to do so.  For now, the best interim solution is to probably add some nice sections here on racing in the other breeds.  Don't forget that they race Appies and Paints too.  Eventually someone will have the time, motivation and energy to clean up this mess.   Montanabw (talk) 02:10, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Pedigree
I don't know who wrote this but it is factually incorrect. The most expensive stallions are not neccessarily the most successful racehorses, for example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.209.44 (talk • contribs) 14:54, 22 September 2009
 * You're right, thanks, I clarified the sentence to be a bit more accurate. - Josette (talk) 02:07, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, made changes to this section before I saw this talk. The alleged value of a pedigree is impossible to describe with any accuracy, nor is it of much value to the topic of horse racing. I removed the explanation of terms and replaced them with wiki links, and removed speculation about the usefulness/value of pedigree. If the value of a pedigree horse is germane to the article, perhaps some referenced examples could be inserted. Bob98133 (talk) 13:04, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I just changed one word of a poorly written section. I had very little invested. Thank you for your substantial changes. The section makes more sense now. - Josette (talk) 18:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Embryo transfer technology is not permitted in TBs, uncertain about Sbs. Cgoodwin (talk) 23:10, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I clarified it a bit for now, but good point about Thoroughbreds (live cover only), I don't know about Sbs except they do allow artificial insemination so maybe. That part of the section should be rewritten and have a good source. - Josette (talk) 23:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that embryo transfer is permitted in Sbs; seem to remember the US Trotting Association recently rewriting its rules to regulate it. Wi2g 01:54, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Italy
I am not a member of wikipedia, but I am Italian.

1) As previously mentioned. Palio has nothing to do with sport. It can't be included in the list. 2) Italy has a great tradition of harness. These are the main races: a) Harness: http://www.ippica.info/corsetrotto.htm b) Thoroughbred: http://www.ippica.info/corsegaloppo.htm c) Obstacles: http://www.ippica.info/corseostacoli.htm

In no sites about sport horse racing will you find any information about Palio. Palio is not a sport horse race.

http://www.unire.it http://www.ippica.info/ http://www.ippica.biz/ http://www.hippoweb.it/index.php

And don't forget that people of Siena get really angry when someone compares Palio with a sport horse race!

Victor Chandler
Just removed a link to the Victor Chandler betting site from IP user 212.22.228.187, which turns out to be from the ISP for Victor Chandler Online (Gibraltar). Not subtle. If they try this crap again I'll see about getting them blocked.  Tigerboy1966  17:13, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Italy
I repeat this message.

1) As previously mentioned. Palio has nothing to do with sport. It can't be included in the list. 2) Italy has a great tradition of harness. These are the main races: a) Harness: http://www.ippica.info/corsetrotto.htm b) Thoroughbred: http://www.ippica.info/corsegaloppo.htm c) Obstacles: http://www.ippica.info/corseostacoli.htm

In no sites about sport horse racing will you find any information about Palio. Palio is not a sport horse race.

http://www.unire.it http://www.ippica.info/ http://www.ippica.biz/ http://www.hippoweb.it/index.php

And don't forget that people of Siena get really angry when someone compares Palio with a sport horse race! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.205.193.137 (talk) 12:01, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Edits and Commentary
Just removed two references to families which were irrelevant to the larger subject of the article. Both were unreferenced and likely put in by members of said families. Good riddance. Also, horse racing is reputed to be in decline, its popularity fading precipitously. There's nothing in the article at all about this subject. Tapered (talk) 01:31, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Horse racing is an international sport which occurs in many countries. Exactly where is horse racing's popularity fading precipitously? It's certainly not in Australia, and judging from the crowds and media coverage at the recent Ascot meetings in the UK, not there either. Cuddy Wifter (talk) 02:30, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I would agree with Cuddy about "precipitously," but in the USA, gambling revenues are down and tracks are having trouble.    Montanabw (talk) 16:18, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Canada too apparently- see Fort Erie Race Track and this story My impression in Britain is that the big showcase meetings are booming but that the grassroots are really struggling. But without hard figures it's hard to tell. And what about Hong Kong, Singpore, Japan, UAE? Things seem to be going well in Asia.   Tigerboy1966   16:54, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Definitely true in the USA. Off-track betting has also been a factor.   Montanabw (talk) 18:56, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Contradicting my comment about the British situation is this story from 2010. And trust me, you don't get any more "grass roots" than Plumpton and Carlisle.  Tigerboy1966  20:51, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Add horseracing in Bangkok Thailand ?
I do remember a horsetrack on the bangkok map, but never visited to see if races were done there. maybe someone can research it and find out if its worthy to be added under Asia.

http://www.rbsc.org/RacingFixtures.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gizziiusa (talk • contribs) 05:09, 30 December 2012 (UTC)


 * If you find anything, let us know!  Montanabw (talk) 21:01, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
 * For the information of anyone thinking of doing an article on the subject, check these links
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 * Cuddy Wifter (talk) 21:42, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Horse racing
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Horse racing's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "PRC": From Horseracing in the Philippines:  From United States:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:30, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Should United States section be condensed and have a separate page linked to in the article?
It seems odd to me that some countries have brief sections and then their own pages linked to within the article, and others like the US don't.

North America, for example, has a large section about horse racing history, tracks etc. that dominates the page. Yet countries like Great Britain have incredibly brief sections with a link to a more in-depth article.

Should 'Horse racing in the United States' not be a separate article linked to in this article? That way we could condense the North American section down to a more concise description. Those interested in a more in-depth look could click on the separate page. That would make the article more even-handed, less US-centric. 77.99.12.140 (talk) 15:55, 5 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The whole article kind of sucks, overlarge sections are the least of its problems. Personally, I'd love to see ALL these "horse racing in country X sections tossed into some other article altogether (like "list of race tracks in country X")  and this be an overview of horse racing generally.   Montanabw (talk) 01:52, 6 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Agreed, there might be a more sensible way of dividing this article up. However, as a partial solution to the issue I mentioned, I created this page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_racing_in_the_United_States using the information on the main article. I then condensed the United States section of this 'Horse racing' article down to a more reasonable size and linked to the new dedicated page. I hope people can see the rationale behind this.
 * 77.99.12.140 (talk) 01:24, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The creation of the new page was good, I noticed that France and the UK appear to also have their own. That said I restored a bit of what you cut here, but still have it chopped by at least half.  Montanabw (talk) 04:46, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for poking this section back awake, but I made a list: IFHA. It may have doubles, but its mean to illustrate... something. Maybe be useful someday. ※〶 16:50, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Merging Thoroughbred horse racing into this article has been discussed before, seemingly inconclusively, in 2007 - Talk:Thoroughbred_horse_racing. Since both articles still have multiple issues, I would like to reactivate the debate. The way I see it, there is little in Thoroughbred horse racing that cannot be incorporated into this article or into the page about the Thoroughbred breed or into the growing number of articles on individual countries such as Horse racing in the United Kingdom. I am making it my task for the next few months to improve this article, so I am happy to take on the work. I would like to hear other's opinions on the matter though. Peaky76 (talk) 15:45, 27 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest the other way around. Basically, this article should, eventually, cover ALL types of racing and be the "overview" article from which everything spins off by use of "main" links.  For example, we do this at horse, sending people to articles on anatomy, equestrianism, sport, yada, yada, yada... So, basically, this article should briefly discuss in summary style flat racing, with a spinoff, harness racing, which already has a spinoff, etc.  Thoroughbred horse racing (or perhaps flat racing) is one kind of horse racing and needs its own article, just a better-quality one.  IMHO a lot of the "racing by country" stuff here really belongs elsewhere, and I for one would stand up and cheer were you to make "horse racing in country X" articles out of all the subsections here.  (Maybe "by continent" for Asia, depends on length)  but no, the Thoroughbred article is about the breed, not the sport, so clearly not the home for the cruft that has accumulated here.   Montanabw (talk) 22:26, 27 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks Montana. All good points. Do you think this article would work OK as follows? A section on types of racing (flat, jumps, harness etc.) with links to main articles on each; a section on racing breeds (thoroughbred, quarter horse, Arabian) with links to main articles then a reduced section on racing by country. I've already started shifting some of the "horse racing in country X" material to separate articles as you suggest. Peaky76 (talk) 22:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I like that. Just capitalize the breed names, they are proper nouns (grin).  I'm almost wondering if the "by country" stuff could just be a simple chart here, linked to the spinoff articles.  I kind of suck at charts, but a basic design idea is like the one I have for color patterns at leopard complex, or the one for the subspecies at rainbow trout.  Basically, have a column for country, linked to the spinoff, and in the chart a short paragraph with very basic summary info.  I may do a run through and copyedit here eventually. Revert or discuss anything I do that you aren't so sure about.  No worries Montanabw (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. Yes, I might have a go at a chart when I get a moment! Peaky76 (talk) 08:55, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Problem gambling issue
I have posted the question of whether to add a link to problem gambling in this article's see also section at the WP gambling task force. I am of the view that the link is an all-or-none issue; if all the gambling articles contain such a link (and arguably, if they do, there probably needs to be a navbox created), then I don't object here. But if it's just a few and it's inconsistent, I don't want to see horse racing singled out. Other thoughts? Montanabw (talk) 21:44, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, i didn´t mean to start such a discussion, but as the user adding the problem gambling link, i would propouse to add problem gambling to all the gambling related articles, maybe as a category or navbox as Montanabw suggested. I don´t believe than i can tackle the whole issue myself, so i would like to ask for help to cover this issue.--Euroescritor (talk) 07:57, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I asked at wikiproject gambling. They oppose it. I think that the proposal is beyond the scope of this article and discussion belongs elsewhere.  Until there is a project-wide consensus, I oppose it, per my comments below, we don't have links to alcoholism in every beer, wine and spirits article, we don't have links to diabetes in every article about candy, and I don't see why we ned a link to problem gambling in every article that concerns wagering, either.  Montanabw (talk)  18:08, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Moving talk page discussion at my talk here as well. Montanabw (talk) 18:08, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Horse racing & Problem gambling
Hi Monta, i would like to discuss your revert edition on my edit about ludomania, and the relationship of all the gambling games, i would say casino, i would say slot machines, i would say horse racing, it has a delicate realationship with ludomania, so i belive the edition should be reverted again, thanks.--Euroescritor (talk) 18:41, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Basically, if your goal is to insert the article on problem gambling into every article that covers a wagering topic, that is probably WP:UNDUE (I don't see links to alcoholics anonymous on every article about liquor). I think this is an issue to take up with the appropriate wikiprojects, not just me.   Montanabw (talk)  20:05, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi M, i don´t really have a goal, but improving the data from Wikipedia. I observe relationship between gambling and gambling problems. I don´t observe relationship between horse riding and gambling, but with horse racing...

About alcoholics anonymous, it´s an international association, with a great job, but it does not mean alcoholism, and i do see relationship between liquor and alcoholism, but it´s out of my scope right now, thanks for the tip.

About my edition, i would take the discussion to the article´s talk page, but i usually reach for the user´s talk page before going to the article´s talk page--Euroescritor (talk) 07:52, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * There are many other topics that have a relationship to gambling besides problem gambling, and they are best reached by navigating through the category tree under Category:Gambling. Highlighting problem gambling above all those other pages gives the appearance of pushing a POV. If there is a particular relationship between horse racing and problem gambling, it can be discussed in this article (with cites to reliable sources), and the link can be included in-line in the appropriate section. Toohool (talk) 23:32, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You´ve mention that there´re many other topics related to horse racing, but i think the subject about a human disease linked to gambling and horse racing, should be quite relevant, so i don´t think it´s a case of POV, might be a bit of online clumsiness, but i think the issue it´s fairly solid.--Euroescritor (talk) 19:19, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Horse racing doesn't have a relationship to problem gambling. Sports betting, handicapping, off track betting... betting on horse racing has a relationship to problem gambling.  You should familiarize yourself with appropriate articles and see how they address problem gambling, not leap to the broadest article covering a subject.  Similarly people wager on golf, but adding a problem gambling link to the general golf article is a bad idea. 2005 (talk) 21:15, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Good analogy, 2005, thanks. I agree.  Well-stated.   Montanabw (talk)  05:20, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

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 * Greece: I actually considered using word "due"....
 * Mauritius: Well, bad parapharasing made sense in head. And those behind those links I listed is stuff I listed. Not horse racing-related stuff (unless you buy ticket online or consider getting villa there) and site with error.
 * China: That mainland part made me cry with all dated information. I just updated it without cleaning it up much. And what comes to Hong Kong and Macau, I think those two should be combined because they run under same rules.
 * Criticism: ... Yes, rephrasing is good, but why change a year and certain word so article gives impression Japanese government is lying?
 * Other: I included wikirefs (in good faith, again) only because people may not be familiar with other than Western to write years. And McNamara... Guess there is no excuse there.※〶 02:12, 17 September 2016 (UTC)


 * We simply cannot use a wikilink as a reference. Please read WP:RS and WP:CITE.  You have to learn how to do proper citations, as what you are writing is unclear with the methods you are using.  Keep trying but you have to work on your grammatical structure and using the proper format.   Montanabw (talk) 07:30, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

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Updating/Adding Information
Hello all, I was browsing through the article and noticed there was a bit of outdated information as well as information that could stand to be added. For one, there is mention of the Pegasus World Cup still being the world's richest race, but this is no longer the case. There is also a section that perhaps could be added in/around the Harness racing section. Perhaps there should be mention of ridden trot/pace races as well? It might be too specific, but I am thinking it fits considering it is a form of racing. As there is a section mentioning some of the criticisms of the sport without citation I wonder if we should simply add citations to the current text or if it is better to add more detail then do the same. In order to seem neutral would it be considered acceptable to offer rebuttals or counterarguments to inspire more though or not? Also unless I missed it, there appears to be no mention of the China Horse Club who are furthering the sport in mainland China. I am not trying to promote them, but they would factor in to the history of the sport in the country. I complied a list of sources that support my claims above. I know they're not necessarily organized as of yet, but before I started poking around in the article I wanted to see what the community here thought and if these would be considered appropriate references. Thank you everyone.

https://alphasportsbetting.com/sports-betting-strategies/how-to-bet-from-the-uae

https://www.sbnation.com/2019/1/26/18196598/pegasus-world-cup-2019-purse-prize-money

http://chinahorseclub.com/en/about-us/introduction/

https://phys.org/news/2013-04-two-year-old-thoroughbreds-detrimental.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jPslWArjpw

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/03/the-ugly-truth-about-horse-racing/284594/

https://www.hrnz.co.nz/news-and-events/latest-news/5448-the-birth-of-saddle-trot-racing-in-nz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGJcKRFKWtQ

MasterOfCider (talk) 03:30, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Images should be aligned with textPhilip Oreste (talk) 13:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Animal welfare/controversy
Is there any reason this is not mentioned on the page? I see a section on dangers which covers horse mortality and jocky injuries, but nothing on the welfare of the animals themselves. Is there any reason for this? I feel like it's a pretty important topic that would be good to cover from an unbias perspective DreamlessGlare (talk) 23:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Looking through version history of this article I found this edit containing a section on cruelty just before it was removed by the next edit for being "subjectively anti horse racing". Which is true, this was very poorly written with some very bold claims such as "Horse racing has operated for over 150 years without any consideration given to the animal it uses" which clearly isn't true. However no attempt to create a new section replacing the old one was made as far as I can tell. I will be working on a new and improved section probably called "horse welfare" or "criticism". DreamlessGlare (talk) 19:58, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Naming rules?
The system of naming for race horses is quite complex and notable, yet I cannot find it on this page. Would be interested to see if this is wanted here, or if this has been proposed before. Likeanechointheforest (talk) 21:34, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

ancient betting
ancient betting has been used all throughout Histoey 50.237.71.98 (talk) 13:44, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Race records (past performances in USA speak)
Letting you know that the website 'racehorsetalk.com.au' is about to be shut down by its owner. It was run as a hobby. It contains hundreds of complete race records (past performances in USA speak) of notable horses from around the world some of which have not been covered by wikipedia. Anyone interested should access the material before the end of the month the likely end date. I have a copy of some of the material on the website as a contributor. Tom (USA) Rolfe (talk) 05:43, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Tarragon (AUS) 1858 : Notable horse ?
I haven't been able to find a reference to the racehorse, Tarragon (AUS) 1858, on  wikipedia. He was a bay horse by New Warrior (GB) 1851 - Ludia (AUS) 1850 who raced in Australia with a career  record of: 24 starts: 13 wins, incl. 1 x dead heat, won run-off, 6 seconds, 1 thirds. Win % 54.2, Place % 83.3. He won 4 races later classified as group 1 on the introduction of the group/grade racing system in Australia. An article on his achievements was published in the Australian Town and Country Journal (Sydney, NSW : 1870 -  1919) Saturday 22 October 1870 at page 24 which is available for  viewing for free under the 'Trove' section of the National Library of  Australia website. I can send further information to anyone interested by email. Tom (USA) Rolfe (talk) 00:44, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Glencoe II - career record
I have updated the career record for 'Glencoe II' on pedigreequery.com to read 58 starts, 18 wins, 10 places, 7 shows. The career record does not appear on the wikipedia page of 'Glencoe !!'. If the author of the wikipedia article wants a copy of his complete racing record/past performances I can email a copy to the author's email address if the author sends me the email address. Tom (USA) Rolfe (talk) 22:23, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Racing records / past performance of notable Australian throughbreds
For those wishing to research that racing records / past performances of notable Australian throughbreds note that the Australian racing museum has recently posted a digitised copy of Australian Turf Registers online (at https://collection.racingmuseum.com.au/highlights/turf-reg/objects) covering the racing years 1867 to 1977. No registration and no fee is required to gain access. Tom (USA) Rolfe (talk) 22:41, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

2024 Kentucky Derby prep races
A list of the prep races and winners of the prep races for the Kentucky Derby 150 on May 4, 2024 Jktmiami (talk) 18:12, 25 March 2024 (UTC)