Talk:ITV Wales & West

TMI: Too Many Images?
I say put the two HTV logos on this page as a historical TV reference.
 * There are now far too many images on this page. It looks like an amateur geocities site. The JPS 17:04, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks to MrWeeble for tidying up the images. Isn't there supposed to be some limit on the number of fair use images per article? The JPS 19:18, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Due to the fact that HTV is in-theory non existant, I would split this article in two, ITV1 Wales and ITV1 West. HTV in my opinion by the end of this decade will cease in full (thats just my prediction). Also the HTV corporate website has ceased to exist.

Amlder20 21:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * HTV Group Ltd (or similar) remains the licence holder for the region in question. Plenty of people have tried to start ITV Someregion articles but these get redirected to the licence holder - the name that the majority know the region by, that is the legal holder of the licence, that still exists as a subsidiary of ITV plc, that contains the entire history - sometimes 50 years of history - of the company, region and programmes. "In theory" non-existence and "in my opinion" and "that's just my prediction" items are non-encyclopedic (they're original research, for instance). Wikipedia is not Wikinews - we don't need to be on top of what is happening, just what has happened. When it comes to pass that HTV is forgotten and "ITV1 West" or whatever is entirely established, then we can disestablish this article. Hope that makes sense! And thanks for the suggestions! ➨  ЯEDVERS  22:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

ITV Regional Companies Official Name changes
On 29 December 2006, the following ITV companies officially changed their names:


 * Meridian Broadcasting Limited became ITV Meridian Ltd
 * Central Independent Television became ITV Central Ltd
 * Border Television became ITV Border Ltd
 * HTV Group became ITV Wales and West Ltd

See http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk and search under "ITV" - URL linking is not supported. So that signalled the death knell for HTV then. Marbles 19:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I think now is the proper time to remove the "ITV Wales and West Ltd" names from here and set-up that new article. HTV has become the "old" station and has 'in-reality' ceased to exist. 82.11.221.164 23:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Reading the above comments I already suggested it before, last year as a matter of fact. I strongly think this article should be made in the past tense for HTV, a company that now clearly does not exist. Amlder20 23:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree. HTV should be redirected to "ITV Wales and West Ltd". It's not the name of the company anymore, it's not the name(s) seen on screen, it just does not exist anymore. (January 9, 2007)


 * If it must be moved, please can we drop the Ltd and use ITV Wales and West - it fits in nicer with the other regional names such as ITV London and ITV Thames Valley. HTV is the most common (and officially licenced by Ofcom's contracts) name, so I'm a bit uncertain what to do. Marbles 19:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I recommend a once and for all clear break between HTV and ITV Wales and West. It's time to stop the link for ITV Wales and West from redirecting to HTV and creating a new Article under this name and leaving HTV as a historical TV article, afterall clearly ITV is trying to show the general public that HTV is a broadcaster of the past. Amlder20 21:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Why not have a vote on this issue, maybe it will help with public opinion, the choice? Should it remain HTV on Wikipedia or ITV Wales and West with HTV as a historical reference. Amlder20 20:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You can't put HTV as a historical reference to ITV Wales and West as it is the same company, just a different name. 34 years as HTV and 4 as ITV Wales and West - what should we do? Marbles 11:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Due to the blurring of the roles of the former Westcountry and HTV West regions play within the current ITV West region, I believe that HTV should probably get its own page distinct from the ITV Wales and West page, which could take up the story from the point the HTV name disappeared from the screen.

However, this is such a grey area that any decision will be unsatifactory from some points of view. Kecske Bak 10:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As said, it is still referred to by most people as "HTV", and infact the legal contracts with Ofcom are still made to HTV. It has been known on-air as HTV for 34 years and ITV Wales/West for a mere 4, so it seems natural to leave it as HTV. /Marbles 12:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It's been moved again, with no consensus reached. Let's reach one! Malpass93 (talk) 18:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * My viewpoint is unchanged as per the February 2007 response (is it really that long ago?!) /Marbles (talk) 00:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I have the same opinion as you - that is that I believe HTV is a better place for it. That's why I'm annoyed that whomever moved it did not discuss it, especially since the last time this was raised, the consensus was to not move it. Malpass93 (talk) 08:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:HTV West logo.jpg
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Fair use rationale for Image:HTV Wales logo.jpg
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Information Request - HTV General Service
Hello people, I just wanted to know more about the HTV General Service, how it functioned alongside the West and Wales stations and why the General Service ceased? 82.11.221.164 22:24, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

HTV or ITV Wales and West?
HTV and ITV Wales and West are effectivly the same company. no subsidary swaps or new company has been assigned to run the Wales and West Dual franchise this is recognised on Companyhouse Therefore HTV should stay in the article though it does need tidying up and HTV didn't disappear til 2006 legally -Anon ( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.228.59 (talk • contribs) 16:27, 8 September 2008 )

HTV 'unique' in serving two countries
The original said: HTV was in a unique position of being the only ITV company to serve two distinct countries (Wales and the west of England) and therefore two distinct languages and cultures, and had studios in Cardiff (built around an old farm house in Pontcanna) and Bristol (in Brislington).

Of course, this isn't true. It was not unique. Border Television served two countries (or three if you include the Isle of Man, which most Manx people would). Channel Television served more than two jurisdictions. Jersey and Guernsey would each describe themselves as countries. Alderney and Sark might too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.137.24.38 (talk) 17:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Merged into HTV
I have moved all of teh information from this article into HTV, as they are exactly the same company, the only difference is that they are branded differently. The new HTV article has greater continuity and makes more sense. Rafmarham (talk) 11:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

We need to sort this out
I've 'mended' this page which was still set as a redirect to Talk:ITV Wales & West. Personally I would have said it would be 'cleaner' to move ITV Wales & West back to HTV but User:Kljones01‎ has set the ball rolling now which is a start (and consequently made the move impossible at user level).

But there remain the following problems:


 * Complete lack of consistency amongst ITV franchise articles. This one is now a 'past tense' article referring to HTV as a former entity. Personally this is the style I believe makes the most sense, but looking at Yorkshire Television or Central Independent Television, these are written in the present tense, nodding to the fact they still exist as ITV Yorkshire and ITV Central.


 * ITV Wales & West is now a bit of a non-article that seems very much out of place. There are, for example, no 'ITV Yorkshire' or 'ITV Central' dedicated articles and I doubt there is enough meat on the bone to sustain this or other such 'new style' articles as separate. Logically it seems like it (ITV Wales & West) should be merged either to ITV1, ITV or a new ITV Regions article.


 * Expect some to contest that HTV and ITV Wales & West are one and the same, legally and practically being but a name change and company takeover. This is technically true, but for encyclopaedic reasons it is worth arguing that individual franchises have enough history and noteworthiness (especially compared to the largely non-regional ITV1 that they deserve separation. There are plenty of examples of articles that have 'survived' mergers and takeovers, Associated TeleVision as separate from Central Independent Television being an example close to home.

I advocate this style of article, but it needs to be implemented across the board. In other words, serious work needs doing to every single other franchise article, making them into the 'past tense' and dealing with what little regionality on ITV remains.

Thoughts? -- Fursday 02:57, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I am going to merge ITV Wales and West back into HTV, as they are both the same compnay, just the name has changed. It is the same story as all the other regions. Besides, there is not enough information to suistain the ITV Wales and West article on it's own.Rafmarham (talk) 07:57, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:HTV (disambiguation) - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 00:41, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Why has this been moved again? This is the only article for the ITV franchises that features the 'new' company name - the rest are still under the traditional name e.g. Granada Television, Meridian Broadcasting, Central Independent Television. The only regional articles featuring the ITV name are the non franchise regions such as ITV London and ITV Tyne Tees & Border. In my opinion this should still be back at HTV and ITV Wales and the West chould redirect to it. It is the same style as all the other regions so why is HTV an exempt case? Rafmarham (talk) 12:44, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

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Harlech Television
Isn't it time this old franchise article went back to being called Harlech Television as that's what it known by on the template, and I suppose that's what most people will be searching online for alongside the letters HTV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.238.174 (talk) 18:32, 9 December 2020 (UTC)