Talk:Iconectiv

Spin-off
This article fails to answer the first question I have in connection with Bellcore/Telcordia: why did the RBOCs spin it off? They founded it because they thought they needed an R&D outfit, their own version of Bell Labs. What changed?192.18.43.225 16:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

The regional Bell holding companies did not found BellCore after divestiture, it was created by AT&T before divestiture as the "Cental Servces Organization" to perform many of the coordinating activities that AT&T/Western Electric previously performed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Fair use rationale for Image:Bellcore.jpg
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Fair use rationale for Image:Telcordia logo.gif
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Bellcore standards
The article does not mention nor refer to the Bellcore standards. Whereas the article does mention the fact that the company has at some point in its past engaged in standardisation activities, it does not mention that Bellcore was in fact an issuer of standards. I remember only one (GR-303; linked to from V5 interface) but there were definitely many more. Could anyone add a list, similar to ITU-T? JanCeuleers (talk) 15:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Needs a rewrite.
That article is awful, especially since it's redirected from Bellcore. Bellcore was once the design and engineering part of the Bell System, with a long history. It was the parent of Bell Labs. Today, it's a minor unit of Ericsson. The article should cover the history. What Telcordia really does today is partly covered at Telcordia LERG Routing Guide. They used to manage the North American Numbering Plan for telephone numbers. Some carrier-neutral party has to do that. Right now, Neustar is doing that, but the contract goes up for bid this year and Telcordia is fighting for it.. Looks like Telcordia just won that one. Anyway, there's a lot to say about Telcordia, but that article doesn't say it. It reads like brochureware. John Nagle (talk) 18:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

COI
Article is being edited by a company rep,. I have tagged the article; the tag should not come off until an independent reviews it. Oleibowitz, you should not be directly editing this article. Please read WP:COI and follow the instructions there about making "edit requests" here on the talk page. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 20:59, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Unsourced material
I forgot to add a source to my last edit. As you can see from the text, there is nothing of a promotional nature in it. Please do not remove it as it is now properly sourced. Thanks. HelloDragonKeeper (talk) 20:29, 7 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I hear you about the source. I found an independent source. I also found a lot of interesting information about the process of awarding this contract. It was covered quite extensively in the media. I am going through it now and will add some more detail.HelloDragonKeeper (talk) 21:39, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 22:03, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Proposing updates and name change
Hello! I'm here as part of my work at Beutler Ink for LEVICK on behalf of iconectiv to suggest a few improvements to this article. In particular, I'd like to address the broken citations and discuss whether the article name should be changed to iconectiv.

I noticed above that another editor, Oleibowitz, was identified as having a COI. I want to be clear that I have no connection with this user. I will never edit the article directly and intend only to make edit requests here on the Talk page.

First, I'd like to make a case for the larger change: renaming the entry to iconectiv. As the article already states, Telcordia has been doing business as iconectiv since 2013 and, according to Ericsson, operates solely as the iconectiv brand. There is no longer a Telcordia website (but instead the company site is iconectiv.com). News articles about the company typically mention both names or simply iconectiv. What do other editors think?

Second, many of the links in the citations point to pages that no longer exist. I have prepared fixes for several of the references below:


 * Updated ISBN in reference 2 ("The SAIC Solution: How We Built an $8 Billion Employee-Owned Technology Company")


 * Updated link for reference 4 ("Bellcore 3.0")


 * Updated link for reference 9 ("Ericsson deepens back-office focus with Telcordia acquisition") to an available page


 * Updated link for reference 12 (“Ericsson Completes Telcordia Purchase”) to correct page


 * Updated link for reference 15 (“Telcordia Applied Communication Sciences Becomes Wholly Owned Subsidiary of Telcordia Technologies”) to an available page


 * Updated reference 18 to include a bit more information

I'm hoping others will be able to make these edits after reviewing them. Thanks in advance! Heatherer (talk) 13:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

I completed your request for reference updates as proposed. Thanks for the updates. A name change should perhaps involve broader discussion, and should consider WP:COMMONNAME. Kbrose (talk) 20:17, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much, . I appreciate you making those updates and your input! Heatherer (talk) 20:59, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 1 June 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved. Andrewa (talk) 10:26, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Telcordia Technologies → iconectiv – The company announced it was renaming to iconectiv in 2013 and the company's current work is being done under this name. iconectiv is Telcordia's official dba. Other articles titled by their dba include Chase and ABET. See this discussion for more information. In the interest of disclosure: I have a financial COI with the subject. Heatherer (talk) 22:16, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   08:37, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


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Without any discussions of the matter and input from multiple editors, this page should not have been moved. Telcordia is a widely recognized name and it is still the official legal name of the business, and many references and postings by the company, as recently as this week, still start out by announcing, in this manner for example: "Telcordia Technologies, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of Ericsson, doing business as iconectiv, develops market leading.....". It is not clear to me that the new dba name is sufficiently recognized to warrant a move, and the old name is clearly not invalid, and in fact used by the company as primary identification. Other service websites by the company state currently:  iconectiv is a trademark or registered trademark of Telcordia Technologies, Inc.. Kbrose (talk) 12:33, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


 * As you'll see below, I'm reopening the move request to get more input on this, given that at least one editor (beside me) was in agreement with moving the page. While obviously Telcordia is the name that the company has been using for longer and is therefore in more sourcing, iconectiv is now used as the primary brand name. Given that this is the company's official DBA, at the least, it would be helpful to readers to have the name in the first line of the article to avoid confusion. In any case, I'd like to see what the broader consensus is and hope this time the requested move gains more attention. Heatherer (talk) 19:38, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 17 June 2016

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The result of the move request was: Not moved per NAMECHANGES. (closed by a page mover) Wikipedian Sign Language  Paine   20:38, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Telcordia Technologies → iconectiv – The company announced it was renaming to iconectiv in 2013 and the company's current work is being done under this name. iconectiv is Telcordia's official dba. Other articles titled by their dba include Chase and ABET. See this discussion for more information. In the interest of disclosure: I have a financial COI with the subject. Heatherer (talk) 19:38, 17 June 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. What's in your palette?  Paine   20:58, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi. As you can see, this is the second time I am posting this request. The first was closed without sufficient discussion to reach a clear consensus (the move was, who then closed the request, but then another on the basis that more discussion was required). I'm hoping to have more editor input this time. For a dissenting view, please see 's argument here. I've also invited everyone in the last discussion back to weigh in on this one as well. Thanks Heatherer (talk) 19:38, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Telcordia is a widely recognized name and it is still the official legal name of the business, and many references and postings by the company, as recently as this week, still start out by announcing, in this manner for example: "Telcordia Technologies, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of Ericsson, doing business as iconectiv, develops market leading.....". It is not clear to me that the new dba name is sufficiently recognized to warrant a move, and the old name is clearly not invalid, and in fact used by the company as primary identification. Other service websites by the company state currently:  iconectiv is a trademark or registered trademark of Telcordia Technologies, Inc.. Kbrose (talk) 12:33, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

As currently as March 16, 2016, Telcordia identifies itself clearly and unmistakably as Telcordia Technologies, even before the regulatory bodies of the US government (FCC), for example here: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2016/db0331/DA-16-344A1.pdf, as well as in numerous other postings by the company, including job postings. The current marketing flavors of the company should not be influence on independent media, such as WP, to set a norm for naming this article. In fact, there is no evident that WP:COMMONNAME should not apply in this case. Although the requester discloses financial interest voluntarily, the request is clearly motivated by his/her self-interest in receiving financial enumeration for having article on WP changed. Such interests have previously generated numerous complaints and conflicts on WP. The persistency can only be attributed to getting paid, and not in the interest of accuracy of WP material. Wikipedia articles should never become extensions of corporate marketing efforts and influences, but remain independent, neutral, and free. Kbrose (talk) 17:11, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


 * My relisting of this request is simply based on reaching consensus. As you had originally said, more input is needed on this and so that's what I'm seeking here: broad consensus one way or the other. Neither my salary nor my agency's payment hinges on any particular outcome here. I have no issue telling my client that the Wikipedia community is against a name change, I was just hoping to have more of the community chime in before then. Heatherer (talk) 14:17, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Kbrose I think the community will likely !vote as you have, but it is true that there was not a broad response to the first request and I see no problem with Heatherer seeking broader input. Jytdog (talk) 20:16, 24 June 2016 (UTC)


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Notable employees
Setup a similar section that was found on Bell Labs for their alumni. Since I do some related updates, added the section on AT&T with one employee and created the same section for Bellcore for one employee. There are many famous employees throughout the telecom industry.

Baby Bells?
There is no explanation or even a previous mention of what the "Baby Bells" are in the article. Maybe an explanation should be added, or the section should be renamed? I'd do it myself but I don't really trust myself to write something decent here. Maybeitsmir (talk) 18:26, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

the introductory segment reads like an ad
. 24.152.144.132 (talk) 21:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)