Talk:Indonesia

What English does Indonesia use?


According to the image above, Indonesia uses American spelling, and not British. The image's history shows Indonesia as red(🇬🇧), and was changed to blue(🇺🇸) about three years ago. If the file is right, every article on Indonesia will need to switch to American English. (If it's wrong only the file will need correcting.) If you're Indonesian or know enough about Indonesia to provide valid input, please give your two cents. (And I used flag emojis. Big deal.) IPs are people too 🇺🇸🦅 18:17, 3 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't there be a lot of overlap with media coming in from Malaysia and Singapore, both of which use variants of British English, Singaporean English and Malaysian English, since both MY and SG use Malay, and Indonesian intelligible with Malaysian Malay -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 05:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Indonesian rarely care about Singapore and Malaysia's media. So it wouldn't be a problem Kimanji1990 (talk) 05:03, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, Indonesia should be yellow. During our early education, we had been provided with edubooks with British spelling – colour instead of color. But, in the college and work, the certification requirement is commonly using TOEFL instead of IELTS. Also, Indonesia is one of the country with fastest internet-growing users, therefore with mainly American media consumed on the internet, we naturally using color more often and then forgot what have been taught about colour in class. EdhyRa (talk) 04:43, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

edit request
Please indicate the disambiguation page Indonesia (disambiguation)

Please add the hatnote:

-- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 05:28, 23 November 2023 (UTC)


 * . 🛧 Midori No Sora♪ 🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈  ) 05:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Driving-side
Driving side - right — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.51.189.115 (talk) 12:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Driving-side: Kanan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jyponto (talk • contribs) 13:15, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No, don't even try it, for the sake of others' and your own life. –Austronesier (talk) 15:01, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Make the effort to click the driving side article, read and understand what it means. It only takes several minutes. AdaCiccone (talk) 04:49, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Alleged transfer of capital to Nusantara
I received an allegation that the capital city would be moved on August 17 2024 from here and here. So will the capital city listed in the infobox be replaced with Nusantara (IKN) on that date or keep listed Jakarta instead? Baqotun0023 (talk) 04:19, 13 January 2024 (UTC)


 * If reliable secondary sources agree the capital has been moved, I expect the infobox would be updated to match. CMD (talk) 07:38, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you for the explanation, there is still a bit of overlap regarding the relocation of the capital city. We hope contributors will consider this issue 🙏. Baqotun0023 (talk) 12:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I want to add here, that based on the Law on State Capital (UU No.3 2022) which went into effect on 15 February 2022, after at most two years (that means 15 February 2024), the capital status of Jakarta as stipulated in UU No.27 2007 will be void. Although technically it also needs a prerequisite of Presidential Decree on formalizing the move of the capital to Nusantara.
 * Meaning though de jure, the capital is Nusantara, though de facto it still is Jakarta (or maybe currently it is a legal limbo where Indonesia does not have a capital right now). Envapid (talk) 12:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * So, is it better to just use the word "None", rather than having 2 cities in different columns? (even though it says none, I will also add a description) Baqotun0023 (talk) 08:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry according from here, Jakarta remains Capital City until presidential decree Baqotun0023 (talk) 08:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Presumably it would mean that. The law is rather confusing, this is probably because they thought the decree and a new bill defining Jakarta status would have been passed in that two years timeframe before the deadline, technically there is no "Provinsi Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta" as stated in chapter 39 anymore as the UU no.27 2007 (which subsumed previous law defining Jakarta) is not in force anymore as per deadline. They are even still debating the "Daerah Khusus Jakarta" bill, so slow DPR as usual. Envapid (talk) 15:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2024
Under the subheading "Religion", change the first word "Despite" to "Although" 95.88.156.116 (talk) 11:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Liu1126 (talk) 12:42, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 March 2024
I wanna change the Indonesian anthem file to the original Indonesian Anthem MacMillan12 (talk) 23:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. PianoDan (talk) 21:42, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Change of Photos in the Transportation section
I saw a picture of the TransJakarta bus with the Whoosh Train, basically it doesn't cover the entire territory of Indonesia. So I want to replace the bus Damri and the train KAI which are both owned by BUMN, not owned which Whoosh by the private sector or TransJakarta by BUMD DKI Jakarta Whatsup236 (talk) 10:23, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * High-speed trains are also part of KAI (Kereta Api Indonesia), while TransJakarta is an example of a Bus Rapid Transit system that operates in several cities in Indonesia. Bayoka55 (talk) 10:56, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * KAI does not own Whoosh, only shares in KAI, so de facto Whoosh is owned by KCIC, which is in fact a private company. While TransJakarta certainly represents the BRT system, what is discussed here is transportation that connects cities in Indonesia. and not for mobility within just one city Whatsup236 (talk) 12:26, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * According to Supreme Court of Indonesia, a subsidiary of BUMN is still considered as BUMN, since they serve as extension arms of BUMN business... yeah it is somewhat confusing.
 * However, I agree with regarding the image selection for the transportation section of the article. Since the article is about Indonesia, the image should feature transportation modes commonly found throughout the country, rather than focusing solely on those available in specific cities. Using only selected modes of transportation could give readers the wrong impression that they're widely available across Indonesia. Ckfasdf (talk) 19:50, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It seems like the High-speed Train should also be displayed here, but in a separate space because it still only covers two cities. I agree with Whatsup236 statement that they should replace the photo.  Whoosh and TransJakarta seem to represent cities in Indonesia, but do not cover all regions in Indonesia. Baqotun0023 (talk) 00:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Transcontinental country
Why is it that it is only mentioned in the Geography section that Indonesia is a transcontinental country? Why not state it on the main article summary as well? 2406:3003:2002:2D79:645F:EDDC:481F:15A0 (talk) 10:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Because it's pretty meaningless trivia. CMD (talk) 03:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Links on parameters
As requested by @Nikkimaria to start a discussion, I want to point out a few things on my disagreement on the removal of links, particularly from the government_type parameter, here are my points: Therefore, I insist to not remove the link within the parameters. Mhatopzz (talk) 05:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * 1) As per MOS:INFOBOX, it is not prohibited to include links that are not sections of the article.
 * 2) Links on parameters are included to provide an information to summarize the article and to avoid any ambiguity of the information.
 * 3) The link you just removed wasn't duplicated (See MOS:DUPLICATELINK) within the infobox itself.


 * Hi Mhatopzz, MOS:SOB indicates that multiple links shouldn't be conjoined in that way. The more specific link is the appropriate one to retain in this case. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, alright there are few things I wanted to add, In order to avoid ambiguity of an information within the Infobox (since the infobox is a summary of an article), I think we could make an exception only for one parameter, that is the government_type, unless there is a replacement link for it like Unitary parliamentary republic. Perhaps, we could think of a better way to restructure the sentence without making it ambiguous since I am pretty much concerned with people that are new or unfamiliar with the word "Unitary" in an infobox. Mhatopzz (talk) 05:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Not seeing any ambiguity with the existing approach, but if you're concerned, we could simply make the value "presidential republic" - this would be consistent with what the lead says. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * No I think it's still important to differentiate between a Unitary state and a Federal state, since it is also described in the article, we can't just remove the value of a parameter just to simplify it. Mhatopzz (talk) 05:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2024
Handhikka (talk) 06:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Not done, the additions are not changes in sovereignty. CMD (talk) 06:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)