Talk:Invader Zim/Archive 1

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Someone deleted this page and then moved, to here, a page that redirects here. Now this page tries to redirect to itself and there's no way to revert to the real version because it was deleted by a sysop. Why was this done and will the old version be restored? --EvilZak 05:41, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * 'Twas i. The system gave me indication of the restoration succeeding, and this can be seen quite neatly from the wonderful (no irony) Deletion log (which i think all users can read). I expect it will take less than overnite for the various servers to get the word that the restoration has occurred; i've seen this delay happen before.
 * As to why, there were edits below the redirect, and they will be merged among the others when they reappear. That's how merges of histories have to be done.
 * --Jerzy~t 05:56, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and restores the old version for now. -Twinge 07:45, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I just did an edit which (among other things) put each sentence on its own line in the source. This was a mistake, as it makes the diff look much worse than it really is. Sorry for the confusion. Content was actually only lightly edited.
 * Molinari 01:48 26 Jun 2003 (UTC)


 * Nickelodeon believed the show was drawing an innappropriate fanbase.

What did they think was "inappropriate" about these fans? --Camembert


 * Mainly that they were adult goth fans of Vasquez's comics, I guess. I think there are other reasons behind Zim being pulled, including that it's really quite depressing for a kids' show and, probably most significantly, it just didn't get a big enough audience to justify the extremely high costs of production (Nick spent a *lot* on Zim, hence the very high quality animation). suggestions for other character sketches - Tak and Keef. might do those myself if I feel like it. maybe some stuff on Vasquez in-jokes could be added (Z?, Fillerbunny et al). --AW


 * Hm, "inappropriate" sounds rather sinister to me, like these fans were, I don't know, alien fetishists or something (not that there's necessarily anything wrong with alien fetishism, of course...). Anyway, I've took that sentence out - I think it raises more questions than it answers. I'm sure if somebody has a quote or something from Nickelodeon, it can go back in with a more precise "reason" for it being pulled (though as you say, I'm sure it was more to do with ratings than anything else). As for more character sketches and in-jokes - I'm all for it. --Camembert

Hmm, the second and third sentences of the introductory paragraph (i.e. "Aired on Nickelodeon, it has been cancelled, put back on, and re-cancelled several times. When the show was cancelled the fans protested and it was reinstated, a process which has been repeated several times.") seem to be essentially saying the same thing. Perhaps some elision is in order? Equally, the discussion of why it was cancelled (above) is interesting, and should be in the page. Might I respectfully suggest something of the ilk:


 * Disappointed that its relatively poor ratings did not justify high production costs, Nickelodeon initially cancelled the show. Production was reinstated after intense pressure from fans, and then cancelled, and then resumed and cancelled once more.

I think the inappropriate thing would be a reasonable thing to say, if there is some evidence (quotes etc.) to support it (I imagine they made press releases on cancellation?). Equally, saying something about its attracting an audience that didn't meet their advertisers' expectations would also seem okay. -- Finlay McWalter 14:35, 3 Nov 2003 (UTC)


 * Yeah, as I say, the "inappropriate"

MTV
According to the guide on my TV, MTV2 will be airing the first episode. Anyone know the deal? --The Crowing 21:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Woa Hold On That's Friggin Sweet but i'll check mine as well- User:Damess 16:44, 5 June 2006

Yeah, I watched it. It was on with Spongebob, Kappa Mikey, and Ren and Stimpy. I forgot MTV and Nickelodeon are owned by the same company.--The Crowing 19:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

When was it? They only have Deathmatch, Where my Dogs At?, Chico and Guapo and Beavis & Butt-head on Sic-emation. No Zim or SBSP or Kappa Mikey.--Da PokéFan of DOOM!!! 18:46, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Invader Zim DVD
As far as I know, the Invader Zim DVD is already out, so I think there's no reason to say that it is still "in production" in the article. Also, the link to the Zim DVD FAQ on the External Links section should have a warning, since it's now outdated. It talks about a version that did not come out, with different episodes. It looks like the series is going to come out in several volumes, and not in a single product, like it's said on that FAQ. It's still a good piece of info, though, and the link should be kept in the article.

I think those parts should be edited again. Anyone here shares this opinion? – Mackeriv 13:55, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Eh, nevermind. Looks like that FAQ was updated. That, or I'm getting mad. – Mackeriv 02:53, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

'In jokes'
The article states that there are a number of sci-fi based in-jokes, and lists a number of sources, although it gives no examples. Could Starship Troopers be added to that list? It metions a Sergeant Zim as being 'one of the best darn soldiers out there'. I ask from the point of view of being fairly familliar with Starship Troopers (book), and completely ignorant of Invader Zim.Lord Dust 07:22, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I'd be curious about the timeline on that one, since I THINK Starship Troopers was out first, which, if that's the case, I think the name's just a coincidence. --InShaneee 16:35, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Do you mean the book or the film? The book was out well before Zim was made.  Slac &#91;&#91;User talk:Lacrimosus&#124;&lt;small&gt;speak up!&lt;/small&gt;]] 05:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I do indeed believe that Starship Troopers came out first, as did Dawn of the Dead. I am interested in knowing if the naming of the character Zim is one of the aforementioned "occasional references to classic works of horror or science fiction". The irony of naming such a self-involved and not-particularly-successful character as Invader Zim after the image of selfless soldierly perfection is of interest to me, and thus I wondered if it might be of interest to anyone else. By extension, any of the "inside references" could be sourced, as readers might not be familiar enough with the show to spot references to things with which they are familliar. Or I suppose you could just leave it as is, and nobody will ever know but you. Lord Dust 07:56, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Goths
Is there anything to show that fans of the show were mostly goths? I know that neither me nor any of my friends who liked the show were. Andre 12:24, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * To tell you the truth, I think that's just speculation. I don't really see any reason for anything like that to be added to an article, and it should probably be removed. – Mackeriv 13:10, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * I've gone ahead and removed that, opting to say that the viewers were older instead. Andre 13:35, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * And I've just added the word relatively, to try and denote a middle age 20-30 year old demographic, and not the 50+ commonly thought when discussing "older" viewers. How does that sound to everyone? -- elykyllek 14:34, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)


 * Fine by me. Andre 15:20, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I'm an enormous fan of the show myself, and I'm certainly no goth. But let me put it this way: every goth I know is a fan. And head into any "goth culture" store you care to name, and it will be stacked to the ceiling w/ Zim products (usually, in fact, the only place to find them). It's not speculation; it's useful information. The original wording ("particularly among goths") wasn't meant to show that fans were mostly goths, but that it is more popular among goths than among the general population. As for "older viewers", I think that "outside the traditional Nickelodeon demographic" makes that clear. Lacrimosus 19:54, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * If you mean Hot Topic, I don't really think that's an exclusively goth store - according to their website, they also have gaming stuff, Family Guy, Harry Potter, etc... and I haven't seen Zim stuff anywhere else. All 3 goths I know aren't Zim fans, as wel... I don't really think it's anything more than speculation. Hm. Andre 06:21, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I've heard of Hot Topic but we don't have it here (Australia). FWIW, User:AdamWill (above) agreed w/ me; if only he was still around . . . At any rate, there's no denying that Vasquez stuff generally eg. Johnny the Homicidal Maniac is highly popular among many goths (but again, I'm not suggesting a monopoly or anything). Zim is a bit tamer by comparison, but still, it's not too much of a stretch. I'm searching for some sort of external online reference to decide the question, but so far have come up w/ nothing much one way or the other. Lacrimosus 06:59, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * I actually wasn't aware that Vasquez stuff was big among goths, that's probably why this seems like mere speculation to me. Andre 07:05, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Does it still seem like speculation? I'm keen to re-add it to the article, given that it appears in Johnny the Homicidal Maniac etc. In my view, it does constitute informative content. Lacrimosus 21:27, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

''The DVD sets have ... apparently accurate Irken subtitles'' For real? They just look like gibberish to me, like someone's pressing the same key over and over again... and not just when someone's screaming. -Ketsuban (I forgot to log in @_@)


 * The subtitles are indeed acurate, it's basically a letter-for-letter substitution. In fact, a Windows font called Irken was designed using the subtitles as a reference as to what characters to remap to. --InvaderJim42 02:33, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't know what it's like in America but in UK Zim is definitely huge with Goths and Geeks... over here there's a certain amount of blurring between the two, so comic book shops are the usual place to go for Zim merchandise, as well as more typical Goth stuff if you're unable to commute to Camden Market, which is goth/metal/alt central over here. -Weenerbunny 18:13, 08 June 2006

The biggest problem with saying that people who like Zim are or are not Goth is the fact that the label "Goth" has lost more and more of its original meaning (if there even was a definitive one). Too many people have different definitons for "Goth", and there's a lot of disagreement over what the term means. I've looked up the meaning of "Goth" on many sites that call themselves "Goth", and the definition is very inconsistent from place to place. Some people may call themselves Goths, while others would argue that they are not. In summary, I think we should agree to stay away from the mentioning of Goths in Invader Zim fandom, as it will just produce more headaches. --InvaderJim42 20:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

GIR/Zim confusion
OK, I am a newcomer to this show, but the entire "GIR" section seems to have GIR confused with Zim. For instance: "GIR: A psychotic, stupid robot slave belonging to GIR", "Zim gets along well with others and his best friend is a pig who is seen on occasion visiting Zim at GIR's house", and "It is important to note that Zim is a 'custom' SIM only in that he was haphazardly put together out of trash by the Tallest." (What's a SIM?) I would rewrite this, but I've only seen a few episodes and don't want to mess anything up. A lot of this is definitely wrong, though. -- Wapcaplet 04:15, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Edit: Scratch that, the entire article has Zim confused with GIR, and it's all because of this edit. What a mess! -- Wapcaplet 04:18, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Breakout
I notice there are now individual Zim character articles. . . do we really need them? Can't they be merged? Slac speak up!  03:48, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I have added them when I found them reading the megalomaniac page, but in fact you're right. They might be merged with this page. Nova77 13:35, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Remedial Merge
(I was distracted and failed to save this window several days ago:)

The original Zim article was improperly converted from a stub to a redir, when it should have been moved, or if that was too late, merged. I am doing the merge now.

These history entries are from Zim:
 * 14:54, 15 Oct 2004 62.252.64.13 (change to redir)
 * 13:39, 15 Oct 2004 165.21.154.12
 * 13:12, 15 Oct 2004 80.202.208.248

The remainder, as of 06:04, 23 May 2005, were part of the history of Invader Zim before my history merge of Zim and Invader Zim.

--Jerzy·t 02:17, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

What does this mean?
What does this line mean?

"She [Gaz]is also a known confidant to none other than Timmy Turner of the Fairly Oddparents."

Where does this come from? Was this in a particular episode? I can find no evidence anywhere that the two characters ever met. Can someone clarify the connection?

Looks like BS to me. *deletes* --Geg 21:50, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Geg, how do you know that IZ was dubbed into Japanese? Do you have any audio clips, in MP3 format?

I don't have any clips, but I do know it was dubbed to Japanese. Zim is voiced by a woman, but that's all that's really known right now. Plus, why would they show it in English in Japan? --Geg 29 June 2005 20:34 (UTC)

Dib and GIR are voiced by women too. as Goku was voiced by a girl in Dragon Ball Z.

Most likely. Here's a link to Nick's Japanese Zim page: http://www.nickjapan.com/i-jim.html You don't really get much information, though. --Geg 29 June 2005 20:58 (UTC)

Audio clips and character names?
Will someone provide audio clips of the show in Japanese, and provide character names in Japanese as well? I'm a die-hard, knowledgeable fan. -- User: Angie Y. 5 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Character names are still the same, just Japan-ified. Zim translates to "Jimu", Gir tranlsates to "Gaa" and Dib translates to "Dibu". From what I know, there aren't any audio clips or anything like that yet. --Geg 15:20, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think audio clips from the show would be innapropriate here, since they aren't really neccisary to understand the show, nor would they add to the understanding of the japanese version (that being the criteria for including clips). --InShaneee 16:07, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with InShanee. &mdash;Theo (Talk) 17:53, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Marvin
The portion stating that the idea of inept alien invader is original is incorrect. Marvin the Martian from the Warner Bros. characters was in fact just that. --H
 * I agree. You can just fix it. &mdash;Theo (Talk) 17:53, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Who built the Massive?
While sidestepping the argument about whether the residents of Vort were Vorts or Vortians, I noticed that the claim that the Massive was built by conquered aliens from Vort is unsourced. This is significant because the claim seems inconsistent with the first episode, where the Almighty Tallest are on the Massive when they send Larb off to conquer Vort. &mdash;Theo (Talk) 17:05, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
 * In the episode Backseat drivers from beyond the stars Zim contacts an alien on planet Vort who claims to have designed the Massive himself and then delivers the ship's schematics to Zim enabling him to remotely pilot the Massive. --Bjarki 17:43, 25 July 2005 (UTC)


 * ...or the Vort aliens designed and built the Massive for the Irken Empire BEFORE the Irks turned on them. Its mentioned in the Backseat Drivers episode that they used to be allies. CABAL 03:29, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Exactly. The Vortians designed and built it before Operation Impending Doom II took place. --Geg 15:16, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


 * P.S. The Tallest are on Conventia, the convention hall planet when the assign Larb to Vort, not The Massive. - MJ 21:12, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * See also: Eric Trueheart's script for "The Trial", which sends Zim to the Irken military research station on Planet Vort, where a Vortian named Lard Nar (not sure if this is the same one as in Backseat Drivers) is showing a holographic model of the potential-Massive to Tallest Miyuki. Zim promptly denounces the design by saying "That thing'll never fly!" -- J. Random Lurker

GIR's voice actress in the Japanese-dubed version
I forgot who voices GIR in the Japanese-dubbed version of the series. Anyone care to assist me? --User:Angie Y.

Japanese IZ site
Japanese IZ site, with official-looking pictures
 * Oh yeah, I've seen that site. Believe it or not, most of that is fanart. Geg 21:41, 18 August 2005 (UTC)


 * If you look at the bottom, there is a little disclaimer saying it is an unofficial fansite. Cabez 04:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Frankly weird dates
Invader Zim is from the 1970s?! Forgive me if I say that this is pure and utter rubbish! For heavens sake, Vasquez wasn't born until 1974!

That's very weird. --User:Angie Y.
 * It's just some idiot going around and chaning the date of everything he can find to 1970. He did the same thing to the Fairly OddParents page. Geg 19:42, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Original base idea?
"The show features the exploits of Zim trying to conquer the Earth while his arch-nemesis Dib tries to stop him. The concept of alien invasion or conquest of Earth resisted by a lone guardian is the basis of a science fiction sub-genre but the idea of repeated inept failure by the alien conqueror seems to be original." An inept alien invasion isn't anything new to the genre, or

original idea?
"The show features the exploits of Zim trying to conquer the Earth while his arch-nemesis Dib tries to stop him. The concept of alien invasion or conquest of Earth resisted by a lone guardian is the basis of a science fiction sub-genre but the idea of repeated inept failure by the alien conqueror seems to be original." In my opinion, part of this paragraph should be editted because an inept alien invasion is not an original idea to science fiction, or Nickelodeon for that matter (i.e. Butt Ugly Martians, Kaput and Zosky). --67.184.163.248 23:03, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Ikiroid P.S. Sorry about the badly designed comment above.
 * It was original for its time, though. Butt Ugle Martians and Kaput and Zosky both came after Invader Zim. Geg 21:22, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Bloody GIR
Okay, the whole bloody GIR thing has got me curious. I watched "Bad, Bad Rubber Piggy" with a frame by frame player, and when the moment came when Zim threw it into the portal, I studied each frame and could not find any pictures of GIR covered in blood. I was wondering if someone could post a photo of Bloody GIR, so I can see what the pic looks like.


 * This makes me a bit suspicious. A picture of bloody GIR can be found here, which looks official enough, but in all my Zim days, I've never seen the image from Bad Bad Rubber Piggy everyone points to. --InShaneee 08:27, 10 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Here's some others: http://www.buzzyworld.com/zim/archives/bloodygir.html Ash Lux 00:54, 12 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I can't really see the image of Bloody GIR in BBRP either, but there is an excellent example in Mortos Der Soulstealer. Just go frame by frame in the opening sequence when the tentacles fly out of Zim's house and approch the screen. MJ 00:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

It is in BBRP, but it took me 5 minutes of flipping between frames and scrunching my eyes to be it, it is incredibly faint Devilmaycare 18:54, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Was the Bloody GIR section removed from this article, or is it on another page? BethEnd 21:49, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Bloody GIR is in BBRP, ive seen it myself. But only the top of his head to the bottom of his eyes can be seen. its right when the screen goes completely white.Also you can go to link title and see pics of bloody GIR.I know this cuz i'm a die-hard Zim fan!!Hope that helped! ;D --dino-amie I looked immensely hard and still could not find the bloody gir ==Foreign character names== Will someone provide foreign character names in a list similar to the one in the Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends article? Thanks in advance. --User:Angie Y.

Korean IZ
Apparently, IZ has also be broadcasted in South Korea. Can someone provide the title for the show in Korean? --User:Angie Y.

German IZ?
I heard that a German language version of IZ is in the works. Is this a true fact? --User:Angie Y.

FaaaaAAAct... German Nickelodeon launched 2005 and shows IZ in the night program.

Japanese IZ Wikipedia article
Can someone make a Japanese Wikipedia article on IZ, please? --User:Angie Y.
 * No. Wiki doesn't need a separate page for a show it already has a page on just because it's in a different language. Geg 01:07, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Alright. --User:Angie Y.


 * (I think she meant an article on the Japanese Language Wikipedia, though I doubt asking here is going to do much good). --InShaneee 01:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Major changes needed
In my opinion this page is way too long. People who come to the page who are not already fans of the show are assaulted with all this information about the show and the show's in jokes and just it's general quirkiness. While I think it is important to have the article acknowledge the quirkiness of the show, I think most of this information belongs in separate articles, for example a separate article for detailed character descriptions.

People who are unfamiliar with the show will come to this page and be like, what the **** is this? Do we really need the description of minimoose on the main page when he (it?) was only in one episode? That's ridiculous. No offense intended to the creators of this page, but the page just screams fanboy of the show. While there's nothing necessarily wrong with huge fans of shows writing their articles, I think the article should really be tuned down.

Anyway, I'm sure some people are going to say, well if you don't like it, do something about it. So unless anyone raises some objections, I plan to restructure the page in the near future. I won't get rid of any information but I will separate a lot of it from the main page.

--Letslip 08:23, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Personally, I'd prefer if you discussed any major changes here before implimenting them, as I'm sure several others would, as well. --InShaneee 04:02, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I was thinking that only the main characters should have descriptions on the main page. That would be Zim, Gir, Dib, and perhaps Gaz. Also since these characters already have their own pages, I think their descriptions on the main page should be slimmed down. Maybe there should be a seperate page for minor characters who don't already have their own page. We certainly don't need Bloody Gir and Minimoose on the main page.

I think the episode list and the DVD info should go on their own pages as well.

Any objections?

--Letslip 05:17, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it's important to have a gallery of the main characters in the main Invader Zim page. Afterall, it is an Animated cartoon. -- sp  00n  17 :color="#555577">talk 20:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. The images are all on the character page, and in general, galleries of images are a bad thing (though the topic is currently up for debate, I believe). --InShaneee 04:02, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, objection! I'm like a total maniac when it comes to Zim, and this page is the only way I can get my friends to share in my obsession!!!  Heh, no, but really.  Zim's a great show, and all the characters - even the minor ones like Minimoose - are vital.  Please don't take too much out.  There are other, longer pages.  If you must do something, lengthen the Roman Dirge article.  Oh, and thanks for telling me that the main characters have their own pages, but you missed a few: the Almighty Tallest, Professor Membrane, and Ms. Bitters.

Okay, that dude who posted above me is just a little obsessed - no offense. Nonetheless, I am going to return this article to its former glory. Half the people who look up Zim ARE fans, so it's good for them to see as much as possible so they can freak out with their happy little human brains. The other half of the people are probably actually looking the show up, so they may as well have as much info as possible. I have no problem with other, related pages, but a lot of people may have really slow computers and won't feel like going to link after link. Just stick everything on this one page, I say, and you can have more detailed links for the really IZ-crazy maniacs (viz. person above). So, uh... I'll go change it now.


 * This is an encyclopedia entry. Just because a lot of the people coming here are fans doesn't mean this should be an Invader Zim shrine. There's plenty of other places on the Web for that. We don't need a gallery of all the characters on the main page. And if your computer is too slow to handle a few auxiliary page links then you probably shouldn't be using Wikipedia in the first place.
 * Letslip 19:40, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright, your plan sounds pretty good. How about creating two spin-off pages: List of episodes of Invader Zim for the ep titles and dvd info, and Minor characters in Invader Zim for the smaller roles. Sound good? --InShaneee 03:37, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

nono, this is what Infoboxes are for!....*hums innocently* --Quiddity 10:21, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Last first generation nicktoon
"This is probably the last First Generation Nicktoon." Probably? Is it or isn't it? Can someone elaborate on this?

--Letslip 09:00, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Good catch. Since I know Avatar is a nicktoon, I've deleted this line. --InShaneee 04:00, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Runtime
I reverted an edit that changed the runtime from 22 to 12 minutes, since this appeared to be subtle vandalism, and I didn't want it to slip through the cracks. If this was incorrect, please correct my error and provide a source. RobthTalk 19:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Criticism
Can anyone find some sources for the 'criticism' section? --InShaneee 03:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * If you can skim through all the noise, there's some of this kind of sentiment on Jump the Shark's Zim page: http://www.jumptheshark.com/i/invaderzim.htm -- "THAT'S one of the reasons no one watched it; people who liked it and quoted it sounded DUMB. Rabid fans spouted unconvincing words from frothy maw and expected people to be sold. But, the problem goes far beyond that. Zim suffered from awkward colors, overly bizarre art, and mounds of horrible dialogue spoken by non-contrasting characters that never connect on any level. It was like watching random events. Most people want to be entertained by TV, Zim felt like a trip into depression. While this might qualify Zim as a unique masterpiece, it made it inaccessible to the general public- a cult phenomena that will never go beyond cult.", etc. More mixed-bag quotes of this type, but I won't spam with them. -- J. Random Lurker

To J. Random Lurker i have but one thing to say: "He said we could destory his friend then thew a can at my head, it hurt." and what's so wrong with shouting random Zim quotes i do it every day. at school once i screamed "delieous weenis" and i recited the sceen where Tak comes in, form when she explains the jet to when Dib asks about the "under ground class" and gets "sure whatever" from ms. Bitters. Like i said Die-hard Zim fan.--dino-amie

Miss Bitters Question
What is that strange sound effect used whenever the teacher Miss Bitters flies around the room? I can only think of an edited rattlesnake or maraca sound effect. Does anyone with a trained ear happen to know what that sound is?
 * Locusts, I believe. --InShaneee 21:59, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yea, I agree. Probly used to emphasize her evil, inhuman side. I'm not sure why I felt compelled to type this. It's not really saying anything. Oh well. MJ 00:46, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I would have to say it sounds more like a cicada sound, but locusts are possible, too. User:ebird

Trivia Citations
I noticed the tag over the trivia section, and I wanted to help out. I know that most of those facts come from the commentary in the Invader Zim DVD's because I've listened to them. How should I cite them? I'm not really sure. MJ 00:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

New IZ seasons?
IMDB.com has posted, under the list of Invader Zim episodes, a third season. This season only has one episode, "Date of Doom." Season 3, Episode 4: Date of Doom! 29 September 2006 Dib casts a spell on Zim so he falls in love with Gaz, and Gaz falls in love with Zim due to the spell. Does anyone have any more information on this? Is it true, or merely a rumor? (link) -Puphles 21:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

IZ's cancelled. --User:Angie Y.

Misinformation shows up at imdb too ;) -Quiddity 17:54, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Who Knows They Might Have Maybe Thought It Would Come Back This Fall, Hopefully It Does :) - User: Damess 12:31, 1 Jun 2006
 * If the show was going to go back into production, it would have been announced. The show's cancelled. Geg 18:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

If they do have a third season (i doubt it) they shouldn't put it on Nick. they wouldn't let Jhonen do what he wanted. Bloody GIR is only in some episodes because he snuck them in without nickenloden knowong.it should be on a cool network like Adult Swim or Comedy Cenrtal.--dino-amie

Merge zim-vehicle articles
Requesting a merge of all Category:Invader Zim vehicles into one article. They're not notable enough for individual entries, plus they'll be easier to keep an eye on. Otherwise they're likely to get delete-voted as fancruft (which would probably result in a merge anyway). Thanks :) -Quiddity 17:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea, go ahead! Devilmaycare 19:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a plan to me! List of Invader Zim vehicles, I take it? --InShaneee 20:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure. (i'm only a minor fan, i'll leave it to someone passionate to merge, and so give it the attention they'll think it warrants ;) -Quiddity 01:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Just do us a favor and at least drop some merge tags as a reminder! --InShaneee 03:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * List of vehicles in Invader Zim. There ya go. Now it just needs rewriting/cleanup ;) -Quiddity 04:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Bravo! :) --InShaneee 19:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Necessary?
"The main reason for this is its overall dark, dreary, unpleasant atmosphere. Indeed, the show seems to delight in emphasising everything disapproved of or ungenteel in its depictions of today's world, showing children bursting into manic fits with enlarged neck arteries and bulging, veiny eyes, depicting buildings and cities as dirty and unkempt, and portraying children as neglected and mentally unstimulated and adults as tools of a corrupt society. As a whole, the human race is often portrayed as being mind-numbingly idiotic or just plain ignorant. Sometimes the show even goes one step further and includes mildly disturbing content"

Couldn't we condense that to "some people don't like the work of Jhonen Vasquez"? I mean, that's pretty much the same statement. Pope Guilty 03:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't condense it quite that far. Perhaps replacing Jhonen with a (far briefer) description of the tone of his work? (And honestly, that whole section's on the way out before too long if it doesn't get referenced). --InShaneee 03:43, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Prof Membrane
After clearing up the language for the Prof Membrane listing, It kinda struck me that its inclusion here was a a bit redundant. I Don't beleive it is necessary as it goes into more detail on the "List of characters from Invader Zim" page. I will thus attempt to merge whatever details that are mentioned on this page, into the other. -- DennyCrane Talk 07:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Episodes
I'm considering going through each episode and putting an episode navigation box. there's a few templates..

Template One
There's this basic prev-next template

Template Two
Also there's the kind of navigator that's used at the bottom of the spongebob pages. (click here to see what I mean, it's big and blue) I think this type will be overkill for Invader Zim as there's not as many episodes.

Template Three
Also on the Spongebob page there's a template used for all episodes that has details like Episode No., Writers, Director, Airdate, other staff, etc.. I'm not sure if it's really worth putting that because as far as I know, the writing staff and director never changed much per episode, so the only thing that would significantly change each episode is the air date which can be incorporated into the article.

Episode Order
I think that the order should be by production number. I've just organised the episodes list into tables and it's in production order, I think it makes sense as it will match up with the episode order on the DVDs.

Any Thoughts?
So basically, I'll start soon using the first template I mentioned in the DVD/Production order of episodes unless anyone has a good reason to do it any other way. BillPP 03:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, maybe (it's not as many so it wouldn't be as large), no, by production number and the list looks good (I like the purple). CovenantD 04:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've created a template which will display all episodes in the navigator and it doesn't take up as much space as the Spongebob one and is not bad looking. I'm happy with using that. To use the template put: on the page. I've put it on the episode Dark Harvest and it looks pretty good. BillPP 17:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Can we get that in purple too? The neon hurts my eyes. :-) CovenantD 17:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've changed it to purple. I've had to change the text from black to white so it shows up better. I'm pleased with apart from the fact the heading Invader Zim Episodes doesn't show up that well, but I think that's bearable. BillPP 18:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've now put the navigator into every episode and it looks good. BillPP 21:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Format of Episode articles
I think to make the good ol' Invader Zim part of Wikipedia better, then there should be a rough standard format for each article on the episodes. At the moment there are some episodes with minimal plot information and others with masses of information. Here's my proposal (it's just my opinion of what could be a good standard to aim for): So anyway, that's my idea for the episode format. I'll sort out one episode to see how it looks at some point. Does anyone else have any ideas on what would be good? BillPP 11:14, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * An Introduction with information like date first aired, guest stars (if any), episode length and anything noteable about the episode (eg. "This is the first episode of season 2".
 * Plot outline - This is where there's the most variation. I think a write-up the length is good around the length of Bad, Bad Rubber Piggy and Door to Door.
 * Trivia/Miscellanea/themes etc. - I think "Miscellanea" is a more appropriate heading for bits and pieces relevant to the episode. Perhaps the uniform heading of "Miscellanea, Themes and References"?
 * See Also - No need for a link to List of Invader Zim episodes as there's the navigator and the category.
 * Quotes - We all know how good the writing in Invader Zim is so Quotes should be a good way of demonstrating what the program is like. so a few quotes per episode?
 * Pictures - 2 or 3 screencaps from the DVDs will be great. (I'll probably produce a list soon of images with watermarks from nick that need to be replaced with DVD caps).
 * Gets my thumbs up! Allthough "Trivia" Seems to be more the standard for TV and Movies as opposed to "Miscellenea" -- DennyCrane Talk 14:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

- CovenantD 14:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Intro is a good idea.
 * 2) Plot depends on the episode, so I don't know that a standard length is a good idea.
 * 3) Problems with the Themes & such is that so many of them are viewers interpretations without any kind of citation to back it up. I'd rather see most of them go away.
 * 4) See also - agree, no need
 * 5) Quotes - again, this is a problem because it can get out of hand really quickly with just one or two over-enthusiastic fans who think that their quote from the episode needs to be added. I've seen half an article taken up with quotes. Ideas on how to limit them?
 * 6) Be sure to get that list of screenshots to Philiplore. He's been adding many of the DVD screenshots as he writes up the episodes.


 * I agree. 4 or 5 sentences should be good for the description at the very most. Nuke the themes and ALL the quotes (that's what wikiquote is for), as well. --InShaneee 19:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Good News
Check Out The Invader Zim Section On Tv Tome and Look In Their Forum I'm Serious It's Hopefully Not A Rumor That This Person Put On There

Audio clips of IZ's Japanese version
Is it posible to record audio and/or video clips of IZ's Japanese version? --User:Angie Y.


 * It is, but it would not be appropriate to add them anywhere. --InShaneee 17:19, 27 June 2006

what's an iz?

Discuss Swollen eyeball merge

 * There was a merge tag on Swollen eyeball, but it was not referenced here, where it appears most discussions take place. Adding mergeto and mergefrom tags to each article.  -- MrDolomite | Talk 08:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

German title
Currently, the show is being aired with the English title "Invader Zim", not the German "Eroberer Zim" on the German Nick network. I removed the German language tag from the article.

Citation Needed
This appears under trivia: "He stopped the cameos of himself because he said it was distracting people from the show itself." This needs to be cited. I'm not taking it out right now, though. 24.214.178.44 19:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Piranha in the trivia section?
No way is that a pirahna in "The Wettening", it's way too small, shaped wrong and colored wrong, though I can see why you'd think it was from the teeth seen while it's been drank. I'd say it's just a random, artist's depiction of a "fish" and certainly no pirahna.

I believe the object in question is actually Filler Bunny. Chris Furniss - weeklygeekshow.com 00:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Inform
I would like to inform you that the Invader Zim page doesn't exist on the Japanese Wikipedia. I clicked there out of curiosity, and found that there were "misinterpretations". It said "Invader Gym does not exist". --Yancyfry jr

project zim?
Should there be a project Zim? i think it might be interesting. And also a project (or just a part of project zim): johnny the homicidal maniac... i dunno Miss misra belle 21:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know that there'd be enough interest (almost certainly not for a WikiProject Johnny), and it'd run out of material pretty fast since both are done. --InShaneee 14:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Invader Zim
The Neon Genesis Evangelion homage is sourced. They talk about it on the DVD commentary track! There just aren't any webpages with transcripts from the DVD commentary tracks >_>'.

--User:FallenAngelII 26 October 2006

Zim's voice actors
I have heard that in addition to Billy West, Mark Hamill, too, was initially considered for Zim's voice role before Richard Steven Horvitz came in. Is this true? I understand that Wikipedia is not a forum, but I really would like some clarification. DJ Autagirl (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * This seems like a question that some devoted Google searching could help you resolve, or [twitter.com/search?q=Jhonen%20Vasquez&src=tyah perhaps a polite query to Jhonen Vasquez's Twitter account]. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:28, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

What would the Invader Zim comics need to have to become it's own article, hypothetically
Let's say if the comics get over 20, then the comic book section would become alittle too long for a article mainly based on the television series, what would you need in it for it to become an article itself?GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 23:55, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Controversies
It should have the "Cartoon controversies" because "Dark Harvest is a controversial episode. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18D:4701:C4A0:8485:DCB6:B05C:9A21 (talk) 17:08, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

The Following

As many people can see, the fan following is a variety of people from approximately people in their early teens to mid 30s as of now in late 2000s. The fan base who watched it as kids - the target audience, now in their late teens to late 20s, became part of a phenomenon. The fan base took the show and created a culture of its own amongst the fans as they shared references and jokes as well as tons of fan made content to continue the spirit of Invader Zim due to its early and undesired cancelation. Some speculate that Invader Zim plays a part of the young "goth" and "emo" movement in the 2000s (2003-2008 ~ ). Whether you recognize it as goth or not it was a part of Hot Topic and many gothic people's lives, but is not solely Goth.

Another aspect of Invader Zim that is often overlooked is the techy/sci-fi references to real classic science fiction movies/shows and game culture. Underground techno music is a part of the shows music, such as the main ending credits and opening credits and many battle/chase scenes. How come no one asks about the influences that put the show into context? Jhonen did not live in a vacume of piggies, he drew from his experiences. Like old 90s and 2000s classic movies. Strangely there was a loss of context and too much literalness keeping a little too true to some details of the show such as all of Gir's food lines which is cute but it would be nice to have a big picture perspective from some fans sometimes. I mean this in a kind way because I was young once (haha)and took this show out of context thinking that everything in the show only ever existed in the show.

Signing off, D3VN15 — Preceding unsigned comment added by D3VN15 (talk • contribs) 06:30, 21 October 2016 (UTC)


 * It is not clear what you are proposing or requesting. I don't see any suggestions suggestions for specific changes to existing content. Talk pages are intended to be used to discuss improvements to the article, not for general discussion of the subject. If, however, you are circuitously proposing the addition of some of the observations you've written above, the observations have to be amply supported by reliable published sources. I'm sure you can imagine the problems that would be created if we encouraged people to write opinion pieces in articles. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:56, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

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Eneter zim
I started Draft:Invader Zim: Enter the Florpus dose anyone want to help?Fanoflionking 22:57, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Invader ZIM's Flip & Spin... of DOOM! closed
I don't want to do this wrong but the ride has been delisted from AmericanDream's website completely and the attraction is now stored in the fenced off area behind a roller coaster's track. Do we just rewrite the sentences about the ride to be in the past tense? It's not exactly something that companies announce. You'd just have to awkward find out when you get there or find footage from a random YouTuber.2600:8805:8100:17E:E1A9:78C2:A698:FE14 (talk) 03:57, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Cartoon Network planning to buy Invader ZiM
No joke. Cartoon Network actually DID plan on wanting to continue Invader ZiM as part of Adult Swim, and even bid to purchase the show from Nickelodeo, but after Disney's Doug, Nick refused to sell the rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.132.115.10 (talk) 03:03, 24 November 2020 (UTC)