Talk:J. G. Brill Company

Categories
Please do not re-add Category:Bus manufacturers to this article. Category:Defunct bus manufacturers, which is already used here, is a subcategory of Category:Bus manufacturers. Adding the parent category is redundant and unnecessarily clutters the parent category. slambo 12:56, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

Diners too?
According to an old advertisement depicted here, it appears that the Brill company later marketed used? unsold? streetcars as roadside diners. Would be interesting if someone knows more about this. --CodeGeneratR 19:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I've added the Capitol Diner to the products listed. Hwdirre (talk) 05:03, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Renaming
The correct name of the business was J.G. Brill Company. Would someone please make the correction to the page name. Useddenim (talk) 21:11, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, and in fact the only reason I checked the talk page recently (and found the above message) was that I'd already been thinking of moving (renaming) the page and wanted to see whether there had been any discussion of it in the past, before I did so. Well, I saw that there has been no discussion, but my research over the past few hours (checking books, etc.) supports moving it.  However, when I tried, it would not let me, apparently because the page has been moved 2-3 times in the past. I then learned (from WP:REQMOVE) that in such cases non-administrators must submit the request via a form on the talk page (in its own section), which I am now doing below this post.  More detail on the reason I am supporting and requesting this move:  I can find no evidence of the company's having ever had "and" in its name, in the several books and magazines in my collection, or online, but the earliest info. I could find was from the early 1890s.  I don't own the book, the History of the J. G. Brill Company, but if some other Wikipedian owns it and if that book says the name originally included "and", then I urge them to include that detail (with a citation) in the article.  However, the article's name should still omit "and" regardless, because at the least, there was no "and" for well over half the company's existence as JG Brill (before merging with ACF) and possibly its entire existence; article names are supposed to be the most common name, not necessarily the first or last name, of a company or other entity.


 * As to the separate question of "J.G. Brill" vs. "J. G. Brill", I support the former, because it appears to be more common. One person who made this change in the past wrote "per naming conventions", but I cannot find anything in Wikipedia's Manual of style or Article titles pages that addresses this point. I have, however, found information showing that the company itself used both versions, with and without a space.  It appears that the version with a space was more common, but my research was very limited, and my point is that it cannot be claimed that the company itself "always" included a space between the J. and the G. in its name. Books and magazines in my collection are inconsistent on this point, but  "J.G. Brill" is more common than than "J. G. Brill" in them.  I'm no authority on this (minor) point, and all that I really care about is removing the "and" from the name.  If other people have strong opinions about that or about whether to include a space between the two initials, post them here (something the persons who moved the articles in the past apparently did not bother to do). SJ Morg (talk) 07:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was move per request. I would note the amazing disparity of 21 Google book results for the current title compared to 8,980 for the target title.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:06, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

J. G. Brill and Company → J.G. Brill Company — Company's name did not include "and", except possibly in its earliest years (but I find no evidence even of that); also, version omitting space between J. and G. is more common (but both were used by the company). SJ Morg (talk) 07:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This archived page from a railfan's website says that the company's name included "and" (or an ampersand) from 1869 (sic; should be 1868) until 1887, and thereafter did not include the conjunction. I cannot confirm whether this is correct or not, but even if it is correct my argument given in the section above (under Renaming) still applies:  The version with "and" was used for less than 20 years, the version without "and" for almost 60 years, and for this reason alone the shorter version is by far the one most commonly used by reputable, reliable, professional sources, so it's the version Wikipedia's guidelines on article names supports using. SJ Morg (talk) 03:58, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - foregoing arguments seem persuasive.--Kotniski (talk) 08:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

J. G. Brill Company -- the space still needs to be removed from the article title
I note the suggestion in 2010 by SJ Morg (talk) was to both remove the "and" from the company title, and to remove the space between J[period] and G[period].

The response was:
 * The result of the proposal was move per request. I would note the amazing disparity of 21 Google book results for the current title compared to 8,980 for the target title.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:06, 2 October 2010 (UTC).

Coming in much later, I see the "and" has gone but the space remains in the title.

If nobody objects I'll take action to modify the title later this month. If anybody does object, I'll be happy to join in the discussion. SCHolar44 (talk) 20:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

1914 car discovered 2018

 * https://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2018/10/if_walls_could_talk_this_home_has_an_antique_train.html
 * https://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2018/11/last_trenton_trolley_car_is_salvaged_for_restorati.html

Where should I add the Uruguayan Brill 55 and 60
In the late 1920s the Uruguayan's "State Rail and Tram"(FTE) bought two batches of Brill 55 and at least a batch of Brill 60 railcars, these where re-motorized with Diesel Engines in the 1950s and the Brill 55 operated until 1989 while the last Brill 60 ceased operations in the 2010s (seriously), the Center of Rail Studies of the Uruguay has a unit of both models in restauration proccess 167.58.255.55 (talk)