Talk:Jet Set Radio

Record & Golden Rhino's Role in the Plot
I changed a few things in the article - notibly the Noise Tanks and Poison Jam were not "weapons" but rival gangs. I had a good chuckle at the thought of the police attacking with poisoned jam.

In any case, the Golden Rhino's role needs revised - they were searching for parts of an evil vinal record, I can't remember the name of it though or what it was supposed to do, but beating the Golden Rhinos to it was a central part of the plot. and the ending took place on top of the record with Grace & Glory playing in the background.

Source

 * https://web.archive.org/web/20010621202617/http://www.meristation.com/noticias/2000/diciembre/20001214-04.htm

Apparent "Best game ever"
@StartOkayStop Why do you support the statement that JSR is literally "The best video game of all time." It's an opinion and doesn't belong on a Wiki page where most info for JSR comes from. I could say "Flatout 2" is the best game ever with no source besides people with opinions. It's such an insertive thing to have on a twenty year old game anyways. 64.107.109.106 (talk) 18:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Please read the reasoning I have given in my edit summaries. The article does not state that JSR is "The best video game of all time." It says it "is considered one of the best video games of all time." Other than being a completely different statement, it's not an opinion; its inclusion in the List of video games considered the best, which specifically states that, in order to a game to qualify, it "must be included on at least six "best games of all time" lists compiled by separate publications. The publications must be identified as a reliable source per WP:VG/RS, and the lists must be inclusive of all games released up to that point." JSR has 10 qualifying sources listed on that page. You are saying that it's an opinion, but if 10 reliable and separate publications identify it as one of the best, how did you come to the conclusion that their lists are all invalid? Comparing it to Flatout 2 is completely pointless, because Flatout 2 is not considered by any publication to be one of the best. Also, keep in mind the 3 revert rule. Getting engaged in an edit war helps nobody. Consensus should be reached before the article is continually changed. StartOkayStop (talk) 19:05, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be better to have "Better games of the decade" then "Considered one of the best game of all time"??
 * It insinuates that some group has chosen its status level on some sort of teir list when no one has.
 * It's a lot more logical to have it as "Better game of the decade" than "One of the best games ever."
 * The reason I mention flatout 2 is because its considered "One of the" best derby games made. (When its not, its an opinion about the game and its genre.) 64.107.109.106 (talk) 19:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The specific language, "Considered one of the best video games of all time," is used because several reliable and independent sources claim that. That is the entire point of the article Best video games, which is to catalog games that meet the specific criteria I mentioned in my previous reply. Your comment, "It insinuates that some group has chosen its status level on some sort of teir list when no one has," does not make sense to me. There is no single regulatory or standards organization that defines what the "best video games" are. As such, the criteria you are asking for is impossible; if that were the criteria, no game could be considered "one of the best." Saying that JSR is one of the "better games of the decade" doesn't make sense either-- if this is the case, what source says that? Because there are 10 sources that say it's one of the best games of all time, which makes it seem pointless to try and change it to something else.
 * Flatout 2 is not equivalent in this situation. Claiming a game is the best in its genre is not the same thing as claiming it is one of the best of all time. Even so, if one source claimed that Flatout 2 was one of the best games of all time, then that still wouldn't make it true, you're correct there. The main difference is, again, there are 10 reliable sources that each say JSR is one of the best games of all time. There are 0 for Flatout 2, which is why the claim is not made in its article.
 * To summarize, the statement that JSR "is considered one of the best games of all time" is true because of the number of reliable sources that make that claim. Flatout 2 is not considered one of the best games of all time because there are no sources that state that claim at all. Saying that JSR is "one of the better games of the decade" downplays the accomplishments of the game that have been agreed upon by multiple media outlets. StartOkayStop (talk) 19:31, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Media outlets and random websites praising certain video games are entirely fueled by opinions.
 * Nothing is factual or true when someone says a game is "Considered one of the best."
 * Saying a game was the best of the decade indicates it had a good and reasonable amount of fame when it was new and popular.
 * Instead, saying that it is "Considered one of the best video games of all time." Tells you that it’s still highly praised even 23 years later.
 * Even better with the Flatout2 statement. Just because a media outlet or anyone with access to a website hasn’t said "Flatout2 is one of the best derby game." doesn’t automatically strengthen or make the statement factual.
 * (and a lot of people say do actually say flatout2 is the best derby game in that small group of FO2 fans)
 * What I’m saying is nothing is true, it’s an opinion from a bunch of people.
 * no ones is putting it on a scale to see how much fun it is compared to how boring it is.
 * People have different tastes on what makes a game fun. 64.107.109.106 (talk) 19:58, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * (People have different tastes on what makes a game fun, good and/or "One of the best") 64.107.109.106 (talk) 20:01, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The difference is the opinion of one person vs the consensus of several reputable and reliable media outlets. 10 opinions by reliable news sources have more value than 1 opinion by a random person. I'm not saying that the statement that "JSR is considered one of the best games of all time" is accurate because "someone" says so, I'm saying it because a large number of reputable media outlets have said so. As you said, one media outlet doesn't make it accurate. Ten independent ones, well, that's different. The issue here is that you believe that your opinion should be what's in the article because you don't like the opinions of 10 media outlets. How fun a game is also is not the factor in what makes a game considered "one of the best," because each media outlet that reported that has different criteria for what makes the game the best. I don't understand why you insist that your opinion is more reliable than the 10 opinions of reliable media sources. StartOkayStop (talk) 22:41, 21 September 2023 (UTC)