Talk:Justice delayed is justice denied

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11:13, 19 July 2007 (UTC)90.202.115.196The phrase "Justice delayed is justice denied," originated from Magna Carta; 15th June 1215ad; [40]"To no one will we sell, to no one deny or delay right or justice." 90.202.115.196 11:13, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

needs editing or more work. The citations put the term as originating in England, yet there's substantial irrelevant material relating to a specific case in India. It would be much more appropriate for that case to have its own page and to leave this one to discuss the term, it's legal origins and meanings and any counter view (like, for example, justice delayed is more accurate or some such). Duckman49 (talk) 15:11, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Why this one is a "cliché" ? does it already lost its meaning? -- 58.136.52.67 (talk) 08:43, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Even though identified as a stub, this article met a critical need for me at this time. LamoniDave (talk) 07:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Ambiguous sentence
The first sentence of the lead is currently:
 * "Justice delayed is justice denied" is a legal maxim meaning that if legal redress is available for a party that has suffered some injury, but is not forthcoming in a timely fashion, it is effectively the same as having no redress at all.

User:Pablo678 has pointed out that this sentence is ambiguous: I've moved the above comment from the article itself to this talk page. --Lambiam 17:44, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) It can mean that if someone does not sue within the statute of limitations, he cannot obtain redress no matter how just his cause may be. This is undoubtedly true but not likely to be the meaning of the maxim.
 * 2) Alternatively it can mean that a speedy trial is is essential for justice to prevail. This is the meaning that most people recognize and which is alluded to in the remainder of the article.

Pirkei Avoth Reference
It is not clear to me that the reference to Pirkei Avoth is accurate. The text in Hebrew is "חרב באה לעולם על עינוי הדין, ועל עיוות הדין, ועל המורים בתורה שלא כהלכה" according to mechon mamre (http://www.mechon-mamre.org/b/h/h49.htm). I would translate this as "a sword [violence] entered the world through torture of justice/law and through distortion of justice/law and through teachers of Torah that teach falsely (not according to "halachah")." Chabad's translation gives "procrastination of justice" for "על עינוי הדין" so I suppose there could be a basis for translating it in that fashion (http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/682520/jewish/English-Text.htm). Does anyone have a better source for this translation than the Chabad website (which doesn't seem to cite the translator)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flamholz (talk • contribs) 21:29, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Attribution
Text and references copied from Jarndyce and Jarndyce to Justice delayed is justice denied. See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 19:05, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Text and references copied from Acton, Suffolk to Justice delayed is justice denied. See former article's history for a list of contributors.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 11:34, 21 April 2020 (UTC)