Talk:Landover Baptist Church

Archive 01

Proof that it's a parody
These are the terms of service for Landover Baptist Church: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/tos.html

At the bottom of the page, it says: "Note: Mouse Over Below for Spoiler Alert:" And if you mouse over the area below, it says: "The Landover Baptist Church is a complete work of fiction. It is a satire/parody." Another thing is that if you on http://www.landoverbaptistchurch.org click the section called "FORUMS", you are redirected to http://www.landoverbaptistchurch.net — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaneOfScandinavy (talk • contribs) 11:18, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

It's Real
It's not real..it's just people trolling...seriously??? go check http://www.landoverbaptist.net/   everything they say just makes you want to laugh so much Here is what landoverbaptist.NET says: "Perhaps you've heard that we are a joke, true religion or parody, and you came to our site for a few cheap laughs or "lulz", only to find people taking everything seriously. So now you have decided to be the first to "spill the beans" and let everyone in on your "knowledge". Friend, this has been done so many times that it isn't funny any more.

When an Atheist loses a debate to a fundamentalist Christian, it is a common tactic to accuse the Christian of being a parody. The Atheist is so full of pride, that he cannot imagine being outsmarted by a dumb God-Believer, so he thinks the Christian must be an Atheist like himself who is only pretending to be Christian. This is known as Tabor's Law.

Our situation is not helped by the fact that there is some atheist satirist who does an impression of our Pastor Deacon Fred at atheist conventions. People hear about him and start rumors that they are the same person and that the real Landover Baptist Church is also just a joke. Some Atheists go so far as to vandalize our church's Wikipedia page to say that we are not a true religion." And then gives a link to the original wiki article, the one they prefer.  I think this shouldn't just be catagorized under humor, but give both sides.  landoverbaptist.ORG and .COM are parodies.  Read the forums at landoverbaptist.NET.  If it is a parody, there is nothing stating that it is.  It would also be in bad taste and very un-funny.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.216.41.56 (talk) 19:51, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a parody, a meta-joke parody of a parody. Whether that is "in bad taste and very un-funny" is a matter of personal taste (myself, I dislike most meta- stuff as often overly-precious intellectual mindgames of the pretentious sort). -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  21:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Landover is not a parody my wordy friend. Thats two votes to your one. This description will be changed no matter who you think you are. Your Quaker ways prejudice this article. Shame on you.Cosmos0001 (talk) 04:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure that this discussion is a prank, but go to http://www.landoverbaptist.org/tos.html, scroll down to the bottom, and highlight the space below the line that reads "Mouse over below for spoiler alert." The text there reads, "The Landover Baptist Church is a complete work of fiction. It is a satire/parody." Jackal59 (talk) 00:01, 1 May 2011 (UTC)


 * By moving your mouse over the cursor, you have committed an act of original research which is banned from Wikipedia. In any case, Landover's website often gets hacked by librals and athianists, who disguise their vandalism with inviso-text out of cowardice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.240.166.60 (talk) 05:40, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * First of all that's NOT original research. Second, it's still there, so joke's on you. 149.152.192.229 (talk) 01:53, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There are also plenty of sentences on the site that say it is real, why exactly is that one sentence you pick out more reliable than any other sentence on that site? Either the site is trustworthy enough to be a source for itself, or it is untrustworthy and should not be used as a source, and any and all claims based on that source should be removed from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.250.84.147 (talk) 07:23, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Its fake. this might be original research, but http://www.landoverbaptist.net/PS3.htm pretty much confirms the link between the .org and the .net of landoverbaptist. The article is on the ".net" domain of landover, which is the same domain as the fourm that everyone hates so much. You can actually access the .org domain from this particular page! 76.67.7.142 (talk) 22:22, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

It's a joke
The Landover Baptist Church must be a joke. It's users say that Minecraft, Diablo, Disney, Pacman and even My Little Pony are satanic, and that autist children should be beaten until they stop being autistic. Those thoughts are insane, so it has to be a joke, I hope it's a joke. They also hate Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, gays and everone except themselves.

For example look at the following: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=40617&highlight=earth DaneOfScandinavy (talk) 14:48, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


 * If it's real, there would be a Freehold, IA. And that town doesn't exist according to Google Maps  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.29.249 (talk) 00:21, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, now I'm confused. I was about convinced that Landover is a parody, as the article suggests, and then I read above that "They also hate Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, gays and ever[y]one except themselves." So.. it's an actual Evangelical church after all? Laodah 04:18, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

There is some evidence it could be in Freehold, Des Moines. Uehfku — Preceding undated comment added 15:20, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

"Protests" paragraph
It is entirely based on unreliable sources. "Objective Ministries" is a well-known parody website just like "Landover" and an editorial from theforce.net hardly meets the criteria for reliable sources. Seregain (talk) 02:47, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * True, but that doesn't warrant the removal of the paragraph. I've restored it and added an appropriate tag whilst I find some references to back up the assertion. Crafty (talk) 09:54, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * The paragraph was added based solely on phony information from a parody website and a completely unreliable source. I see no reason to keep it now that those two sources have been removed. And I seriously doubt there will ever be any reliable sources found that will justify the paragraphs inclusion. There is not and will most likely never be an organized protest against the website. In fact, I would guess that the vast majority of people have never even heard of the website. Seregain (talk) 16:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry but this paragraph is nonsense. "Objective Ministries" is not a fundamentalist Christian organization protesting about Landover; it is another parody. Many believe that it is a part of Landover and it is every bit as scathing and anti-Christianity as Landover. The other reference seems to be some comments from individuals who dislike Landover's brand of humour. In fact the main article appears to be gone from the site. And there is no way that http://theforce.net/jedicouncil/editorials/070999.shtml represents a fundamentalist Christian organization.

And where is the evidence for any of this statement: "These various groups are advocating different methods of forcibly censoring or shutting down the site including petitioning various places (such as the web site's ISP and Congress) to have them shut down or put on blocking or filtering lists."?

If anything like this had actually happened it would be well worth noting. But there is no evidence for it and Landover is scarcely important or influential enough to warrant such action. The section should be removed.```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stunz2 (talk • contribs) 00:39, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant to sign my above comment. I screwed up attempting to type the tildes :(. Stunz (talk) 07:32, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Knightdale, NC
There is an unfortunately-named Landover Baptist Church near my home. Would there be any merit in adding that as a footnote? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.182.31.108 (talk) 09:58, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Abraham Lincoln said that...
You can fool some of the people some of the time and you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool some of the people some of the time.99.231.242.65 (talk) 04:37, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll Let You Be In My Dreams, If I Can Be In Yours, but how is this relevant? . . dave souza, talk 07:22, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Remove tags
The page now seems well-cited. Also, in an article about a webpage,  the webpage itself can server as a reliable source. Harddk (talk) 13:54, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Thanks for taking care of that. Green Glass (talk) 01:10, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 July 2012
A real church has unwittingly followed one of the more extreme examples set by Landover Baptist Church. Pastor Erik Dykstra of Crossing Church in Elk River, Minnesota allegedly offered those attending his church a chance to win a Nintendo 3DS, 3D flat-screen TV, or 3D movie tickets, as part of the “Jesus in 3D” sermon series. His opinion on the matter was that he didn’t mind “bribing people with crap” in order to meet Christ.[5]

In the Description of this article, the last point: "A real church has unwittingly followed one of the more extreme examples set by Landover Baptist Church.[5]" could use further explanation, as it tells very little in current state. Following the source (i.e. [5]) which was provided: http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2011/04/real-church-steals-parodys-bribe-idea/ some further details could be added (as above) to make a more complete and coherent paragraph.

Mjsk (talk) 11:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Ryan Vesey Review me!  13:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

The current source is a biased representation of the church in question. The crossing church is located in an old movie theater and is focused on being an unusual/experimental place of worship in the middle of a populated city. To compare it to the parody of the Landover Baptist Church is a misrepresentation of both groups, as The Crossing is focused towards Christians who are uninterested in the current pattern of church worship and community involvement. Essentially, from what I understand, it is meant for Christians who were driven away from churches that Landover parodied. (not directly of course) I believe in it's current state this section has been simplified into a misrepresentation and should either be deleted or changed. source: http://www.crossing-church.com/?i=15575&mid=1000&id=389528 (Zacharia.cd (talk) 16:44, 7 August 2012 (UTC))

Merging Betty Bowers
I think a consensus on what to bring over and what to leave out would be good. Thoughts? JayHubie (talk) 03:55, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, then. JayHubie (talk) 01:32, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not clear why anyone wants them merged. What are the reasons for the change? Are they run by the same person or something? Green Glass (talk) 21:08, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I see now - it was the consensus of the delete discussion to merge the article here. I think just a paragraph talking about Betty Bowers and the author, connecting it to Landover, should be sufficient. Green Glass (talk) 21:13, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Has sat for a while so I made a paragraph from the cited content there. Not familiar with this so feel free to improve. AIR corn (talk) 08:15, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * What's the use of still listing a "See Also" link near the bottom, when that link just redirects to this page again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.4.121.179 (talk) 22:30, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

No longer updated?
The "what's new" page shows that last updated date as January 2012. :( 71.198.69.254 (talk) 19:20, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Misconception about LBC
It's a common misconception that the target of LBC is merely fundamentalist Christianity (as stated in the article). In fact, the aim of >90% of TCs is to show the stupidity of all religion. It actually frustrates some of the TCs when people limit LBC's scope to fundamentalism/literalism. It allows the moderate "Christians" to simply dismiss the cogent arguments made on LBC against Christianity. 82.24.56.87 (talk) 16:17, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

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