Talk:Leet/Archive 6

In breach
This article doesn't follow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT (not a dictionary). Feedback, thoughts? Businessman332211 16:20, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Leet is a language. There is precedent for the existence of this article because we have articles on ebonics and french. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwray (talk • contribs) 21:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

New image
The best carnumber ever! It's my grandmothers car:)Picture

Pie
I would like to REadd a small section on the leetspeak usage of "pie". However, it is unreferenced original research and should be removed (just like it was). I conducted the observation of its usage my self, how would i reference that?

Image
I found this image on flickr. I'm not sure if it's good enough, but it has the appropriate license. -- Lara Love Talk / Contribs  15:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ehhhhhhhh, I think that might be from a Bishōjo game, though the translation is apparently to some form of Leet? Kinda weird. Mendaliv 20:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

!!!This if from the Nintendo DS Lawyer game Phoenix Wright!!! HappyDragon 16:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

First sentence
Might want to consider re-wording. Apparently it can cause confusion as some may not understand the intended distinction between the Internet and online gaming. Maybe slip "forums" or "message boards" or something in there.

Another thing. A page has been created for Endovascular Aneurysm Repair (disambiguation) and a redirect placed on this article, which makes no sense at first glance. Evar is redirected to Leet. I suggest that it be given to the medical article. If anyone searches for the leet version of ever--evar--I think they'll figure it out eventually. -- Lara Love Talk / Contribs  23:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Random information: in World of Warcraft, on the armory, your lifetime honorable kills will not show up as a statistic unless you have at least 1337 honorable kills.

Morphology->"The -& suffix" and Vocabulary
This has been bugging me for awhile. How exactly is -& a suffix, or morphology at all? According to the paragraph it's just a typographical substitution, which would force it under the Vocabulary section, where similar multiletter substitutions are covered (such as @=at). On a wider note, mightn't the Vocabulary section be better placed within the Orthography section (or vice-versa)? Their subject matter is almost entirely the same. Mendaliv 00:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Variations of the spelling of "Leet"
Because there are so many variations of the spelling of "Leet", I think that they should all be listed in History. The spellings are "31337", "1337", "l33t", and they were all in the article back when it was featured anyway. There are many more variations on "Leetspeak", so just that fact alone (that there are many variations thereof) should be mentioned. Cliff smith 23:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Instead, I decided to move them to the lead, like when this was FA. Cliff smith 23:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Other leet translators?
I once stumbled upon a link last year to a website which two-way features basic, intermediate, and advanced leet translator plus two-way backwards text translation. The website layout is simple black text, white textbox & background. I haven't been able to archive the link; I tried searching on Google, Yahoo, and MSN. Anyone know where it is? Is it still online?

Origins of Leet Speak
Would it be useful to know the pioneer of emerging leet speak terms? I didnt include it in the section on Pie because 1. I dont know if anybody cares 2. I dont know if anybody would beleive it 3. Its likely that more than 1 person has thought of it without outside influence.

It comes from the most leet clan possible from counter strike bitches :P I PWN JOOOOOOOOOo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.163.133.208 (talk) 21:10, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

I have modified the claim that leet was developed to avoid text filters, which has a citation (but that citation has no citation), because I think it is improbable. Certainly, creative misspellings such as 'phone phreak' or 'fone freak' or 'phun' predate BBSes and IRC and can be seen, for example, in early issues of TAP magazine. As I recall the mid 1980 BBS world, much of the leet speak at the time was used in private (elite) areas of BBSes where software piracy and other illicit things were allowed by the sysop. So there was no need to avoid filters. We said things like "K-Rad" and "D00D, U R A R0DENT" simply because it was amusing. G-philes (general (information) files) of the time often contained ASCII art and ASCII art was used in many people's signature files. The prevalence of ASCII art, which clearly had no anti-filter purpose, is a strong indication that substituting "|<" for "K" needs no explanation beyond the facts that people like to be clever and subcultures develop their own ways of speaking.

The text used to say: It was primarily developed to defeat text filters created by BBS or Internet Relay Chat system operators for message boards to discourage the discussion of forbidden topics, like cracking and hacking.

Now it reads: One theory is that it was developed to defeat text filters created by BBS or Internet Relay Chat system operators for message boards to discourage the discussion of forbidden topics, like cracking and hacking. However, creative misspellings and ASCII-art-derived words were also a way to attempt to indicate one was knowledgeable about the culture of computer users.

As a side comment, I was heavily involved in BBSing in the early and mid 1980s using the pseudonym 'The Heretic'. MattBagg 01:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

pl0x
origins of the term pl0x?

often used in ragnarok online but where did it come from?

often used in place of please. HappyDragon 16:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

pl0x was invented in the now somewhat dead private ro server qRo,(quality ragnarok online), although i have no proof of this other than experience since there i saw the first instances of it (yes it does mean please), and im everywhere so yeah... ^^ --FranzSS 01:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

ROFLOLMAO
((editprotected)) We need to add ROFLOLMAO to the LOL and ROFL section!
 * Rolling on floor laughing out loud my ass off? Seriously? Lara Love  T / C  17:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure that is used very often, only to demonstrate uproarious laughter. Their are enough variations of "lol" already unecessary on this page, I belive that is more commonly used as Internet slang, rather than leet. If you want more variations of the word added to the Wiki, please do so in the official artical of "Laugh Out Loud". Catching Fallen Skies! 22:13, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Zomg?
Zomg is used a lot. I was just wondering wether it's random, or if someone made a decision to put a Z infront of omg.

BEN Yeah dude, ZOMG is supposedly where someone goes to hit the left-shitf button to capitalise OMG, but clips the Z key in their hurry. therefore, people use it when they're excited, or when they're mocking someone, 'ZOMGLOLWTF' -Grim- 03:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC) AHTH, & NT, JFGI

I started using zomg for a different reason then above. I came in to the online scene around the mid to late 90's, and only in the last 4 years have I really used a lot of leetspeak or net slangs. Anyways, I started using the suffix -zor as in haxxzors, and attatched it to OMGzors or OMGZORS. "Oh My God Zors" turned into "Zoh My God" which formed ZOMG. I don't ever recall misspelling it accidently by hitting the Z key instead of shift, so for me personally that wasn't the cause of the word. I find it's not used as commonly as OMG so it feels more unique. Blissfulpain 13:45, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I started using it because it sounds amusing if you say it... "Zoh my gosh!" It makes it pretty dweeby... But that's normally the point. Siddonie 07:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Additions
There is a new language forming on a World of Warcraft private realm forum called ROAM speak or some such thing. It's still rather hard to decipher or write, but it appears to be a dialect of leetspeak. I tried a google search and looked on the wiki already, but I can't find any other place it's spoken.

The following link may contain objectionable pictures or language

http://www.illidrama.com/forums/

Illidan Realm Forums - Powered by vBulletin

Examples:

^ = up

S^ = sup or what's up?

also, a phrase commonly used by an infamous Illidrama troll named Jaedan is:

Wud^ dew? or What's up dude?

Also the number "45" holds some significants I haven't figured out yet. Used as:

lol?45

It just seems more like an accent then a full fledged new version of leetspeak. I am uncertain where the name ROAM was coined, but it seems to be related to PvP and camping Vs Roaming

Other things this article could use:

The origins of things like

Roflcopter - Where did Copter come from?

and

BBQ as in OMGWTFBBQ

also a new one is QQ or "cry cry", "crying", "whining". The Q's make teary eyes and someone told me that the word for crying in Japanese, Korean or Chinese was the reason for the Q's but I'm not sure on that. I first saw this form on the World of Warcraft forums. Blissfulpain 13:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the whole "wats^" is coming around fat, and its starting to form to jsut "w^". I haven't seen too much 45, probably jsut to mess with people because theres this whole thing where people say "pl0x" instead of "please", which used to be the easy "plz". Haha, roflcopter... not sure where this came from but it's pretty funny, and there's even a game centered around it, google it. I don't know where' you coming with BBQ with though.
 * The BBQ bit of course is a reference to the common abbreviation used for the word barbecue, and is simply a play on the fact that the user happens, and, desperate to make the acronym longer, starts throwing out whatever he can think of. That's essentialy the nature of that joke.
 * But seriously, WoW is owning the world with this new talk and it's driving me insane. my philosophy: Use it while you can, it'll save you maybe a minute of your complete life life. Lol <-- right there
 * 24.147.47.32 06:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

the phrase 9 inches isn't even included in this, I mean cmon it is the essence of 1337 speak. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yourmom19 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Owned and Pwned
Umm..... pwned doesnt mean purely owned.... soooo... yeah that's completly wrong.

SMILIES!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111 :]

24.147.47.32 05:54, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes the person above me is correct. "Pwned" does not mean purely owned, excuse my language here but it means "Fucking Owned" and is contraction of the two words. Originaly to "Fwned" but since many MMORPGs ban foul lanagae it would also block that word if said in the game and the "F" was switched to "P", creating "Pwned", to allow it to be said in the game.

My knowledge of this comes from an MMORPG (Runesape) that i play often.

(War Junky 91 13:22, 14 July 2007 (UTC))

No. both Owned and Pwned predate Runescape. Tar7arus 09:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

FFS people due to the fact that 1337 speak is not a real language we have no definitive way of knowing what the P stands for, lets just agree it is one step above owned.

Seems clear to me that pwned comes from an accidental misspelling of owned, due to the p key being next to the 'o' key, and it conveniently sounded like an organic evolution, agree with above, one step above owned, and sounds cool to read/imagine hearing, so it came into widespread use. Webfxca (talk) 06:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Hacker/hacking
In the histoury section they have a link in the word hacking. Obviously this is reference to computer hacking so shouldn't we make the link to hacking instead of where it leads now? I can't edit the page for some reason so someone else will have to...  Thanks. 70.240.192.109 18:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

31337
I was reading through this article and i questioned myself why there was no information about the port nr: 31337 in here which was used for getting into win 95 computers, which the leet speak was mainly based on.

Picture

Argot
It's not really an argot anymore, is it? It's pretty well known and is generally used to evoke a certain culture/attitude, not to be secretive. 24.239.55.35 21:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Relationship to other jargons
I'd like to add a section about the relationship between Leet and other jargons. Below are my general impressions, but I'd like to get other editors' input before I go and try to track down sources.
 * Leet really took off with online roleplaying, but it has its roots in the 1980s when the hacker and roleplayer subcultures of the 70s merged to form the video gaming subculture. Hacker (as represented in the classic Jargon File), is a direct offshoot of the computer jargon of the 40s-present, whereas roleplayer jargon is an offshoot of Fanspeak (the jargon of science fiction fandom dating from the early 30s-present, as documented in the many, many glossaries and Fancyclopediae going back to the WWII era). Netspeak, and its recent (2000s) offshoot Lolcats are fed by all of these varieties, as well as by other fanspeak-influenced jargons (like Scadian, Furry, and Comix fandom) and popular slang varieties (like “gangsta” and “valley girl”), not to mention foreign languages (mainly Japanese via anime). And, of course all of these varieties cross-pollinate to varying degrees. You could say they’re all sisters.

Thanks! Aelffin 16:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Phail
This is very important piece of 1337 speak, for example this entire wiki page is an epic phail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yourmom19 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, but YOU phail to sign your comments.

UBER PHAIL! PWNT! 71.252.254.62 23:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought it was 4chan speak. Not all Internet dialect is part of 1337. --68.44.13.236 14:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Azerty keyboards
The over exclamation on azerty keyboards replaces the '1' by '8', as in ZOMGWTF!!!888!888!88 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thrawn666 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

All available on Debian
Perhaps add a note that on GNU/Linux, one can do $ sudo apt-get install filters $ man eleet FILTERS(6)                                                                                       FILTERS(6)

NAME ken, b1ff,  censor,  chef,  cockney,  eleet,  fudd,  jethro,  jibberish, jive, kenny, kraut, ky00te, nethack, newspeak, nyc, pirate, rasterman,  scottish,  spammer,  studly,  uniencode,  upside-down  - assorted text filters

SYNOPSIS $SHELL | chef

newspeak < thesis.tex > newthesis.tex

eleet | wall # b1ff works well too

b1ff | ircII | censor

DESCRIPTION All of  these  programs are filters to do all sorts of strange things to text. No personal, racial, religious or societal slurs are intended. For amusement only.

All the filters read input from stdin, change it, and write the filtered text to stdout.

FOFL!!!
rofl, sum1 put up that fofl is more common than rofl.... i've never even heard of fofl, it sounds stupid when u sound it out too =P so i'd never use it... anyways, that statement should be removed, and i don't mean fofl should be removed, i mean saying it is more common should. anyone think so too?--FranzSS 01:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

FOFL...never heard of it =P 71.252.254.62 23:05, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

O RLY?
Why is the "O RLY"? fad included on this page? As far as I know there is no direct connection between this and "1337". Perhaps this should be moved.

70.21.154.225 23:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, "O RLY" is just an internet fad / culture and has nothing to do with 1337, the section should not be included in the main article Inoesomestuff 22:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Orly/Yarly are also acceptable spellings. 24.236.147.220 05:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Rofl copter
ROFLCOPTER

Rofl Copter is another use of the word ROFL (Rolling on floor laughing) in stupid or humorous term. it could be used in a sentance like "OMG! ROFLCOPTER LOL!! :D" The :D is a smiley face commonly used on the internet.

LOLLERSKATES

LOLLERSKATE

WWW vs the Internet
"Leet ... is a written argot used primarily on the Internet, but becoming increasingly common in many online video games'"

Um, aren't online video games by definition on the Internet? Perhaps what's meant is the World Wide Web, rather than the Internet?

Matthew0028 04:19, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Substituting letters for numbers in general
Do names like "4orty 2wo Entertainment" and titles like Th1rte3n and Numb3rs count as leet? If not, is there another term for them? --DocumentN 23:22, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

There are WAAAAAAY more variations
The Leet alphabet has way more variations, i suggest creating a new article about them.

T)10 j00 |< /\/ 0 \/\/???? lol

-- • Storkian • 16:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

J
I think you can also write a J as a 9 Rainerbe 20:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

How? -- AMFilmsInc (and, Action) 00:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

...type "9" instead of "J"? 9abba the hut? Tar7arus (talk) 11:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I did it for the lulz!
Who corrupted my lols?!?!?!1111/8/1/one111eleventytwelve1/1/111/0OSHI-masa ♫  01:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

letter N
another way to write the letter 'N' is |\| —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyrfxrssn (talk • contribs) 17:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

speculation

 * An episode of Jeopardy! saw a contestant wager $1337 (possibly as a dare) instead of a normal rounded figure number.

"possibly as a dare" should probably be removed as it is highly speculative. the statement itself isn't sourced which isn't good either. i'd fix or remove it myself, but seems to be locked at the moment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.1.44 (talk) 20:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

|:|
I can't believe this is on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AMFilmsInc (talk • contribs) 00:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

zomg
i think it's kinda important that zomg be included. this came into existence when noobs who were getting shot at crouched (z) and said something. they pressed "talk" before they crouched(z) when they said "omg before crouching, it came out as "zomg". that is all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Epointt (talk • contribs) 06:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I AGREE DELETE THIS ARTICLE OR WRITE A LITTLE BRIEF SUMMARY ON WHAT IT IS IN INTERNET SLANG. I think we all know that... Do you realize there's no wiki for internet slang ehem i mean languages? This article might as well be a stub. -- Storkian aka iSoroush Talk  02:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

LOL ambiguity
The first section of the LOL section has an ambiguity: "Among the earliest Internet slang terms is LOL,[15] an indication of appreciation of humor ... It could also mean lots of love, but this is rare, if encountered at all in online culture.[18]" Curious to know which is meant, since it may be a somewhat off-topic comment. Jaamkie (talk) 21:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Fox 11 news has (famously) reported that LOL is an internet acronym for "Lauhging Out Loud". I have only seen LOL tranlated as "Lots of Love" in a non-serious environment (for example, uncyclopedia "reporting" that one should reply "LOL" if a person's pet just died/contracted illness/is going for an operation etc). Tar7arus (talk) 11:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I have also seen LOL mean "Lots of Laughs" though not far from "Laughing out Loud" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.251.150.98 (talk) 17:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Why is there a picture of a stopwatch on this page?
I think the picture of a stopwatch and odometer showing 1337 are useless. After all, on ever other "number" page, do we have a picture showing a random object showing the number? We know what 1337 looks like, we don't need a picture of it. littlebum2002 21:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

On -ages...
glompage is a highly common one. Also, the -age suffix is comparable to -ing in traditional English; for example, "He was pwnage back there!" can also be written as "He was pwning back there!" Angelica K 20:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)