Talk:Leet/Archive 8

Elite Typeface
I think it's just fortuitous happenstance that "Elite" was also the very common smaller typface used on typewriters and early printers. Nice resurfacing of the homonym. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.74.13.100 (talk) 12:07, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Winsauce
This page has a bunch of suffixes. I feel that the -sauce suffix is definitely associated with 1337. Is anyone with me on this?72.195.135.253 (talk) 07:26, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 November 2012
In the Orthography section, second paragraph.

"B1FF" links to this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIFF

When it is in fact referring to this use of the term: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B1ff

BitCrafty (talk) 10:37, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Minor and uncontroversial. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 19:30, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 November 2012
Are the first two notes necessary really? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.237.135.101 (talk) 07:42, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Kingston goes leet.
Kingston recently announced a 1 terabyte flash drive with an MSRP of $1337 USD. Perhaps someone at the company thinks they're being "with it" or even "hip".Bizzybody (talk) 09:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 February 2013
It is wrong where is says that Koreans say "kekeke". Please change it to "kuhkuhkuh", which is the actual pronunciation. I am half-Korean and can read Korean, so I would know. :3

Rawwars (talk) 01:13, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.- Happysailor  (Talk) 20:36, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: the entire section was removed by User:관인생략 (kwan-in) in this edit. - M0rphzone (talk) 08:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Isaak Asimov uses "1337" in 1954
Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucker_Bait. Coincidence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.155.0 (talk) 01:01, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 June 2013
PLEASE!!! I HAVE NEW INFO 2 4DD

67.191.36.59 (talk) 04:03, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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Mistake noticed
The vast majority of people who use the word "pwn" pronounce the 'P' when speaking it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.250.255 (talk) 22:29, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Character Limits are not covered in the article
A large part of what made leet convenient, especially in the days where character limits were more heavily imposed but still today, is how it can be used to condense words into very few characters. I.e. hacks->hax. -xor and such were more commonly making fun of the shorthand, and not all characterizations have to do much with this. b4 and omg are shorthand, but my username for example is not. This way of typing not only made typing shorter for beginners, it also introduced a quick way to get across ideas with character replacements which was especially important when limited to say 20 characters per line. P4wn4g3 (talk) 08:56, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Suggesting a different leet translator
I suggest to replace the leet translator in the links section by this one: http://cryptii.com/text/leetspeak The given translator does not work for me, it shows lots of <?>s. Thanks. --195.37.142.72 (talk) 16:24, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Grammatical mistake
"Within Leet, the term n00b, and derivations thereof, is used extensively." should be "... are used ...".

82.42.106.231 (talk) 12:33, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

31337 and 313373 Prime numbers
I guess god was a hacker: 31337 and 313373 are prime numbers. Does anybody know whether this may have played a role in choosing the term Elite and 31337 as its Leetspeak equivalent, besides the similar looking characters?178.203.192.78 (talk) 23:41, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Lost Vikings 2 and l33t
Lost vikings 2's passwords are based on a form of l33t alphabet. To me, and to many others, I assume, it was a "first look" at l33t. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.173.4.68 (talk) 14:32, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Add e13e7 as possible 'leet' variation
I motion that my username 'e13e7' is also a great example for a variation of 'leet' (given in the top-level summary), and distinctly adds value by suggesting that all instances of a single character do not have to be converted, even if adjacent. E13e7 (talk) 03:23, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

103.7 MHz
Just something that came to my mind today while listening to radio. In the standard FM broadcast band (87.5~108.0 MHz), the closest approximation to 1337 seems to be 103.7 MHz. If anyone thinks that this piece of trivia belongs to the article, please add it. I wonder if any of the many radio stations broadcasting at 103.7 has been launched at that frequency as a reference to leet... I guess not. 77.70.30.216 (talk) 01:04, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Far too long
This article is far too long. The internet language does not warrant paragraph-long definitions or corrupted words. I'm seeing this all over Wikipedia. People with vested interests and agendas heavily making Wiki articles about irrelevant things seem more important than they are.194.66.226.95 (talk) 14:13, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

The image is bad
Hello, is "\_/1!>1P3[]14", the image is bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.161.245.21 (talk) 07:44, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I've replaced it with a photo of a "31337 h4x0r" laptop sticker. --McGeddon (talk) 13:23, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 December 2014
The image, as it is now, is not a very good representation of leetspeak. It simply shows a computer sticker that does not give the whole picture. I'd recommend changing it to some kind of table that shows the leetspeak alphabet versus roman characters (like this page). I feel that a translation of sorts would better show a user new to leetspeak the general idea thereof.

If the image does stay the same, then the caption's grammar should be fixed. It currently reads: "A "31337 h4x0r" laptop sticker". This is awkward to say, as the "31337" is pronounced as "elite". The "A" should, therefore, be changed to an "An". The English language rules on "a" vs. "an" are based solely on the pronunciation of the next word in the sentence. Since "31337" is meant to sound like "elite", the "A" that precedes it should become an "An". This is similar to "a hour) vs. "an hour". The latter is correct as "hour", although is does not begin with a vowel, sounds as though it begins with an "o".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JasSingh99 (talk • contribs) 01:44, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 January 2013
ALPHABET 1337

A = @ or |\ or 4 or ^ or /-\ B = |3 or ]3 or 8 or &#223; C = ( or &#169; D = |) or ]) or &#208; E = 3 or &#163; F = # or |= G = 9 H = |-| I = 1 or ! or ][ or &#161; J = _| K = |< or |{ L = |_ or | or 1 M = |\/| or /\/\ or ^^ N = |\| or /\/ O = or 0 or &#176; or &#164; or • P = |D or &#254; or &#222; Q = & or &#182; (dunno really about Q, anyone?) R = |2 or &#174; S = $ or 5 or &#167; T = + or 7 U = |_| V = \/ W = |/\| or \/\/ or |/\/ or \/\| X = >< or &#215; or }{ Y = &#165; or &#253; Z = 2

from url : http://www.gamerzplanet.net/forums/foreign-language-discussion/51040-1337-alphabet-and-translator.html

114.79.2.215 (talk) 17:59, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 21:57, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Add the 1337 alphabet Here are the 26 1337 secrets. A = 4 B = |3 C = ( D = |) E = 3 F = |= G = 6 H = |-| I = | J = 9 K = |< L = 1 M = |v| N = |/| (It is backwards because the frontslash under the backspace key is famous for not showing up on many websites.) O = 0 (zero) P = |* Q = 0, R = |2 S = 5 T = 7 U = |_| V = |/ W = |/|/ X = >< (Is normal in words like |-|4x0|2) Y = `/ Z = 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.161.87.224 (talk) 05:24, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2015

 * Open Source Leet Translator

188.124.228.122 (talk) 02:25, 12 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. --I am  k6ka  Talk to me!   See what I have done  02:28, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

seriously
a definition for 1337,sad jonanthony78910 -former robloxian- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.148.152.28 (talk) 04:47, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 July 2015
It is important to note the difference between noob (or n00b) and newb. The definition in this article suits newb more: someone new to something (usually a game) and for that reason clueless to many advanced aspects of that subject. A noob is someone who has been in that environment (again, usually a game) for a longer time but is still very bad at it or use controversial tactics or in some other way display a big lack of skill.

Some references (I doubt there's any more reputable sources for a popular topic like this).

2A02:1810:9507:9E00:A585:D2B4:7BCD:17E3 (talk) 11:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  13:31, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Adding info to "origin of !!!!111!!111"
There was a discussion nine years ago that I just discovered in the archive discussion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Leet/Archive_1#origin_of_.21.21.21.21111.21.21111). I realize that this is insignificant, but in the interest of completeness I thought I'd weigh in on it.

It was posited in the Wikipedia article of that time that The Gonif was the inventor of writing "!!!!111!!111" (on the BBS The Adventurer's Tavern). I was The Gonif at this time, and while I certainly did type "!!1!" an awful lot, I doubt that I invented it. I recall a lot of us doing that as a natural satirical response to all the "new warez kids" who had just gotten their modems and either didn't type well or didn't care much for proofreading before posting. HawkeVIPER got that part exactly right.

That's all I wanted to say, except that I didn't change my name to "SchvartzGonif" as was also posted in that discussion.

5-19-2016 Well this is "Sector Vector" and I knew you bud... (Circle 'K' 4 LIFE)... I certainly also remember we both proliferated "!!!1!!11" quite a bit on the Tavern and I even jokingly have said before that I invented it, but we certainly did not. I think my earliest recollection of seeing it there was reading one of those ridiculous "short stories" on the Tavern some people were fond of writing. One had The Gonif shouting "KAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!11!!!1! I AM SO KAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!111!!!11!" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.229.247.74 (talk) 16:42, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

79.143.82.250 (talk) 23:15, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

spoken form
Is there a spoken form? Can, for example. pwn be pronounced? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.103.133 (talk) 15:23, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Leet = jargon?
Does Leet fit the definition of jargon? This should be clarified in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.195.170.128 (talk) 01:47, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 May 2013
This is probably one of the worst written articles I have read through in a while. Where the heck are you getting your sources from? This Anthony Mitchell guy just slapped together a silly "OPINION" piece which you have taken most of your information from. Also that it was written over 5 years ago.

Also, leet is just a word to describe elite, it is not the word to describe the act of manipulating language through symbols. That would be called "Leet Speak" and should have its own separate wiki page.

There are a lot of other issues with this article that I am not going to go through, but all because you are able to find sources it does not mean that those sources within themselves are accurate and could have been written by anyone.

Overall, this is a very misleading page.

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2017
Reorientate the header picture, It's upside down. Therealguy (talk) 20:36, 28 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: @Therealguy: The items that are meant to be seen in the picture are the stickers. If the image were reoriented, the text would be upside down. —C.Fred (talk) 20:39, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Edit request for an early use of Leet outside BBS in 1981
I've found an early use of "Leet" in 1981, documented on the "Escape" LP Cover art by Stanley Mouse of the band "Journey". He stylized "ESCAPE" as E5C4P3 on the album cover, the LP topped the American Billboard 200 chart in 1981. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_(Journey_album)#/media/File:JourneyEscapealbumcover.jpg
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 14:16, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

It isn't about change anything but on adding new informations I've found, sorry if the request isn't in a correct form but I'm new to wikipedia editing. I'll try to put in Change X to Y format:

CHANGE:

Leet symbols, especially the number 1337, are Internet memes that have spilled over into popular culture. Signs that show the numbers "1337" are popular motifs for pictures and shared widely across the Internet.

TO:

Early use of "Leet" outside BBS is documented on the "Escape" LP of the band "Journey", the album cover author Stanley Mouse stylized the title in "E5C4P3". The LP topped the American Billboard 200 chart in 1981. [note link] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_(Journey_album)#/media/File:JourneyEscapealbumcover.jpg

Leet symbols, especially the number 1337, are Internet memes that have spilled over into popular culture. Signs that show the numbers "1337" are popular motifs for pictures and shared widely across the Internet.

Talk Carlosanta (talk) 15:40, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting question.svg Question: Now you Change  is clear, but you didn't provide a reliable source to back your claim.  Note Wikipedia is not reliable source. Do you've any other? &thinsp;&mdash; Ammarpad (talk) 16:15, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Well, there are many, here are the most reliable I've found: http://www.journeymusic.com/pages/disc/107 Journey official page https://www.allmusic.com/album/escape-mw0000190446 All Music Database Carlosanta (talk) 09:02, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * After this request you have been automatically autonconfirmed and you can now edit the page and all semi protected pages directly. You should try and see &thinsp;&mdash; Ammarpad (talk) 11:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Comments on poor documentation of translation.
http://www.robertecker.com/hp/research/leet-converter.php?lang=en There are simpler character translations. And h4xor should be a 0 not a o.

And I contend that l337 ch4n635 7h3 5p3ll1n6 n07 7h3 pr0nunc14710n (leet changes the spelling not the pronunciation)

and hence d3x0r should be just as easily readable, and it's not D-xor. Unfortunatly reverse trnaslators seem to only manage 'dexor' as english translation instead of 'decker' since x0r = cker. Are there other Phonyms(? is that a word)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by D3x0r (talk • contribs) 23:46, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

alphabetic characters
The first paragraph says this: "It uses some alphabetic characters to replace others..." But the use of the word "alphabetic" seems incorrect. Or, at the least, not complete. Isn't it that usually alphabetic characters/symbols in words are replaced with NON-alphabetic characters/symbols? Aren't the substitutions most often numbers or punctuation/grammar characters/symbols? I understand that sometimes one alphabetic character replaces another (e.g. 'p' for 'o' in "pwn"–which I've usually heard means "own.") But I've also heard that many of those actually come from misspellings that became common as the use of keyboards/typing increased. I don't know much about leet or leetspeak, so I'm trying to frame all this as questions. But that sentence in the opening paragraph was very confusing.Colbey84 (talk) 03:00, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No you are right. If you dig back in the history, you find this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leet&oldid=630661473 which was clearer. Somewhat. But that version says it is an "alternate alphabet" which is just plain wrong in my opinion. However the bit about using ASCII characters for Latinate characters is clearer and seems to be what you are getting at. Bod (talk) 04:08, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Time References
This article contains a number of relative time related words (e.g. "currently") but does not specify when those words refer to. Those who know should fix this.

1.127.107.148 (talk) 14:52, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Illegal File Sharing
I think leet speak's use in illegal file sharing should be added to the page.

One of the very common and major uses for leet speak was to change the file names of files you were sharing or downloading illegally to leet speak. My only source for this is simply that I was alive and involved in warez during the 90s and early 2000's. Leet speak also wasn't just a character substitution cipher, but also involved intentional misspelling of words and writing words with missing vowels. Different warez communities would have their own standard misspellings they would use.

I will give an example of how leet speak affected Napster. On Napster, copy right owners of music would search for their music by song name, send DMCA requests to Napster to have files removed, then go after people downloading the files by filing abuse reports with their ISP based on the IP addresses. By changing the names of songs to leet speak it allowed people to continue to download music files, while preventing the copy right owners from filing DMCA requests or abuse complaints because part of the complaint involves showing logs of IP addresses and downloaded file names of your copy righted songs as proof. (yes, this stuff was really verified using only file names XD)

In modern times you can prove a file is the same file using checksums and you can no longer go after people so aggressively just knowing their IP address, so things are quite different today.

Leet speak was used on torrent sharing sites, wazez sites with ftp servers, warezs forums, usenet, etc specifically to obfuscate file names so copy right owners wouldn't be able to easily scan for them and send DMCA requests or punish users.Meskarune (talk) 04:01, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Maybe a short history of “k-rad” can be added?
It appears to be an older name for “l33t sp34k”.

Ref: http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/library/ETYMOLOGY/WORDS/KRAD/k-rad.html Henk Poley (talk) 04:57, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Mathematics
Mathematics Kamogelo Thabani (talk) 21:26, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Isn't this a bit dated?
Leet is so last century... well perhaps it isn't dead yet but it is far from ubiquitous in the 2020s; I only use it ronically now and it's a rare sight in the wild. Perhaps the article should reflect this? Stub Mandrel (talk) 19:40, 24 May 2020 (UTC) Contribs ━━━┥ 00:00, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm agreed with you on this, but not sure where the sourcing for that statement might be found. Or is it a "sky is blue, grass is green, leet is dead" situation?  bibliomaniac 1  5  21:28, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I would argue that excessive emoji usage is a defendant of leetspeek. That being said, this probably doesn't comply with WP:FACTS. -- Diriector_Doc ┝Talk

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for some reason, actual wannabe elites of any kind by means of weapons and electronics of any kind leetspeak freemasonry
Does anyone know what could be a reason why this happens here? I mean they leetspeak freemasonry?! Are they promasonic or antimasonic racists?! All 450 Volts capacitors are all leetspeaked freemasonry related, fr33m450nry, so to speak. Only few weapons experts yet claim, this in reality is n**i third reich nonsense related. And that this has NOTHING to do with the UN itself, as the UN hates the third reich for a reason! --94.134.91.36 (talk) 03:19, 28 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Ok, unrelated to ANYTHING, but its so f\/(|n9 (I'm terrible at that) funny but theres a user (and I cant spell their username) who only knows leet. They understand English, but probably cant write it! His talk page cracks me up (dispite it seeming to be gibberish)! Just hoped to add some humor to your day. --  L10nM4st3r (talk) 19:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

There is no silent -e in liebe
In response to "without extra "...3" digit for the silent "-e")"; the -e suffix is definitely pronounced. ~victorsouza (talk) 04:03, 18 October 2022 (UTC)