Talk:Leona Lewis/Archive 2

A concise chronology
Do we really need two Level 2 X-Factor headers? 2006: The X Factor and After The X-Factor is crude. The information in the second subsection would be better merged into the first and third sections (for each respective year). Dynablaster (talk) 22:12, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * My opinion is that its fine the way it is. 2006: The X Factor lets people know they are reading about her time on X Factor and After The X-Factor lets people know they are reading about her time post X Factor. Thanks John Sloan (view / chat) 22:18, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, I can see the original intent. But that does nothing to address the issue. Again, two separate X-Factor sections is unnecessary because most of the information sits better in the other two sections immediately above and below. Don't believe me? Kindly take a look at the disputed section After The X-Factor. It begins by informing readers about the level of pre-orders before the show had finished and ends by informing readers about the contract Leona signed in February of 2007 when she had already begun putting together her first album! Merging this information would improve the chronology. Dynablaster (talk) 23:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Would anyone else like to comment on this proposal, before I change it? Dynablaster (talk) 05:43, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

"Run"
Just to point out that the record that "Run" set in the UK for fastest selling in a day was broken a few weeks later by X Factor winner Alexandra Burke's single "Hallelujah" can this be added? Wneedham02 (talk) 17:05, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Worth pointing out the record was for a digital only release and still stands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.244.97 (talk) 00:43, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Fan page
Funny how the Leona fans will print anything from any source as long as it's positive, but as soon as the slightest big of negative information crops up it is quickly reverted.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Riksweeney (talk • contribs) 16:20, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, no, even positive information needs to be sourced, and well-sourced, for that matter. With negative information, bear in mind that Leona Lewis is a living person, and we need to make extra sure that all material is verified. Finally, it also depends on how notable an event or certain information is. Acalamari 22:39, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

This page contains far too much trivial information - e.g. - name and breed of her dog, the number of records she sold compared to other rivals, how much money was she given for each appearance, who she know, who she was introduced to, etc. This page is absurdly long for a singer who has only been in a spotlight for 18 months and needs to be trimmed. Compare it with other, long standing artists, and you will see what I mean. Scarfy (talk) 08:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Agree. Some of the trivia has gone in the time between your post and mine, but the article is still overly long. I'm also concerned at the length of the 2007-2008: Spirit and international breakthrough section - particularly as there's a separate article for Spirit.  I do think, though, that some of the apparently trivial stuff could stay - the article should aim to give a "flavour" of Lewis' charitable and ethical work, for example.  Cheers,  This flag once was red propagandadeeds 10:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The problem here is that there is a lot of information added by die hard fans, to wit: "Leona Lewis voice has 3 octaves and one seminote", precise number of downloads and sales, that it beat previous records held by artist X, number of YouTube viewing and how it has surpassed the number of views by artist X, that 3 billion people watched her sing at the Olympic ceremony, pointless additions about a music video and who is in it, an advert for her own brand of accessories... the list is endless. This article, without doubt, reads like a fan page. Whenever information is added about her refusing to attend the Brits or the scuffle with Chris Brown, it is removed instantly. I will continue to add the Fansite and Cleanup templates until this is all cleaned up. If you want to have a dedicated Leona Lewis fansite, then please start you own website. Remember: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place for promotion of people nor products. Scarfy (talk) 16:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I removed both the examples you list, so I'm not convinced the problems with the page can be attributed to "die hard fans" (to say nothing of the lack of good faith that that raises). The scuffle with Chris Brown was, as I recall, a rumour with various unnamed sources citing Brown's partner.  Not attending the Brit Awards was a report on an event which - at that point - was yet to happen (or not happen), and is trivial - artistes don't attend award ceremonies all the time, for a variety of reasons.
 * For the record, I am explicitly not a Leona Lewis fan; I came here by way of following a sock puppeteer who's been troubling a number of Scotland-related articles (for the curious, my musical tastes lie more in these directions). Cheers,  This flag once was red propagandadeeds 16:58, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * While I agree that the article needs cleaning up, you mention: "I will continue to add the Fansite and Cleanup templates until this is all cleaned up". Wouldn't it be more productive to help clean the article rather than revert-war over templates? Yes, the templates are necessary, but it would be better to sort out the article rather than argue over templates on the article. Acalamari 00:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm will trim some information to satisfy these concerns. Dynablaster (talk) 23:58, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Whenever people attempt to clean up this article, the changes are instantly reverted by those who have the page on their watch list. That's why I have insisted on keeping the templates on this page, so that we can draw attention to this. When articles contain sentences such as "She was kept off the number one position by Duffy who sold only 302 more copies of her single "Mercy" than Lewis", you know something has gone wrong. Such sentences, whilst they may be factual, are of no real benefit and do nothing but belittle the other artists for the sake of Lewis' fan base. Scarfy (talk) 09:52, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Involvement in Rihanna/Chris Brown dispute
Can someone add how Chris Brown *allegedly* flirting with Leona set off the whole beating up of Rihanna. Since her publicist has made a statement denying(according to the Rihanna page) this is it not noteworthy. The rihanna page has some sources. If its added remember to be neutral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jambo-numba1 (talk • contribs) 17:49, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Speculation from unnamed sources? This is an encyclopedia, not a gossip magazine. It would be UNDUE to give this unattributed rubbish any room at all. Dynablaster (talk) 22:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Re-writing
I have started the process of re-writing this page according to wikipedia guidelines. Wiki says that this article is too much like a fan page with too much trivia. I have started removing the unfounded information but it will take time to do so. Please be patient. Do not revert back to a version before 2nd march as this will go against wiki guidelines. By all means have a go at re-writing the article if you wish. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 19:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC))


 * Of the changes you have already made, none of them deal with the area of concern raised on this talk page (r.e. fan page). It just seems you are tweaking the wording, and not always for the better. Dynablaster (talk) 01:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Its funny you say that because wiki now says the article is much better. it no longer warns you that the page resembles a fanpage or website now. im not saying that is is perfect bu it is a step in the right direction.(Lil-unique1 (talk) 22:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC))
 * "Wiki" doesn't comment on the quality of the article; individual editors do - the warning was a result of a tag left by an editor. Incidentally, when you starting editing the article the tag had already been removed. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 22:10, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Voice type
Lewis, a coloratura soprano with a 4 octave vocal range Lewis's mezzo-soprano range allows her to take melodies from luxurious low notes to high-flying falsetto, gliding with elegant power and impressive control through all kinds of fluctuations and modulations. Music Critic Stephen Erlewine of Allmusic praises Lewis's vocal range and ability to hit those big notes but make it seem easy, never straining her voice and building nicely to the climax. Unlike most divas, there is a human quality to Lewis's voice, as she's singing to the song, not singing to her voice.

Rumours
After complaining that this entry reads too much like a fan page, user Lil-unique1 now insists on inserting unsubstantiated information into the page; namely, that Leona Lewis and Justin Timberlake are planning to remake "I Will Always Love You" by Dolly Parton. As I wrote in my edit summary of 24 February, "There is no point first including [this] claim then adding a reference from Clive [Davis] where he denies it. The article would be a mess." Despite this, Lil-unique1 has once more reinserted the same information, which claims (falsely, I might add) that this news was revealed during "a recent interview with British Newspapers". His latest edit summary reads: "[Y]ou dont have a reference [denying] it so [the information] stays." I do recall watching a television interview with Clive Davis where he denied this rumour, but unfortunately I am unable to locate that clip. In the following radio interview, however, Davis tells Ryan Seacrest that he believes the rumour is inaccurate. (at 4:15). Therefore, lacking solid information, please can we keep this stuff off the page. Ta. Dynablaster (talk) 00:08, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry i apologise, i wasnt aware of this interview. This is why i asked if you had the reference to prove otherwise. I just didnt want incorrect information to be written or correct info to be excluded. (Lil-unique1 (talk) 16:58, 8 March 2009 (UTC))


 * No problem. Speculation is abundant, and it doesn't necessarily deserve a place on this page, even if published by a "reliable source". Dynablaster (talk) 17:44, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Separation of The X Factor and Music career sections
I think The X Factor section should stay a subsection of the Music career section, as it covers the release of her debut single, which shouldn't be part of the Spirit and international breakthrough section. Comments? AnemoneProjectors (what?) 23:20, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Would we say X-Factor was part of her professional career? I'm not sure. Let's hear what other people say. Dynablaster (talk) 01:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I probably wouldn't, but it kind of runs into the release of AMLT. Not sure what to suggest :) AnemoneProjectors (what?) 02:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Biggest-selling single
Hi there. Can a source be provided for this huge statement(The single is the biggest selling single of the twenty-first century by a female artist worldwide)? Hips don't Lie has more sales according to media traffic. Is that reliable enough to prove wrong this statement? Many Thanks. Jambo-numba1 (talk) 11:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently not, there's been a beside it for over a month. I've removed it (well, I've  ) for the time being. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 11:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Media Traffic had Bleeding Love overtake Hips Don't Lie quite a few months back - they've sinced removed the Most points since 1997 chart. If I remember correctly Bleeding Love and Timabaland ft. One Republic's Apologize had overtaken Cher's Believe in the all time chart which is far above Hips Don't Lie.

The Fancruft box
Is this still necessary? Surely most of the concerns have been addressed over the last three months and there's been no further discussion on the issue by the editor who first brought this up? 81.110.244.97 (talk) 00:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.244.97 (talk) 00:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Quite possibly - I reverted you when you removed it simply because you didn't explain why. If you feel the issues have been addressed, note that in your edit summary (and maybe point readers towards Talk:Leona Lewis).
 * If I remember correctly, the tag may have been a "drive-by" tagging, without any real explanation as to why it was needed.
 * Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 00:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I did some work on the article after it was tagged but never removed the tag as I wasn't sure of the exact concerns, and wasn't sure if I'd solved it 100%. Do people think the article is (mostly) ok now? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 10:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the only sections that might realistically qualify as "fan cruft" would be the "Early life" and "Personal life" sections, and they both look fine to me. It's possible some one might make an argument that they're "fan crufty" but they're both relatively small sections in the context of the entire article. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 11:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

2007–2009: Spirit and international breakthrough
Leona was named 'Top New Artist' by Billoard magazine in 2008. Both notable and worthy of inclusion. Dynablaster (talk) 10:06, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. Can you reference it? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 11:14, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * NBC The Sydney Morning Herald Reuters and RCA Music Group press release. Dynablaster (talk) 13:21, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've finally got around to adding this. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Nationality
Leona's nationality is constantly being changed (and has been for years) between British and English. Please can we decide on one and stick to it. There is no generally consensus on which should be used, but an essay exists at Nationality of people from the United Kingdom: the section on changing an existing UK nationality is the most relevant here. I would at least like some stability in this one article. Personally I see no problem with saying she's English, because she was born and raised in England, but I'd like to see others' opinions. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Generally people from Scotland or Wales refer to themselves as Scottish or Welsh respectively. I don't see why English people can't be equally proud of their own country.  After all, England is still a country; it's not merely a state within the UK.  For that reason I agree with the above poster that Lewis's nationality should be defined as English, given, as she was, born in England. (CLHScott, 12 September 2009).


 * Thanks. I've added a note to the page now so hopefully anyone wanting to change it back to British will come here first. England is a country, you are correct, and I feel that strengthens the argument. Wales isn't even a country and Tom Jones is described as Welsh. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Ahem! No disagreement over describing her as "English", though. My rule-of-thumb is to use what the subject uses, i.e. if an individual describes themselves as "Cornish" I'd use that, with the exception of individuals strongly associated with the UK (which I don't believe necessarily applies here) such as a Westminster politician or an athlete famous for representing Britain (are there any? Sports seems to always been on an English-basis?) Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 20:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Apologies! I was under the impression England and Scotland are countries, Wales is a principality and Northern Ireland is a... province? Can't remember, but I stand corrected. Not sure how Leona identifies herself but if we ever find out then I'm happy to go along with her! (And I suppose the athlete thing would apply to the Olympics, but not to football, for example.) AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, here are a few general guidelines on the vexed problem of English/British:

1. If nationality is the issue, Leona is very definitely British. I am British, you guys, very probably, are British also. There is no English nationality. The statement in her Wiki entry is of nationality, therefore there should be no doubt about the answer - it applies to us all.

2. Sport, btw, does not really offer much in the way of guidance about the English/British question. Footballers playing for England, for example, are not playing for "England" but for the England Football Association. There are a variety of quite attenuated bases on which a footballer may qualify to play in the England XI. Other major sporting bodies have their own rules. There is no standard practise.

3. I think it is preferable not to get hung up on the very vexed issue of ethnicity vs place of birth vs "chosen identity", which is probably what's been happening on Leona's page. It isn't necessary, anyway, if the question at issue is only nationality.

Hope that helps, and good luck with the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by John Standing (talk • contribs) 17:19, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Taking the above comments into account, the essay that the original poster pointed to states that the lead should be decided upon based on how the artists describes themselves. Is there considerable evidence to suggest Lewis prefers 'English' to 'British'? Until some is discovered, we must go by the only information we have - that she is a British citizen. TheStig  t · c  00:00, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * There's no evidence either way that I can see, but the essay doesn't say if there is no evidence that British has to be used. More often than anything, she is refered to as being from London (with an emphasis on Hackney). It just seems a little unfair that Welsh and Scottish people are usually described as Welsh or Scottish, but English people are described as British because there's no real sense of "English pride" as there is for Wales and Scotland. Anemone  Projectors  01:13, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * By the way, if there's no "evidence" that she's "English", what about all the "English" categories? Do we have to change them to British too? Anemone  Projectors  01:27, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately those categories have all become subject to uniformity, although it would certainly be something I would like to see changed. As for the 'National Pride' thing, firstly I'll just make the point that Wikipedia is not the place to exhibit such ideals, secondly, I am just as much for adjusting 'Welsh' and 'Scottish' openings to 'British' as I am this one. TheStig  t · c  09:20, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

So I've read your comments on talk pages of Susan Boyle, Duffy and Bonnie Tyler, and you say there's no source that these people prefer (Scottish|Welsh) over British, but there's no source to say they prefer British either, and enforcing uniformity works both ways. Escape Orbit makes the best arguments. What makes British the default? There is no default. We know these people are English/Welsh/Scottish as well as British, there are no arguments there, and saying so increases a reader's understanding. Also, WP:UKNATIONALS is only an essay, not a policy as you say, so there is no reason at all to follow it. Anemone Projectors  09:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, the policy on the issue is the following:

3b. Where there is evidence of a person's preference as to how his or her nationality should be indicated, this should be respected and the evidence referred to in a note. 3c. Otherwise, if there is other sufficient, undisputed evidence of a person's nationality, such as birth and long residence in a country, nationality of that country may be stated.

In terms of 3b, yes, we have no source that points in either direction. As such we turn out heads towards 3c, which dictates we use the nationality if there is no verified preference. British it is, until a source is discovered. As you said yourself, the essay is virtually irrelevant. TheStig t · c  20:00, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * A link to the policy you are quoting would be helpful. Anemone  Projectors  21:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Page 15 of Dreams says "Still, I'm definitely British - I was born here and I'm proud of where I grew up and where I come from." She's British :) Anemone  Projectors  15:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, she is British - but she's also English too! For some reason, people on Wikipedia constantly demand to have it in writing that a person is English or has said they wish to be called English before they allow the term to be applied to them, whereas all it takes for the likes of Paolo Nutini or Katie Leung to be called Scottish is the knowledge that that's where they were born and raised. How is this fair? Is there some kind of encyclopedic genocide going on against the English on Wikipedia that I don't know about? Why isn't it enough to use common sense to conclude that, considering Leona was born, raised, and currently living in England, it is appropriate and perfectly justifiable to call her English? I'm also really disappointed that some people here who started off in favour of calling Leona "English" have actually managed to talk themselves out of it. Why on Earth is it so contraversial to call her English in the first place? There are numerous other people on Wikipedia labelled as English who have never made a statement about it, and yes some of them are black/mixed race too. 81.178.255.179 (talk) 23:56, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There's no guideline on Wikipedia regarding nationality of people from within the UK, unless there is a good reason to use one over another. Leona describes herself as British, not English, so we use that as it is her own personal preference. I see no point in bringing this discussion up again as it has been resolved with a quote from Leona's book. Anemone  Projectors  22:34, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Well it has not been resolved to my satisfaction, and her quote would only resolve the matter completely if she had said "Never, under any circumstances, call me English - only ever call me British"; but we all know how often people from England use both terms interchangeably, so I wouldn't assume she was stating her "preference". But since she's unlikely to ever face the question "Which is it, Leona - English or British?" I doubt we'll ever know what her true preference is. Therefore, it's up to us to make a judicious decision, and I still assert that using the terms English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish is much more accurate and informative than the umbrella term British, but no one else cares so I'll stop caring too. 81.178.245.48 (talk) 03:14, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There's no English nationality though. She has stated that she considers herself British, so we use that. We can say she was born in England, though. Anemone  Projectors  12:16, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps "English" is no longer an official nationality, but in that case neither is "Scottish", "Welsh", etc, yet those terms still get used everywhere on Wikipedia. There seems to be an annoying double standard on this issue on Wikipedia. 81.178.250.60 (talk) 14:28, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I strongly agree with the IP above. There certainly is a remarkable double standard on wikipedia when it comes to the English compared with our Celtic neighbours. Also a double standard with the people so determined to change everything to British (only ever English people articles).--English Bobby (talk) 23:38, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * There may be a double standard but that's not for discussion on this page. Anemone  Projectors  00:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

There is no need to change Lewis's nationality to British. It was correctly and satisfactorily stated as English for long enough; furthermore English is very much a nationality, England being a country. Whilst British is also a valid concept, so is 'European' and I don't imagine it would make much sense to refer to Lewis as "a European R&B singer..." etc. Please leave the nationality as English for the sake of common sense, if nothing else. CLHScott, 2 August.


 * Please don't just change the article because you think you're right, please discuss changes to her nationality before making them, so consensus can be reached. I don't know why you're mentioning European, that argument makes absolutely no sense. Nobody is suggesting we refer to her as European. Technically English is not a nationality, so you're wrong there, but there is no consensus on Wikipedia on what to use. The reason we say British in this article is because Leona describes herself as British. Anemone  Projectors  12:03, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Stop the vandalism: this site correctly indicated that Leona's nationality was English for over a year; there is no need to change it to fit your personal agenda. Again, as other people have indicated, if Leona had been born in Scotland she would identify herself as Scottish; as it is she was born in England.  Why would you try to deny that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.222.135 (talk) 21:25, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Please do not accuse editors of vandalism as nobody has vandalised the article. You can't say how she would identify if she was from Scotland because she's not and she never will be. She doesn't identify as English now, so your argument is flawed. If she identified as English, we'd say so, but she doesn't, she identifies as British. Anemone  Projectors  22:42, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

As has been pointed out numerous times: Lewis was born in England making her English. In an interview with Popsugar in 2008, referring to her breakthrough in the USA, she even referred to the "English invasion". This is clearly a reference to herself and it's notable that she didn't describe the invasion as "British". Furthermore, and those two very valid points notwithstanding, her nationality was correctly stated as English on Wikipedia for long enough without anyone feeling the need to erroneously changing it so I feel there is no need to do so now. 1. Leona referred to herself as English. 2. She was born in England. 3. Other English people are correctly identified on Wikipedia as English (Alexandra Burke, Charles Dickens, Stella McCartney, Pixie Lott, Sophie Ellis-Bextor, etc). Please do not continue to make the mistake of changing Leona Lewis's nationality to British. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.120.8 (talk) 12:31, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * She said "English invasion" not "I am English". In Dreams, she states that she identifies as British. It did say English for a long time, but she has since released a book in which she indentifies as British. She was born in England, yes, and we say she was born in England. However, this does not mean "British" is in correct. She is still British. And just because other articles say one thing, doesn't mean this one should. I am going to start giving warnings to people who change the article instead of waiting for everyone to reach consensus. Anemone  Projectors  13:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

When she referred to the English invasion it was in direct answer to the question, "How do you feel about breaking through in America?" - so she was clearly talking about herself. Her book notwithstanding, she did refer to herself as English first of all, by your own admission, so it would be sensible to maintain the accuracy and unbiased view that she is English. You can still have your reference to 'British' further on in the paragraph when it talks of Leona winning the British series X-Factor, etc, but please don't continue to change what is blindingly obvious and correct.


 * I did not say she referred to herself as English. Please stop edit warring! I have semi-protected the page as you are ignoring warnings. And please do not send personal attacks via my personal email, thanks. Do it again and I shall block you from editing Wikipedia. Anemone  Projectors  14:41, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I have started a request for comment to get further input from previously uninvolved editors. Anemone  Projectors  14:48, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Attack
Media sources are naming the man as "Peter Kowalczyk", yet wikipedia editors have written Peter Kopwalczyk. There seems to be some mistake here. --Patyo1994 (talk) 15:42, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The BBC News and Digital Spy sources we've used say Peter Kopwalczyk, but I did a google search for Kopwalczyk -Leona and Kowalczyk -Leona and Kowalczyk had millions whereas Kopwalczyk had 10, which makes me think that's not a name at all. Kowalczyk is a very common Polish name. So yeah, we need to change it. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:51, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Associated acts
I've seen a list of "Associated Acts" on most singer's pages (in their description) but everytime I add one to Leona's page they are deleted. They weren't acts that were only mildly associated with Leona either, but a revised list should be Ryan Tedder (wrote & produced so many songs for her and a duet on her new album), Justin Timberlake (Don't Let Me Down), Ne-Yo (produced a few songs) and maybe some others? For some reason, the article is now semi-protected so if somebody else could add it... I know it isn't very important or necessary but it's just something that's been annoying me for a while. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.49.53 (talk) 14:02, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Producers are not musical acts. This is for other musical artists that have collaborated on multiple occasions, or on an album, or toured with as a single collaboration act playing together. There are no acts that Leona is associated with in those ways. A collaboration does not include producer/artist collaborations. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 14:20, 23 October 2009 (UTC)


 * But Ryan Tedder, or more specifically OneRepublic, do collaborate with her (vocally) on Echo on the track Lost then Found

Leona Lewis' tattoo is in 'Arabic' not Hebrew
Leona lewis Tattoo is in 'Arabic' not hebrew —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninja1122 (talk • contribs) 19:44, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * In her own words: "It's incredibly private and something that we both had done. It's Hebrew letters and I'm thrilled with it." AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Voice
Shouldn't there be a section on her voice? Mariah/Whitney/Celine etc all have one, and as it's mentioned in practically every review, it's surely a huge part of her success as an artist. As an example, a reviewer (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/singlesreviews/a184399/leona-lewis-happy.html) calls her "possibly the best singer in world", to paraphrase. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.238.238 (talk) 18:29, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd love there to be a section on her voice but so far nobody has commented on her voice type or vocal range. Talking about a reviewer's opinion of her voice isn't really what we want. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK, thanks anyway. Perhaps it could be added into her introductory paragraph "known for her powerful voice, and large vocal range", or something similar? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.238.238 (talk) 19:18, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I just added her voice type to the infobox and then discovered that the voice type field had been removed from the template following a discussion. If we do write a section on her voice, the source is here.


 * Someone has now added a section for this but two of the four sources are from people doing their own reviews of her albums on iTunes and Amazon, so they're not reliable. The others are from reviews and I'm not really sure they should be included either as they're just about people's opinions of her voice. What do others think? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:13, 17 November 2009

The voice section is quite small at the moment. I think either more information should be added or it should be deleted all together. Otherwise it looks pointless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.150.102 (talk • contribs)
 * No, there's no reason to delete it because the information is relevant and there's nothing to expand it with. Anemone  Projectors  17:45, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Leona Lewis and Vivienne Westwood
This article has some good information on Lewis's tie-in with designer Vivienne Westwood for her upcoming dates and tour.86.152.241.34 (talk) 16:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Final Fantasy XIII
The fact that on november it was announced that the song "My Hands" from her upcoming album is to be the western world's theme song for Final Fantasy XIII set for release in March next year should be mentioned to be honest :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ianmann2 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It is, in the section about Echo. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:52, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Avatar end credit song
This is big news - she's going to sing the end credit song for James Cameron's Avatar (references, Atlantic Records press release). ""AVATAR: MUSIC FROM THE MOTION PICTURE" will be highlighted by the film's end title song, "I See You," performed by multiple Grammy® Award-nominated singer Leona Lewis, and produced by James Horner and Simon Franglen, the team behind "Titanic's" blockbuster theme song, "My Heart Will Go On." A companion video -- directed by Jake Nava (Beyoncé, Britney Spears, Shakira) -- is currently in production." 86.159.192.98 (talk) 16:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Musical style?
So I wanted to to add a section that describes different genres Leona has covered in her music, however since Leona only has two albums do any of you think it would be wise to have one in the main article or just the two album articles? Greene Leigh Online (talk) 10:25, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't see the point in that to be honest. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 16:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Avatar 'I See You' video
This clip has Leona and Jake Nava the video director talking about the upcoming music video for Avatar's "I See You".86.152.23.253 (talk) 12:10, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

She's Italian-Irish
93.32.248.176 (talk) 11:55, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That link doesn't work; where is the evidence of her having either Italian or Irish ancestry? Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 22:10, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Leona on Twitter
She's just joined - can we add her account to the external links? Loads of other people's Wiki pages have their twitter account. There's also this which suggests it's a genuine account. Update - it's obn her official website and Perez Hilton told her to join - he's talking about it on his site, so it is a genuine Twitter account.86.159.193.97 (talk) 16:51, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes it's genuine, it was confirmed on her official website. Yes I think it can be added as an EL as well. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:06, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Her Twitter site has been removed by a user who cited the LINKSTOAVOID but the very first line of the guidelines says in big bold letters "Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject, one should avoid ...". This twitter is an official site of Leona's, so can someone put it back in please? 86.140.128.200 (talk) 18:01, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, having read WP:ELOFFICIAL I think I agree. I'll revert the edit. Though she's just going on about horses at the moment so... AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:28, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Leona in gun siege
I heard that Leona was in a gun siege in LA, do we include it? 86.177.70.131 (talk) 20:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If you can find a reference to support it then yes. Minima  c  94 ( talk ) 20:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
 * She was sort of caught up in the tail-end of a gun siege but she was uninvolved, she was just there at the time. I don't think this needs to be included. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:31, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Add to discography
Leona's cd "Best Kept Secret" (2005 UEG Music, 2009 re-release) needs to be added to the discography! 23:40, 28 January 2010 (UTC)mcgreel —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcgreel (talk • contribs)
 * It's an unofficial release. The discography is for official releases only. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 23:51, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * AP is correct. BKS does not meet requirements. Wikispan (talk) 00:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * "Best Kept Secret" is distributed by Caroline Distribution under the label 4th Sun Entertainment. It's my understanding that this album was targeted to the Japanese audience. However, the tracks are readily available worldwide in mp3 download and audio CD formats. I'm trying to understand why Caroline Distribution is credible enough to be included in the Wikipedia pages but is not credible enough to include in the discography of an artist they've produced through a subsidiary label. By unofficial/official release do you mean from her current label? Could someone please clarify this for me? Thanks. KTMasters (talk) 04:10, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Leona's Haiti auction on eBay
Leona is auctioning an afternoon with her for Oxfam's Haiti appeal, on eBay. Is it possible to mention this in the article? Refs and ; she's also put a video up on Youtube about it. The auction ends on 1 March 2010. 82.32.238.139 (talk) 17:59, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Voice Profile
Voice Type: Soprano Highest Note: F#6 Lowest Note: D3 Range: D3-F#6 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.244.152.169 (talk) 06:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Original research (someone's YouTube video isn't a reliable source). anemoneprojectors   talk  11:29, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Leona Lewis is one of the mos famour people that are still alive in the music industry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.206.224.63 (talk) 09:55, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

25
It's her Birthday today. Happy Birthday Leona. But, it still states she is 24, when she is 25. 86.180.209.230 (talk) 09:15, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Should be ok now. anemoneprojectors   talk  11:58, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

3rd Album
In a T4 interview she said that after her tour she will be doing another album. Could someone put that in? 90.202.63.145 (talk) 13:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Vocal Ability
Lewis, a coloratura soprano with a 4 octave vocal range Lewis's mezzo-soprano range allows her to take melodies from luxurious low notes to high-flying falsetto, gliding with elegant power and impressive control through all kinds of fluctuations and modulations. Music Critic Stephen Erlewine of Allmusic praises Lewis's vocal range and her ability to hit those big notes but make it seem easy, never straining her voice and building nicely to the climax. Unlike most divas, there is a human quality to Lewis's voice, as she's singing to the song, not singing to her voice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hero5354 (talk • contribs) 12:35, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

2.5 octaves?
An average person can achieve 3 octaves with training, even if they can't sing very well. User Lully keeps adding a bizarre source (possibly a misprint) that says Leona has 2.5 octaves (well below what an average person on the street can achieve). People that describe Leona's vocal range typically vary between 3.5 and 4 octaves. I am unable to find a professional review of Leona's ability, backed by a second professional opinion. Until such time, we should not reply on the opinion of a single person. Wikispan (talk) 18:28, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Anemone  Projectors  18:48, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The article said that human voice is "very limited", and Jant Edwards states we can achieve 3 octaves only with "VERY GOOD GUIDANCE OF AN EXPERT". A amateur in singing are only 1.5 octaves, with much training he have 2 octaves. The most peoples are only 2 octaves.


 * Soprano: C4 – C6
 * Mezzo-soprano: A3 – A5
 * Contralto: F3 – F5
 * Tenor: C3 – C5
 * Baritone: F2 – F4
 * Bass / Basso: E2 – E4

The people who claim she have 3.5 are just her fan with videos on You Tube and the claim of 4 octaves are just in this page, they're just original research, this is claim of fan, not of professional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.90.17.6 (talk) 06:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is the full quote from Leona's former vocal coach Janet Edwards: "What we do know is most people are capable of three octaves. The average person could sing within this range with very good guidance from an expert." That is unambiguous. Most people can achieve 3 octaves with professional training (they might sound horrible but most people are born with this ability). Leona received professional training from a young age. Simply examine her bio. Even the most disparaging video on YouTube places her range above 3 octaves. Leona is not being added to this, or any list, until we have more than one reliable source that says exactly the same thing. It would be nice if we could hear from an expert who is familiar with Leona's voice, instead of a foreign language reference from someone who has only listened to a single CD. Wikispan (talk) 09:33, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * No reason to reverted? What sources said she have more than 2.5 octaves? You Tube is absolutely not a source and Janet Edwards said she have a range from a3 to f6 in the book ''La MALIBRAN". She said the average person could need to "VERY GOOD guidance of an expert" for have 3 octaves. You Tube is absolutely not a reliable source! Videos of fans are not a source. They're original reasearch. And even if very much people would have three octaves, it does not mean that Lewis has a widdest range. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.125.172.63 (talk) 10:17, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not proposing we use YouTube as a source; I was merely responding to your assertion that "The [only] people who claim she have 3.5 are just her fan with videos on YouTube". Thus you were the first person to adduce YT in this dispute. You have kindly been asked not to add a foreign language source of a dubious nature to articles Leona Lewis, Vocal range and Singing. Two separate editors have reverted you on this point. I am once again inviting you to self-revert across all pages. Wikispan (talk) 10:28, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * In addition, user Lully 2010 has been asked, politely, to reproduce text from a disputed source. This request has gone ignored. Wikispan (talk) 11:09, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Leona's vocal range is D3-F#6. I know because i have studied her voice and know it inside out. [Http://www.Youtube.Com/watch?V=2csqcoou5r8] that link proves it. By having "2.5 octaves" down for her you are providing false information to wikipedia viewers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calvin999 (talk • contribs)


 * I've now fully protected the page due to the content dispute. Please try to reach consensus before requesting further edits. Anemone  Projectors  16:38, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Unexplained Page Protection
I note that this entry is semi-protected, but there is no explanatory banner on the entry or talk page. Could someone who is familiar with the reason for the page protection please insert a banner explaining the reason for the protection? Savlonn (talk) 16:56, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The page was protected on 10 December 2009 by User:Enigmaman because of excessive violations of the biographies of living persons policy. Protection ends on 10 June 2010. However, I looked at the page history and it was vandalism being added by a single user. I don't think that was worthy of protection for six months. Obviously, you can edit the page, and when you attempt to do so, the reason for protection is given. Anemone  Projectors  17:48, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Born in Hackney not Islington
Wasn't Leona born in Stamford Hill in Hackney? It says she was born in Islington, but even the sources say she's from Hackney not Islington. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.1.138 (talk) 12:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The reference given says "Born in Islington, Leona grew up with dad, Joe, 46, a youth offending officer and mum, Marie, 42, a social worker." Additionally this search of births says she was born in Islington. She's known for being a "Hackney girl" but that's where she was brought up, hence the Guardian reference saying "Lewis was raised in Hackney". Anemone  Projectors  15:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Pdurie, 4 June 2010
Please include the total albums sales in the introduction. She has sold a over 8.5 million albums. This comes from the two sales figures of each of her two albums, Spirit and Echo

Pdurie (talk) 21:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Please provide a source. Adding up two different sources of album sales is WP:SYNTH and unacceptable, you need a source stating the total numbers. Spigot Map  21:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Vocal range (again)
Let us start afresh. User Lully 2010 wishes to add the following information to this article:

According to baritone and singing teacher in the Conservatoire de Paris Malcolm Walker and Lewis's vocal coach Janet Edwards, Lewis's vocal range is two octaves and a fifth, from low a to high f (a3 - f6). She can belt to treble f (f5), and hit treble g sharp (g♯5) in mixed voice.

Without ever meeting Leona Lewis, how can Malcolm Walker possibly know her full range? It is more plausible he was offering a tentative opinion after listening to one or two recordings, while identifying some of the notes he had heard in those specific recordings. I challenged the accuracy of this source and, in accordance with Wikipedia rules, have asked the aforementioned user to reproduce verbatim text from Malcolm Walker. (diff) This request has been ignored.

I mentioned Janet Edwards, Leona's former vocal coach, for the first time today, as someone who has worked with Lewis and, consequently, someone with greater knowledge of her voice. No sooner had I done so, Lully 2010 bizarrely adds Edwards' name in support of Walker, suggesting she has stated precisely the same thing ("Lewis's vocal range is two octaves and a fifth").

The sourcing―which Lully 2010 refuses to produce―is plainly dubious. But not content with adding it on this page, he has also added the same sources to Singing and Vocal range, without signing his name. Wikispan (talk) 17:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, the sources are dubious. Lully 2010 should produce the exact text. I totally agree with you on this. If this continues to be added after the protection is lifted, Lully 2010 will unfortunately find him/herself blocked from ediiting. Anemone  Projectors  18:25, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I suspect 'Lully 2010' (plus the anon IPs) is user F6Coloratura80. He can't or won't produce text from either source but insists the information stay on articles Singing and Vocal range. The same user has added a source on Mariah Carey saying she sings like a frog. This editor is clearly on a mission to belittle singers he does not like. Wikispan (talk) 18:31, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * So we have a possible sockpuppet case? That's really not clever because it means an indef block on all accounts. I will look into it and start a sockpuppetry case. Anemone  Projectors  19:00, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Confirmation that our friend is a sock. Wikispan (talk) 13:00, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Even if we discover a source that says Leona has an 8 octave range the information should be excluded unless (a) that person is familiar with Leona's voice and (b) it is backed up by other expert sources that say the same thing. It is best practice to cite more than one knowledgable source that agrees on a persons vocal range. Wikispan (talk) 18:44, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Leona Lewis is a soprano. Base from the different qualities used to evaluate a voice and classify the voice to a specific voice type, Leona Lewis voice falls in the soprano type. Her voice range falls between D3 to F#6(in her version of Loving You), a typical soprano would have a voice range of C4-C6. With regards to vocal weight, her voice is very light which is very evident in most of her songs. You may reference the lightness of her voice in her version of Chiquitita back on her X-Factor days. Her vocal tessitura is also very high. She even mentioned that she finds ease in singing the higher part of her range which as I may say is extremely flutey. Her vocal timbre is also the soprano type. A good example of which can be heard from song "Can't Breathe" in her album Echo. Her vocal registration and vocal transition points are also very light and high.Classifying her as a mezzo-soprano is very inappropriate. Celine Dion is a soprano, but Leona Lewis' voice is much lighter,higher,and more flutey than Celine's. Let us not just classify singers based on comments we see online but through careful analysis of their voice.The only thing I'm missing to prove this is a citation from a renowned voice expert. But nevertheless just listening at her proves all the fact I've shared.

Al delos Reyes,Sopranist 121.97.58.80 (talk) 23:01, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that. Anemone  Projectors  23:42, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I think the article regarding her voice needs to be edited. It may mislead readers regarding the truth about her voice. The citation placed in the article that identified her as a mezzo only speaks of the vocal range( which is quite inaccurate since there is recorded media that leona's voice reaches beyond the mezzo range, even hitting an F#6 (Loving You), a note that is unusual even for sopranos, singing it effortlessly). Again I'd also like to stress that aside from vocal range,leona's voice also met all qualification for her voice to be classified as soprano.This is evident in most of her songs like Bleeding Love, Yesterday and Run from her album "Spirit" and even on live performances of Better in Time. In her second album "Echo" she further proves this truth about her voice in songs like Happy, Can't Breathe and You Don't Care. She doesn't only possess the range,sound and lightness of a soprano she can even do vocal acrobatics with her voice higher and easier than what Christina Aguilera,a soprano, can do. And all of it done effortlessly.

"Stephen Erlewine of Allmusic said "Lewis can hit those big notes but make it seem easy, never straining her voice and building nicely to the climax. Unlike most divas, there is a human quality to her voice, as she's singing to the song, not singing to her voice." This was a section of the article regarding Leona Lewis' album Spirit. Stephen Erlewine's words imply that Leona can easily sing high notes without straining herself.

Al delos Reyes,Sopranist 121.97.58.80 (talk) 03:13, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

David Guetta on 3rd album
I added a line saying that Guetta and Lewis have been in talks of recording with eachother for Leona's 3rd album, which Guetta said himself (the same reference included JR Rotem and Ne-Yo were working with her as well) and i added a perfectly valid reference/source, and i see it has been removed. Someone explain why...calvin999 11:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calvin999 (talk • contribs)
 * The source was a blog, which is not a reliable source. Earlier this month it was reported that Guetta was "desperate" to work with Leona, but nothing was confirmed that they were in talks. Anemone  Projectors  11:26, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Even though there is a quote from him? calvin999 13:26, 23 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calvin999 (talk • contribs)
 * Is it mentioned on other sources? I think we should wait for confirmation that they are definitely working together rather than "in talks". Anemone  Projectors  13:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * All of the sources have the same quote and say basically the same thing.calvin999 13:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The only sources I can find are either copies of the same source you gave or are reporting the original story, that Guetta wants to work with Leona but they are not in talks. As I said, I think we should wait for something to be confirmed beyond just talks. Anemone  Projectors  14:16, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * http://thatgrapejuice.net/2010/07/leona-lewis-hits-studio-dallas-austin/? or is this defined as a blog?calvin999 14:35, 23 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calvin999 (talk • contribs)
 * Hmm it's based on Austin saying he's in the studio with Leona on twitter. Twitter on its own isn't a reliable source. I'm not sure if That Grape Juice is a reliable source. I need someone else to comment, cos I might be totally wrong. Anemone  Projectors  15:21, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * i can't believe Twitter isn't a reliable source because especially if it is a verified account, it's first hand information from the person in question himself. calvin999 15:31, 23 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calvin999 (talk • contribs)
 * Actually I think in this case, Twitter would be acceptable (reading WP:TWITTER). I think the That Grape Juice source is therefore ok to confirm that Austin and Lewis have worked in the studio together, as it also links to the tweet. Anemone  Projectors  15:39, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So i can write that Dallas Austin is included without it being removed? calvin999 15:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calvin999 (talk • contribs)
 * Yeah I'll let you :-) Anemone  Projectors  16:24, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * haha thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calvin999 (talk • contribs) 18:12, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Echo Deluxe Edition release for this December/Labyrinth DVD Release/Summer 2011 3rd Album
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/07/25/bleeding-lovelorn-115875-22438338/ this source says that Leona is working with Dallas Austin on new tracks to put on a Deluxe Edition of Echo to coincide with The Labyrinth Tour DVD in December and that a third album will be released in Summer 2011 so Leona can perform on X Factor USA next Autumn. Could any of this be included? calvin999 13:23, 25 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calvin999 (talk • contribs)
 * I would wait for a more official confirmation on that, because we know she's working on a third album so a re-release of Echo seems unlikely right now. Anemone  Projectors  15:06, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Religion
What is Leona's religion? Christian I'm guessing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.9.128 (talk) 10:49, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think she has ever commented on her religion or religous beliefs, if she has any. Anemone  Projectors  11:07, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Examine the accompanying booklet (acknowledgements) to her album Spirit. Who does Leona say 'thank you' to before anyone else? Wikispan (talk) 12:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't, the CD is at my dad's. Tell me. Is it God? She thanks God first in Dreams... So she believes in God, it doesn't make her a Christian. It just means she believes in God. I don't think this is worthy of inclusion in the article. Anemone  Projectors  12:50, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * True. Wikispan (talk) 14:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Request for Comment: Leona Lewis's nationality
Should Leona Lewis's nationality in the opening paragraph be "British" or "English"? Previous discussion here. Anemone Projectors  14:46, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Q: On what page of her book, Dreams, does Leona Lewis self-identify as being British -- what exactly does she say on the topic? This might prove to be important. Wikispan (talk) 18:32, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * On page 15 she writes "I'm a real mix myself, too. My mum's got Welsh, Italian and Irish blood in her; I have roots in Guyana through my dad; and I even have Chinese heritage on my grandfather's side. I feel fortunate to have a connection with no many nationalities, because it means I can identify with a lot of different places and people. Still, I'm definitely British – I was born here and I'm proud of where I grew up and where I came from." Anemone  Projectors  19:53, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * British If she is a British national then she is British. English is not a nationality. Martin Hogbin (talk) 16:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * British is how she self-identifies. Wikispan (talk) 16:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * RFC Comment: I agree that "British" is preferable, for the reasons stated. Figureofnine (talk) 14:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * British or "Multiracial British". Not English. The Rhymesmith (talk) 13:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * English as she was born in London, England you can only be English by birth and as has been said English is not nationality but it is still a correct description of Lewis. MilborneOne (talk) 20:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


 * So is the consensus to use British? Anemone  Projectors  16:10, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I would say Yes. Wikispan (talk) 16:30, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Voice 2
I just realised that her Voice profile has been changed again, saying that her vocal range extends from G3 to F#6, but she has gone lower than G3 in some of her studio recorded songs and she have performed notes lower than G3 live as well. Her lowest note should be D3 sang in the song "The best you never had". Could we please change it. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hero5354 (talk • contribs) 13:07, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * It irritates me so much that it says G3 (Just like it says Celine Dion has 5 Octaves on her wiki page when she has 3.3, but we won't go there now...) I have studied her voice and know it very well, i wouldn't say i was an "expert" but i know a lot about her voice. She has done a D3 in The Best You Never Had, Eb3 in Naked and an E3 in The Best You Never Had and Stop Crying Your Heart Out. Just because a source it provided, it doesn't mean it is right. I know i am right. calvin999 19:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Only if we have a reliable source that isn't just original research. Anemone  Projectors  19:34, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * See also Verifiability, not truth. Anemone  Projectors  19:35, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above link is only an essay. I am disappointed at the title because it clearly gives the wrong message.  The message should be "verifiability but not to be included if you believe the information is intentionally false". Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 15:00, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the information we have is from a reliable source, and everything else is just original research. Sorry thought you were talking about her voice type not her vocal range. We don't even have a reliable source for her range and the information has been removed. Anemone  Projectors  18:49, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Mmmm.... Calvin999, it's you who makes vocal range video, but you are not a professional you're just a fan, and Hero5354 you're just a fan, you grant your trust on Calvin999's video. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.90.17.7 (talk) 19:55, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Let us try again to reach agreement on this issue. I don't feel we should be adding information on Leona's vocal range until we have 2 or perhaps 3 sources all saying precisely the same thing. User F6Coloratura80 insists on pushing a French source against the wishes of 4 separate editors. 1) The translation is suspect. 2) The author cannot profess to know Leona's full range, not having met her, and not having asked her to open up. 3) Editors more familiar with her range have said the information is incorrect (though this final point is OR and not something we should be basing our decision on). I shall remove the contentious information until consensus is reached. Wikispan (talk) 20:27, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm in agreement there. Anemone  Projectors  21:06, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

new category?
It is good news that Leona was not permanently injured when the assailant punched her.

Should a new category get started, possibly "Entertainers who have been attacked"?

Tia Tequila, Leona Lewis, John Lennon are only a few who might qualify. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 21:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a form of overcategorisation to me. Anemone  Projectors  21:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


 * That's fine, I love Leona Lewis and her music but don't have much opinion for categories. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 22:01, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Why does Wikipedia list incorrect information?
... about Leona's voice. She's a soprano (obviously - look at the ease she hits Soprano C on her song Happy, and its live performances), for one thing. That source is clearly unreliable. Also, Céline Dion has nowhere near five octaves... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.24.189 (talk) 01:19, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * See the current discussion. Wikipedia is based on verifiable information from reliable sources. If you have a better source that confirms what you say, then please add it. Anemone  Projectors  01:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, that discussion is about her range, not her voice type. My mistake. But the source we have is still a reliable one. Anemone  Projectors  18:55, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Regardless of its alleged reliability, the information is, frankly, false. Do Wikipedia's editors really condone an incorrect statement, just because a Telegraph journalist said so?
 * At least this journalist is more reliable than you. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 20:25, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Anyone who knows anything about voices will tell you she's a Soprano. And if you knew anything, you'd agree. Sorry to be rude, but you "started it." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.58.162 (talk) 21:44, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * So we have an IP music teacher v. a journalist that maybe need Music classes. I prefer the second. Get a source. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 21:50, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Add to the mix one self-important Wiki-lawyer, and you've got a perfect dish! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.62.211 (talk) 12:29, 19 August 2010 (UTC)