Talk:Leona Lewis/Archive 4

Ryan Tedder
Leona just tweeted "Went to Frankfurt to record with Ryan Tedder! Was so fun really excited! X" Add to the third album section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omnisci88 (talk • contribs) 14:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If twitter is the only sourcce, no. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 15:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It's her verified account - unless she's lying it couldn't be any more reliable could it? But fine, there will most likely be an article confirming it by tomorrow. Omnisci88 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually her account isn't verified. But what Tbhotch said. Anemone  Projectors  18:04, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * My mistake, but it's obviously her account (endless proverbs etc).Omnisci88 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

See the "Leona on Twitter" section above - it is her account. 86.133.211.18 (talk) 16:31, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes and Twitter is not a source, you know how easy it can be hacked an/or a member of Syco, J or anyone else has access to it. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 00:40, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Other Echo-era recorded music
Noticed that you've included both the Avatar theme song and the Biagio Antonacci duet in the Echo-era. Is there any reason why her duet with Jennifer Hudson "Love Is Your Color" which appears on the end credits of the film Sex and the City II (and also on its OST), and her recording of "I Know Who I Am" which appears on the end credits of the film "For Colored Girls" (and its associated soundtrack) aren't included? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rushian77 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. The reason is that nobody has added them. Feel free. Anemone  Projectors  15:56, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Perfume
I only just found out that Leona actually did release a perfume, called Leona Lewis by LR. But I can't find a reliable source, all we have is that she was planning to release one. First I heard that she actually had was in this week's heat magazine, it just says "She has a perfume, too - Leona Lewis by LR." Does anyone know of a reliable source? Anemone Projectors  19:44, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

AFD
Best Kept Secret (Leona Lewis Album) is a re-creation of a deleted article. Wikispan (talk) 20:02, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Deleted. Anemone  Projectors  22:48, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Fancruft part 2
The fancruft template has been readded - I'm going to ask what people think is the problem as the article has previously udergone trimming for this kind of information. Anemone Projectors  14:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see the need for the template. After the tatoo stuff and a few other insignificant items were removed from the personal life section, that section is now reasonable. The rest of the article is mostly important career information. Cresix (talk) 18:17, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. I think the article could be copyedited and cleaned up but it's not fancruft. Anemone  Projectors  20:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

One IP removed the template yesterday, another added it today. Still no explanation of what they think the problem is. Anemone Projectors  17:32, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This most recent tagging seems very dubious to me: the IP who put it in has added it before and you reverted it at the time. In the addition, the IP has also vandalized the article several times. The article seems fine, and no explanation has been provided (the second time for this IP), so I won't object to the removal of the tag. Acalamari (from Bellatrix Kerrigan) 20:41, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, this article is in much better shape than most others. On the other hand, I'm not sure we need to list recording locations, bonus tracks, and other minor details. Sometimes less is more. Wikispan (talk) 10:06, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Something I've noticed is the sheer amount of intricate details. The assault is the best example of this, as it is written from an emotionally-driven point of view. The contributor (fan) was clearly very upset themselves by what had happen and wants everyone else to feel the same way. There are a number of issues with this section - We don't need to know about the appearances on the One Show and the two-day promotional tour to Germany that were cancelled (please feel sorry for Lewis), nor the statement she released (which itself seems cherry-picked to be as emotional as possible). Also, we don't need to state that Kowalczyk may have been jealous of Lewis because of his supposed rejection from X-Factor (please feel sorry for Lewis). Why is there a sentence about her seeing a private doctor (please feel sorry for Lewis)?! Why do we need to know that Kowalczyk was laughing after the incident (please feel sorry for Lewis)? In fact, is this section needed at all? It has had no impact on Lewis' career, and if there is no discussion of her breakup with her long-term boyfriend, why do we need to asked to feel sorry for her after being punched. It's not a nice thing to happen to anyone, but celebrities are stalked, threatened and assaulted all the time. So, unless this section can be rewritten to make it more relevant, balanced and without the unnecessary emotion, it should probably just go. 160.83.42.131 (talk) 11:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll have a go at cutting that down per your comments. I do agree that there are some minor details about production of her albums that could be removed as well. – Anemone Projectors – 11:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

How about we get rid of this from the lede:

"Lewis's debut single "A Moment Like This" became the fastest selling UK single after being downloaded over 50,000 times within thirty minutes of its release. In November 2008 she set a record in the UK for the fastest selling download-only release with her cover version of the Snow Patrol song "Run" which sold 69,244 copies in two days."

This record is broken frequently and it hardly seems notable anymore. Wikispan (talk) 13:06, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I know "fastest selling download-only release" has probably been broken, but has "downloaded over 50,000 times within thirty minutes of its release" been broken? I think the fact that she set a record should be mentioned though, regardless that such a record has been broken, we can just say how long she held the record for. – Anemone Projectors – 14:59, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Harrods of London
The article presently says:

''In October 2008, The Times reported that Lewis had turned down a $1 million deal with Mohamed Al Fayed to open a Harrods sale. Lewis commented in the press that she turned down the deal on the grounds that Harrods is the only UK department store which continues to stock clothing made from animal fur.''

In Leona's book Dreams she comments specifically:

It wasn't a million pounds that I was offered, as the papers reported, but even if it had been, I still would have turned it down."''

Currency might account for the difference, but I'm wondering if we should include Leona's most recent comment as a footnote, in any case? Wikispan (talk) 14:35, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Go ahead. – Anemone Projectors – 18:16, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

David Guetta
David Guetta said on BBC radio the other day that he has NOT done a song with Leona, i can't find a source on the net though calvin999 (talk) 13:31, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I heard that. We should just remove it. – Anemone Projectors – 13:35, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone has changed it, but it now says (something like) "Reported Leona did a song with Guetta, but he later confirmed this is false". I think it's irrelevant now, there is no point in mentioning Guetta. It would be different if they had, but it didn't make the album, but they haven't at all. calvin999 (talk) 23:58, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Collide controversy
I'm not sure we should try to summarise the matter until we have a more complete picture of what transpired. What do others think? Wikispan (talk) 18:07, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know but this article has too much information about the single, its video, etc. It should be placed in an article about the song. Until there is such an article, the information does not need to be here. – Anemone Projectors – 13:44, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I came here wanting to read more on this subject. Seeing how there is currently no article on the song itself, here is the only place it can go. It makes no mention of the high court proceedings/injunction . The current mention is very blasé, consisting only of the accusation and a rebuttal. Яehevkor ✉  12:44, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

New picture
She really needs a new picture. She has a new hair style and she use different make up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.252.210.118 (talk) 17:29, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If you can take a picture of her and release it under a free license it will be changed. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  18:47, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

I did never say that I was going to add a new picture off her. I did just come with an idea. Ok? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.252.210.118 (talk) 21:08, 22 September 2011 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter how old the photo is, as long as it's one of Leona Lewis, and is freely licenced. – Anemone Projectors – 13:19, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

She's 27 today
She's 27 today and it says she's still 26. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.114.32 (talk) 08:49, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It says she is 27. Perhaps you were looking at a cached version of the page. – Anemone Projectors – 13:31, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Says 26 to me, still. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.31.114.32 (talk) 19:13, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Try purging the page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leona_Lewis&action=purge Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  19:18, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Missing album EP: Hurt
Please update this: Albums 2007: Spirit 2009: Echo 2012: Glassheart

to: Albums 2007: Spirit 2009: Echo 2011: EP: Hurt 2012: Glassheart — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.197.226.115 (talk) 16:46, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


 * ❌ Studio albums only. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  20:06, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Leona Lewis
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Leona Lewis's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "seventeen": From List of songs recorded by Leona Lewis:  From Echo (Leona Lewis album):  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 19:36, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Personal life
I no longer see the value in identifying Leona's ex-boyfriend. He is not a notable figure and a reader gains nothing by learning about his former and present job. This information is no longer relevant. Wikispan (talk) 21:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree. He's very well known now through Leona and people would expect to see him mentioned. Anemone  Projectors  21:45, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Please reconsider. Lou Al-Chamaa is not notable enough to have his own Wikipedia article. The miniscule notability he once enjoyed stemmed entirely from his association with Leona. Unfortunately, that relationship has now ended. It is not our job to maintain a list of ex-boyfriends. If Al-Chamaa was a famous individual (in his own right) then perhaps their early relationship would be worth a single line of text. However, Al-Chamaa is only "well known" among the most enthusiastic fans of Leona. That is not enough. Wikispan (talk) 17:04, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No he doesn't have his own article but the relationship was a notable part of Leona Lewis's personal life. Anemone  Projectors  19:05, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No more so than any other person she may befriend, today or in the future. What is personal to Leona is not necessarily our business. BLP says: "Biographies of living persons must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy." What do we gain by namedropping ex-boyfriends? Unless a person and/or prior relationship is highly notable, we should limit ourselves to describing her current status. Wikispan (talk) 19:23, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What's the difference between mentioning him when they're together and mentioning him when they're not? There is no difference. If there was an issue, we wouldn't have mentioned her relationship in the first place. It's not like we're saying things that haven't been reported all over the world, so whose privacy are we trying to protect? Anemone  Projectors  19:37, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The difference is they are no longer together (a crucial distinction). Because Al-Chamaa is a non notable person (in Wiki terms) and because he is no longer part of her personal life, we should not waste space describing old relationships. Chris Brown is mentioned on Rihanna (i) because he is a notable figure independent of the subject (ii) because of the domestic violence case. No other exes are mentioned because they are unremarkable and non notable. The same applies across Wikipedia. Wikispan (talk) 20:01, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes but notability is not temporary, so if the relationship was notable enough to be mentioned before, it should still be mentioned now. Anemone  Projectors  20:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * But their relationship was only notable—and of interest to the reader—when it was ongoing. There isn't a single news article for Lou Al-Chamaa absent Leona's name. They both split up have since moved on. Our job on Wikipedia is not to list all of the people Leona has ever had a relationship with. That's not fair. I hate to press you on this. Wikispan (talk) 22:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Notability is not temporary. You're trying to tell me that in this case, it should be. Anemone  Projectors  22:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Not everything we have a reference for is notable. There are other issues to consider, such as "due weight". I wish to know if it's your intention to describe all of the people Leona will ever have a relationship with. Please answer this question. Wikispan (talk) 12:37, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No it isn't, hence her current relationship isn't mentioned. Anemone  Projectors  12:52, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay. Let's try to find other areas of agreement. Do you agree that if Leona's present relationship proves to be serious, we should update this article, removing reference to her ex? Wikispan (talk) 13:12, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * No. If it proves to be serious, we should update the article, keeping reference to her ex. Anemone  Projectors  14:01, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You are not making sense. A moment ago you said it was not your purpose to call attention to everyone she has been in a relationship with, but at the same time you refuse to remove the name of her ex-partner—plus his present and former occupation—from the article! The text reads:
 * "Lewis lives in Hackney, where she lived with her boyfriend Lou Al-Chamaa, a former electrician..."
 * "Lived" (past tense). Please understand and accept that both parties have moved on. Leona is now dating somebody else. There is absolutely no justification to mention her ex-boyfriend in this context. We ought to say where Leona lives today (present tense) absent any mention of a former electrician she no longer dates. Wikispan (talk) 15:31, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

(undent) I said it was not my intention to describe all of the people Leona will ever have a relationship with. I didn't say it was my intention to describe none of them. I maintain that notability is not temporary, and her relationship with Al-Chamaa is notable and if it wasn't, it would never have been mentioned before. We do say where Leona lives now. She used to live there with Al-Chamaa but now she lives there without him. Anemone Projectors  17:10, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm struggling to make sense of your position. Her relationship with Lou Al-Chamaa was only notable because we have numerous sources that reference the pair when they were together. There is already an abundance of sources that describe her relationship with Dennis Jauch. If we peruse your singular criterion ("notability is not temporary") then every BLP on Wikipedia would include a sample of non-notable exes, which is untenable. I cannot understand why you insist on mentioning that Al-Chamaa once lived with Leona, even defending a description of his various day jobs, when they are no longer together. The only place I can see where Al-Chamaa deserves a fleeting mention is on his suggestion that Leona enter the The X Factor, information that will always be relevant to the reader. Wikispan (talk) 18:02, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * For the time being, let's work toward a compromise. Do you agree that Lou's occupation is unnecessary? Wikispan (talk) 18:19, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes it probably isn't necessary, and possibly wasn't necessary at the time. Anemone  Projectors  18:25, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure we should be listing all of Leona's tattoos either. This is not the Police National Computer. Wikispan (talk) 17:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've removed them but I'm gonna put it here just because.  Anemone  Projectors  18:55, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Her tattoo's do hold weight in her personal life. I think they should be included.  I Help, When I Can. [12] 09:29, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the Al-Chamaa coverage was both WP:UNDUE and not in accordance with our privacy policies (WP:WELLKNOWN, WP:BLPNAME), so have reduced it to the minimum, considering LOA Clothing. -- Trevj (talk) 08:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I think this is fine, despite my objection in 2010 :-) – Anemone Projectors – 14:57, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Great stuff! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 09:15, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

I think a restructure is needed to be more clear
I think it should be:
 * 2011: "Collide" and Hurt: The EP
 * 2012-13: Glassheart and Christmas, with Love
 * 2014: Film debut and fifth studio album

I think this would be a lot more clear. At the moment, the different projects are blending too much and it's not clear. — ₳aron  14:00, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Seems a good idea to me but should her film debut really be a part of her music career? I know it's a musical, but acting is different and is under the "Other activities" section. – Anemone Projectors – 17:03, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It's no different to Mariah, Beyonce, Whitney, Madonna articles. It's really confusing to have 2011-13 as well as 2013 too. —  ₳aron  22:32, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't edit and have never looked at those articles. To follow those articles, we'd have to change "music career" to just "career". How much of "other activities" would then be moved into "career"? I'm not necessarily opposed to this, I'm just asking. Also, would "early life" and parts of "personal life" be merged into the same "career" section, making it "life and career"? I don't think personal life and career should be mixed - it isn't in any other article I've edited - but three of the examples you give are at FA or GA status so it could work. Again, how muc of "personal life" would be merged in to "life and career" if we did this as well? – Anemone Projectors – 15:01, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh I like this idea so much I already started it off by moving her early life into "life and career" :-D – Anemone Projectors – 15:16, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah I agree, the CWL section is so small it should either be merged into the section above or below. I don't think Collide and Hurt merit their own section given they're pretty minor releases. I'm not a big fan of life and career as a title because everything she does is her life so all of Other activities and Personal life should also come under such a heading, but I can see most music artists seem to follow that format. I'm certainly willing to be open minded and see how that all flows if merged together. I think the article could do with cleaning up as well which might help find a way to split the sections up. Sanders11 (talk) 19:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Well I don't mind if we merge her personal life or keep it separate, so my edit can be reverted. Some "other activities" can be merged. I'm not sure they all could - depends what it is. – Anemone Projectors – 14:54, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah but that's all she did/released in 2011. It would make much more sense to group Glassheart and Christmas, with Love into 2012/2013. —  ₳aron  15:33, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it might be better to have "Collide", Hurt and Glassheart together, because they're all "Glassheart-era". As Christmas, with Love is covered by a single, short paragraph, this could also be merged into the same section, giving us these:
 * 2007–09: Spirit and international breakthrough (same)
 * 2009–10: Echo and The Labyrinth (same)
 * 2012-13: Hurt: The EP, Glassheart and Christmas, with Love (straight merge of two sections)
 * "2014–: Film debut and fifth studio album (same)
 * – Anemone Projectors – 19:07, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah this looks good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calvin999 (talk • contribs) 22:10, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I've moved Christmas, with Love to the Glassheart section. Do you think we should merge the X Factor and Spirit sections? – Anemone Projectors – 09:15, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Quote from Dreams
The quote "It wasn't a million pounds that I was offered, as the papers reported, but even if it had been, I still would have turned it down." appears in the article, cited to her book Dreams. Does anyone know what page in the book this is? Or even what chapter? – Anemone Projectors – 12:40, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Natalia Jayden a.k.a. Gia Koka
You can find information that this young lady wrote some songs for Leona Lewis. Do you know them? 37.7.117.168 (talk) 18:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Infobox
I don't think that this article needs Infobox person. Leona Lewis is notable as a musician, with all her other occupations not being anywhere near as notable as her musical work. As such, I believe that Infobox musical artist is the correct style of infobox here. She is primarily a musical artist.

As I've said elsewhere, I've noticed several Musical artist infoboxes be changed to Infobox Person without any sort of discussion or reason why. Acalamari 11:22, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * There aren't many singers who are just singers now though. They cross over into different fields. Leona is a prominent animal rights activist and patron for societies now, and will be in two films this year. I personally think it's looks better. —  ₳aron  12:38, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Lewis may be known for other stuff but she is mainly known for being a singer. I've changed it.-- Laun  chba  ller  12:56, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Well should it be Singer or Musical artist? One is yellow, the other is blue. —  ₳aron  18:30, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Use of the 'Black British singers' category
Leona is half black, half white. Using the 'Black British singers' category implies that she is 100% black, and she isn't. I know the Black British says about mixed race, but I find this to be highly contradicting. You can't be black when it suits. You either are or you aren't. Leona is not black, her mum is white, making her half black. I'm against the use of this category being included, because it is misleading in the identifying of her race and lineage. — ₳aron  10:38, 19 February 2014 (UTC)


 * The Black British singers/musicians categories do not necessarily imply that its contents are pure black. Take a look at all the people under those two categories as well as the subcategories of Category:Black British people - many of them are mixed, just like Leona, half black/half white or other. You must keep in mind that the English Wikipedia is used by people all over the world - that's why there is such thing as the WP:NPOV policy. Anywhere in the world, half black people are still considered black mostly due to appearance - take Mel B for example. Yes they are mixed, but such a category, such as 'Mixed race singers' which you suggested, would never be accepted here on Wikipedia. All 'Black British' categories and its subcategories are based on the main Black British article. – Hiddenstranger (talk) 13:14, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Black british implies that they are purely of black origin and ancestry, and they aren't. —  ₳aron  22:36, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * By the way, if you add something that others disagree with, it's supposed to stay out until a consensus is reached. So it shouldn't actually be removed for the time being. —  ₳aron  10:49, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Recognition
Read more at http://www.nme.com/news/led-zeppelin/81348#X4CqTt6LEzLw3Bzh.99
 * http://www.nme.com/news/led-zeppelin/81348 - Jimmy Page cites performing with Leona Lewis as his greatest achievement outside of Led Zeppelin

— ₳aron  09:59, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

School?
The article says that Leona attended the BRIT school in Islington. I don't doubt that she attended the BRIT school, but it is in the London Borough of Croydon, many miles away from Islington. As the BRIT school does not accept students below age 14, she presumably went to school somewhere else first, most likely in Islington if that is where she lived.86.185.4.80 (talk) 14:28, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The article does not say she attended the BRIT School in Islington, it says she attended the BRIT School, without saying where it is. It also says she attended the Sylvia Young Theatre School, the Italia Conti Academy and the Ravenscourt Theatre School. It only says she was born in Islington. Does that help? – Anemone Projectors – 12:57, 26 October 2015 (UTC)