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Sorry, but the BBC source does not make it clear that he is an Irish citizen. He wasn't born in Ireland so you'll have to do better than that you fenians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.98.67 (talk) 00:32, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

A source where Liam Neeson identified himself (and his sons) as Irish citizens is "George" magazine, June 1999 issue. I can no longer find it online, but it exists. Whether that means he should here be called an Irish citizen, I leave to others to fight out, but Neeson directly called himself an Irish citizen, so your comment about where he was born is irrelevant. And whether people are 'fenians' or not is even more irrelevant. Nuclare (talk) 11:50, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
The issue as it stands is that his British citizenship is not included thus implicitly stating (incorrectly) that he does not have it. I'm minded to leave it as is though. The bizarre lead sentence neatly sums up the desperate lengths that the editors will go to in order to push their agenda on this page. Having that flaged up to the reader is perhaps more useful than absolute accuracy. Eckerslike (talk) 16:27, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
The problem is that sources where Neeson has addressed the issue of citizenship, he has himself shown an 'agenda' that doesn't include 'British citizenship'. In the article I reference, he directly calls himself an Irish citizen without any reference to also being a British citizen. He wasn't specifically talking about Irishness either (he was talking about why--at that time--he couldn't participate in politics in the U.S. where he lived). When he later announced his U.S. citizenship he said that he became a U.S. citizen "but I'm still a proud Irishman." Again, no mention whatsoever of Britishness--citizenship or otherwise. I don't think the lead sentence (or anywhere in the article) should be a dumping ground of citizenships. For lots of actors, we probably don't even know all the citizenships they could have. It should be a choice of the *best* way to describe him. Frankly, I think the evidence, taken as a whole, points toward Irish. Although we can debate that, I'd say it's reasonably clear that it doesn't point toward British being the best way to describe him. Nuclare (talk) 12:16, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
I think your misunderstanding the concept of citizenship. I has nothing to do with what the individual declares but is a legal status that can only be gained or loss by official legal procedures. He gained British citizenship by being born in the UK. He remains a UK citizen until he renounces it legally by declaring as such to the British government. Interviews where he fails to declare his Britishness cannot be considered evidence that he has done this. In fact you would expect the opposite as renouncing citizenship is generally done as a form of protest.
Frankly I think that speculation about national identity should be left out of lead altogether. Instead simply let the facts within the article speak for themselves. The agenda is not simply stating the fact he has Irish citizenship but its appearance in the first sentence. It systematic of the insistence that his Irishness be emphasised at the exclusion of any other narrative. Eckerslike (talk) 20:32, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't misunderstand the concept of citizenship; you are misnunderstanding my point. A citizenship that technically exists for an individual isn't necessarily noteworthy by wiki standards and certainly not necessarily noteworthy in the sense of being in the lead. Wikipedia is not about documenting every legal detail about every individual. And citizenship also isn't the be all and end all of what descriptive adjective(s) should/shouldn't be used to describe someone in the lead. I agree we shouldn't have speculation in the lead, and we shouldn't have laundry lists of citizenships there either. Nuclare (talk) 21:50, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps we should change it from "an Irish actor with Irish and American citizenship" to "to an Irish actor who also holds American citizenship". That way it doesn't directly state he has Irish citizenship which we are not 100% sure off. He is however Irish by the fact he states that its his nationality. Its no different from Sean Connery being called Scottish even though he's a British Citizen. Does anyone agree with me changing the sentence to what I said above? Stevenbfg (talk) 08:16, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
How about we simply say "Liam Neeson is an Irish actor"? No controversy there. His American citizenship is stated in personal life anyway. 79.97.222.9 (talk) 08:31, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Wrong, sadly, it's not that easy. That is exactly the most controversial thing. The fact is that he's not Irish or American, or at least not solely or just the two together, he's Northern Irish /British. - June 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:C440:20:1116:640C:C042:8CC7:41E7 (talk) 14:26, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Liam Neeson, like everyone else born in "Northern Ireland" prior to the GFA is an Irish citizen according to the nationality laws of the Irieh Republic. That some persons born in the north of Ireland have claimed British citizenship and choose not to recognize or claim their Irish citizenship for sectarian/partisan reasons does not change the simple fact that those who do --- such as Mr Neeson and myself --- are legally Irish citizens and are recognized as such by the Republic of Ireland and the rest of the world. If some Unionist/Loyalist sorts don't like it, so what? Our Irish citizenship is legally unquestioned and none of your damn business. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.208.105 (talk) 10:02, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Oh dear, what a pathetic, bitter little person we are. Neeson was awarded and accepted an OBE. That's what he thinks of your arrogant brand of nationalism and Brit-hatred. Now go back to living several hundred years ago, because almost no-one in the world gives a crap about your stupid "struggle". 86.2.64.179 (talk) 20:49, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2015

He is a British actor not Irish born in Ballymena N Ireland UK none of his family call it Ireland so do make a big thing about it cause silly coments he a U.S cit now so remove it and who care as hes an ace actor

86.182.157.158 (talk) 22:52, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 02:53, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Liam Neeson now called 'Dick Rubnuts'

As this article clearly states, Liam Neeson is now called 'Dick Rubnuts'

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-01-08/liam-neeson-forced-to-change-his-name-after-winning-bet

Now nothing matters more to me than common-sense and scrutiny, but I move that we change every use of his name through the entire article immediately.

FYI: The text I have to type in to prove I'm human is 'kinkypixy'. You disgust me Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.102.140.245 (talk) 23:29, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Irish not Irish-American.

His father was british not irish and is still in the town he loved Ballymena NI Liam Neeson like Pierce Brosnan was born in (Northern) Ireland to Irish parents, who had Irish parents. He lived there for most of his early years, he holds an Irish passport and was naturalised in the US for the purpose of remaining there indefinitely because he is a Hollywood actor. This does not make him American. Irish-American is a term used to describe American-born people who have an Irish parent(s) or grandparent(s). John Travolta, Mel Gibson, the Baldwin brothers are examples of Irish-American. Please do not change this back to Irish-American as it is extremely misleading. Stevenbfg (talk) 15:16, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Neeson's decision to become an American was not related to remaining in the US indefinitely, as all naturalized Americans are required to be permanent residents for a minimum of 5 years. He already had the right to remain indefinitely in the US for some time, and later decided to become an American, taking an oath stating 'I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen'
As to the term Irish-American, it has been used by Americans to describe their ancestry/national origin (albeit not without controversy), but stating two nationalities when someone has two nationalities is a regular practice. Look at Christoph Waltz (Austrian-German) Linus Torvalds (Finnish American) Edward James Olmos (Mexican American; he's an American-born naturalized Mexican).
Confusing national origin with Nationality has been a pet issue of mine on wikipedia, but Irish-American here accurately describes both of his nationalities, not his ancestry (as Irish-American sometimes does in the case of Americans like the Baldwins, JFK, and Gibson)Tippx (talk) 20:02, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Irish-American only describes someone who holds both Irish and American citizenship. To describe someone with American citizenship and Irish ancestry you write Irish American (without a hyphen) with Irish as an adjective to American, further specifying the latter. Basic English grammar. Tvx1 (talk) 19:37, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
If, according to the Good Friday Agreement, he can be considered an Irish citizen, and if he has American citizenship, then he's Irish-American. If he's properly considered a UK citizen, then he's British-American. Basic English grammar has not been violated. If you're suggesting he should be considered American, that's fine. Then change his nationality to American or Irish American. He's definitely an American citizen, he's definitely a British citizen, and he can claim Irish citizenship. But it's not strictly speaking accurate to call him Irish and not at least mention his UK and US citizenship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.241.69.151 (talk) 01:30, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
If he holds Irish citizenship as well, it would be most accurate to describe him as British-Irish-American Tvx1 (talk) 16:11, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Honestly, I'd have no problem with him being labeled British-Irish-American if accuracy is Wikipedia's concern. It might not be the most aesthetically pleasing label, but an encyclopedia should be concerned with accuracy. There are a lot of sticky ethnic politics involved in discussions of British vs Irish identity (and Welsh vs British or Scottish vs British identity for that matter) but Wikipedia can avoid implicitly taking a side by being careful about how it deals with nationality. In my opinion, an article ought to state a subject's legal status and devote a separate section to ethnic identification if that's a big part of who they are. Neeson's identity clearly generates enough debate that the page might benefit from a concise and well researched discussion devoted to that topic.
What is wrong with "a Northern Irish actor" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.80.98 (talk) 13:44, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Just incorporate the fact that Mr. Neeson has indeed been an American since he officially received citizenship of the United States of America, which by definition makes on an American. No need to get caught up in that misleading ethnicity and ancestry debate. He has personally and unmistakably given the reason what prompted hm to apply for and take on American citizenship.

Semi-protected edit request about Liam Neeson on 10 January 2015

The end of the italic sentences is sloppy, and does not make grammatical sense. I would change it to 'In an interview with the Independant, Neeson said "I am totally for gun control in the US. The population of America is roughly 300 million and there are 300 million guns in this country, which is terrifying. Every day we’re seeing some kid running rampant in a school."

--Josefwwaller (talk) 07:46, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

While Neeson often carries a gun in films he stars in, he believes the U.S. needs better gun control. “I am totally for gun control in the US. The population of America is roughly 300 million and there are 300 million guns in this country, which is terrifying. Every day we’re seeing some kid running rampant in a school, he said in an interview with The Independent. [1]

Josefwwaller (talk) 07:46, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  08:08, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Well, for starters and at a bare minimum, someone could add proper punctuation to terminate the quotation, since it's doubtful that he actually said "he said in an interview with The Independent". Other niceties might include changing the one curly quote to a straight quote and properly italicizing (possibly even linking) The Independent. It might scan better if the sentence began: In an interview with The Independent, Neeson said, if such a major change can be made without an RFC. 2600:1006:B165:44D1:B945:D20A:9451:85D (talk) 17:52, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
Done  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  23:49, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

It should say he "believes the US needs more extensive gun control", not "better" gun control. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not the Huffington Post - we shouldn't be making subjective statements unless they are direct quotes. 96.231.187.10 (talk) 20:07, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Unable to appear in 2005 Star Wars film due to 2000 motorcycle injury?

I find that statement questionable at best, considering the source provided gave nothing and I didn't find anything when looking this up.98.247.228.61 (talk) 02:52, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Practising Catholic

Mention of Islam prayers, but no mention of his actual religion? http://www.catholic.org/prwire/headline.php?ID=5877 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.91.218 (talk) 21:41, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

But what about Paisley?--Jack Upland (talk) 04:15, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

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Nationality

I have changed the nationality to "from Northern Ireland" as the previous version violated MOS:BLPLEAD. It is clear from the link to Irish people and associated comment that the term Irish refers to his ethnicity. On this subject the MOS states

  1. Context (location or nationality);
    1. In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable.
    2. Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability.

In addition he has also identified Northern Ireland as "my homeland".[1] Thus those who are concerned about respecting how he identifies (despite MOS:BLP making no such requirement) should also be satisfied. Eckerslike (talk) 17:14, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

This is stupid. He self identifies as Irish which is the right of a person born in Northern Ireland. He has always referred to himself as Irish, not Northern Irish or British in multiple interviews. All this change will do is it will confuse people of his actual nationality. You can see Northern Ireland as your homeland, but that doesn't automatically make you Northern Irish in the ethnic term. It depends on what the individual identifies as. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.64.250 (talk) 14:41, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

You defeated your own argument in the last two sentences. If you read the relevant section of the MOS (which I've quoted above) it specifically states that ethnicity should not be included in the first sentence. The fact that he identifies his ethnicity as Irish is irreverent. Eckerslike (talk) 18:40, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

It is relevant. Under the good Friday agreement a person from Northern Ireland can choose either Irish or British citizenship or both. Liam Neeson chose Irish citizenship so therefore regardless if he is from Northern Ireland his nationality is IRISH which should be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.64.250 (talk) 19:47, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

If you believe that he has Irish citizenship then you have to provide a reference to support your statement. In addition, you seem to be implying that he has renounced his British citizenship which also would need a reliable source to back it up. You seem to be confusing identification with citizenship. Even Ian Paisley[2] identified as Irish but was clearly not a Irish citizen. Eckerslike (talk) 01:31, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

The Irish Times published an article about his citizenships in McGreevy, Ronan (28 August 2009). "Neeson takes out US citizenship". Irish Times. Dublin. Retrieved 12 March 2016. Some quotes from that article:

  • ACTOR LIAM Neeson has announced that he has become a US citizen [..]
  • Ballymena-born Neeson is entitled to both Irish and British citizenship. Reports on the internet said he had an Irish passport.

Later he was asked how he identifies himself in Moriarty, Gerry (7 December 2013). "Nailing their colours to the mast". Irish Times. Dublin. Retrieved 12 March 2016. Quote:

  • Another fine Ballymena actor, Liam Neeson, of Catholic background, brings identity to a new level altogether. Carruthers asks if he would settle for “Northern Irish”. “Certainly Irish-American, that’s what I am,” he responds. “And then, if I have to be specific, Northern Irish-American.”

Following these two references, we should probably just follow that by identifying him as Irish-American or, alternatively, Northern Irish-American. --AFBorchert (talk) 09:37, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Just reverted the change to the long-standing definition of Neeson as "Irish", a change which also removed the citation where he self-describes as "Irish" - a removal which constitutes vandalism. I added another source from Neeson's interview in The Irish Times yesterday, Saturday 9 April 2016: "I was very conscious of being an Irish actor as distinct from an actor from Ireland if you know what I mean. I was kind of aware of being a Paddy over there.” (The Irish Times, 9 April 2016). Under International law - i.e. The GFA of 1998 - everybody born in British-occupied Ireland has a right to have their Irish identity accepted. Stop the British jingoism and imposing your identity on another Irishman. It's 2016 not 1916. 37.228.205.224 (talk) 12:12, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
Pretty sure the GFA does not refer to anywhere as being "British-occupied Ireland". You're right, it is 2016, not 1916. Time to lose the chip on your shoulder. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:54, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Liam Neeson is Irish!

Why has this been changed, due to one moderators own political views? for years he was listed here as being Irish without hassle due to the fact he self identifies as Irish. Not once has he claimed to be British. The man is a catholic, who identifies with Irish republicanism (not the terrorist related factors). Saying he is simply an actor from Northern Ireland is nonconstructive and confusing for those readers unaware and is bound to cause silly arguments. His nationality should be reverted back to Irish, sorry Britain you can't claim everyone as your own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.245.101 (talk) 13:39, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

American

I repeatedly tried to incorporate (in the lead of the article) the well established fact, that Mr. Neeson received American citizenship in the year 2009, and has since indeed been an American. Although some stubborn warden put my contributions on reset even calling them "disruptive editing" and threatening a block. I provided multiple sources along with my contributions, as they are easily found. So now i'm addressing and requesting it in the talk page of the article, that it may be added. greetings from germany. Sources e.g. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/6097584/Liam-Neeson-becomes-an-American-citizen.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209398/Liam-Neeson-Why-American-kindness-wake-Natasha-Richardsons-death-convinced-U-S-citizen.html

Self-identifies as Irish, took US citizenship long after his career was well established, clearly his US-citizenship is not important enough to be mentioned in the lead. He is known as an Irish actor and always will be.--109.149.122.154 (talk) 15:32, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
He's Irish, as is his birthright under international law, he self-defines as "Irish" and the relevant self-definitions are produced to show that his nationality is Irish. These citations are removed by people whose sole purpose here is to portray him as something he explicitly is not. As for his US citizenship, plenty of Irish people are US citizens. It doesn't mean they stop being Irish. This is just a continuation of the "He's British" argument here years ago; when that failed, they move on to the "He's American" line. Anything to deny his expressed, explicit and incontrovertible Irishness. 37.228.205.224 (talk) 19:42, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
He has self-identified several ways (see above section). So that argument is a non-starter. More importantly, as also outlined the above section, self-identification and ethnicity are not identifiers that are used in the first sentence. Eckerslike (talk) 23:13, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
To state the obvious, you can be Irish and also be a US citizen. A brother of mine is both and only took citizenship because it was becoming a greater hassle to continue with his green card of whatever other status he had as the husband of a US citizen. Neeson is, by his own repeated defintion, Irish. No debate. If people could stop vandalising this page by removing references for his Irish identity, the article might get somewhere beyond its current Britopedia status. 80.111.140.140 (talk) 01:20, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

OBE in lead

Wikipedia policy is clear: 'Post-nominal letters, other than those denoting academic degrees, should be included in the lead section when they are issued by a country or widely recognizable organization with which the subject has been closely associated. Honors issued by other entities may be mentioned in the article, but should generally be omitted from the lead.' Given that 1) Liam Neeson was not born in Britain, and has never claimed to be British, why is this award given prominence in this article rather than put at the end with his other awards? 2) Under the Good Friday Agreement of 1998 self-defined Irish people in Northern Ireland have the right in international law to have their Irish identity respected, why is this OBE imposition tolerated? If any awards should be mentioned in the lead it is the ones from his own country, Ireland, but Britopedia just needs to claim everybody successful as one of their own. 80.111.140.140 (talk) 01:16, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Since when was Ballymena not in the UK? Eckerslike (talk) 18:14, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
Ballymena is clearly not in Britain, even if it currently is in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. And. Furthermore, under the GFA in 1998 Neeson has the right to not have a British identity imposed upon him. He self-describes as Irish, not British. This is so important that it is recognised in international law, in an agreement signed by the governments of the UK and Ireland. Therefore any British awards go at the end with his other foreign awards. They do not belong in the lead as a means for British nationalists to claim him as one of their own. 80.111.140.140 (talk) 23:27, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
And how is it an "imposition" - he could have chosen not to accept the award if he thought of it as such? That said, I've never seen it used outside of WP, agree with not having it in the lede. Keep it to the infobox and article. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 00:06, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
He accepted the OBE as he accepted other awards: in good faith. They are not meant to redefine his identity, which he explicitly and on numerous occasions has defined as Irish. By putting that one award in the lead they give undue influence to one of the countries from which he has been given an award. That, and not that it is mentioned in this article, is my sole issue with this. 80.111.140.140 (talk) 23:27, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Strangely, it actually came across as anti-British, Irish-inferiority-complex, chip-on-both-shoulders-ism. But maybe that was just me. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 18:18, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
To be exact he identifies as Northern Irish. The same way people in other parts of the UK often identify as Scottish, Welsh or English. To correct you on another point the OBE is not a foreign award. If it was then it would be called an Honorary OBE. Eckerslike (talk) 19:08, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Youalrightbruv2017 edits

Youalrightbruv2017, the convention on Wikipedia is to state that X person is from Y country, and not X person is from Y geographical feature. In this case "Liam Neeson is an actor from Northern Ireland" is the convention and has consensus, as you can tell from the way you've been reverted by several different editors. If you persist in edit-warring, you will be blocked. You have already breached the three-revert rule. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:11, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

I've already filed a report at 3RR. 331dot (talk) 10:14, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
And it's been blocked. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:19, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
I had filed a report immediately before 331dot did. I have removed my entry now.
Also note that the cited source explicitly mentions Northern Ireland, in the title and in the text, so the Northern qualifier is essential in this particular context, as I had explained on user talk. Removing it smells like biased editing. - DVdm (talk) 10:36, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 November 2017

Change Natasha Richardson marriage to (her death) instead of Divorced. LadyAlex24 (talk) 00:54, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

 Not done – "d" is died (if you mouse over the letter it will tell you) and "div" is divorced. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 01:01, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Use of 'sic'

Is the use of 'sic' after 'fookin' really necessary? That isn't an error, but merely a transcription of his accent. I find it rather patronising. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grendofawkes (talk • contribs) 07:21, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2017

Change from Nationality: Ireland to Nationality: Ireland, USA

He became a naturalized USA citizen in 2009. Bhilbern (talk) 04:31, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. "Nationality" and "citizenship" are not equivalent terms and there has been great debate on the correct nationality to list. See the discussions on this page. A new consensus on Neeson's nationality will need to be formed before this is changed. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 04:38, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Nationality

Can someone explain to me where the consensus was for removing Liam Neeson being Irish from the lede? Tyrsóg (talk) 09:49, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

To clarify also, I will wait 24 hours before I restore the previous stable version, because from what I have observed there was no consensus from the community here for this version. Tyrsóg (talk) 09:58, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

No, you will not – you will discuss first. I certainly think that it's worthy of discussion – this discussion from last year perhaps sheds the most light on the issue, but "...from Northern Ireland" is the consensus (as is reflected in the editing patterns since then as much as what has been discussed in the past), and that will need to be changed if it is to be reverted back to a previous version or changed to something completely different. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 13:09, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Don't throw your teddy out of your cot,thank you so much!!!! No need for a temper tsntrum 'no you will not' LOL. Varnebank (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
I see no majority consensus from the community in that discussion to change it from Irish, please point it out to me where everyone agreed.
Indeed, he got an OBE, so he must hold UK nationality. Varnebank (talk) 19:15, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Hint as well, identifying as being from Northern Ireland/Ulster does not contradict identifying as Irish. Which Liam Neeson does, which has been repeatedly pointed out. Tyrsóg (talk) 10:00, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

This has got nothing to do with those things. Like I said, the consensus is also reflected in the editing patterns – if you look through the article's edit history over, say, the last eighteen months, try counting the amount of times that the addition of "Irish" has been reverted, regardless of the reason and by whom. I think you'll find that there's very much a consensus there. Plus, that is definitely not the only discussion that has been had on this topic – far from it. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 10:47, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
He was awarded the OBE by the Queen (not 'honorary' like Geldof's knighthood.) This means he must have a British passport. He may also have an Irish one, but to call him 'Irish' as in the box is too glib. How about 'Anglo-Irish'?Varnebank (talk) 19:12, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

The fact that you think calling a Northern Irish Catholic Anglo-Irish is a good idea, just shows your level of pure ignorance regarding all things Irish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:BB6:6811:6D58:49B0:DF9D:7A52:3193 (talk) 22:22, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

The pure arrogance of thinking every Irish Catholic thinks like you... 82.10.117.175 (talk) 22:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Both of you need to stop this – don't make snide comments and lean towards making personal attacks when you're trying to discuss something constructive to the article, just because you don't agree with something or like what the other person says. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 23:53, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

American as nationality

Recently american was added to the infobox. I have since removed it because while Neeson is an american citizen his nationality is not american. Please see nationality and citizenship for reference.Mico7898e (talk) 20:01, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Mico7898e. Did you read the guidance at Template:Infobox person? What exactly is your rationale? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:07, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
{User:Martinevans123]]. american is in the nationality part of the infoxbox when he is in fact by citizenship american but not by nationality. There is a difference between those two things.Mico7898e (talk) 09:24, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
I have now (re-)added his American citizenship to the infobox, in the "citizenship" parameter, with a citation. GreyGoose (talk) 03:36, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2018

On the information box one the right hand side of the Wikipedia page you could write 'Alma mater Queens University Belfast' as he attended there. 86.146.41.178 (talk) 23:00, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:02, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2018

On the information box one the right hand side of the Wikipedia page you could write 'Alma mater Queens University Belfast' as he attended there.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8037845.stm this is the link with information from a reliable source. 86.141.149.84 (talk) 15:59, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

 Done Added, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:36, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Marriage to Natasha Richardson

I believe that the bio block is incorrect. Regarding Neeson's marriage to Natasha Richardson. It indicated "(d)" which usually means divorces and it should say "her death." This article is locked. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.182.102 (talk) 00:08, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Congrats on the edit about the interview

Not sure who did it as I don't know how to look, and they probably don't care anyway, but congrats to the people who wrote the paragraph on the interview.

Extremely well balanced and well written.

--TheMightyAllBlacks (talk) 05:47, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

If you open the "View history" tab at the top of the article page, you can see it was User:AusLondonder and User:Starship.paint. I agree with you. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:27, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you TheMightyAllBlacks and Martinevans123. Since then he has given more comments, I have added them, but I'm not sure if we should combine the details of the story into one paragraph / one telling, rather than two. starship.paint ~ KO 02:40, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
  1. ^ Liam Neeson interview: Hard man actor on Bono, Ralph Fiennes and his fear of guns The independent, 12 Sept 2014
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