Talk:Lifestyle Lift

Experience
This is written not within the scope of EXPERIENCE. 8/18/10 i had the procedure done, had to break into my house for the pain medication because  they wheeled me out 6 hours later, uncouncious, in a wheel chair sans purse, KEYS, credit cards, bank cards and CASH ! My brother called a surgical nurse friend who came to moniter my pulse for next 12 hours. Thsi is a 'chop shop' for faces... no return calls if there is a problem they know how to avoid it. N Nadiak Tavares florida 67.232.193.85 (talk) 09:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Comment
I'm not sure how to use the talk page, but this page should really be deleted. Or at the very most, added as a sub-section under the "rhytidectomy" article. Paravis (talk) 21:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Improved NPOV
Lifestyle Lift has attained notoriety by having the New York State Attorney General charge them with creating astroturf (fake grass-roots) web sites, with fabricated positive stories by employees claiming to be satisfied patients.

That should lift it into notability.

I added a section about the AG's complaints. Now it's more WP:NPOV and doesn't look like an advertisement.

I wonder if this Wikipedia entry was created by Lifestyle Lift employees. And I wonder if they're going to delete the negative parts now. We'll see. --Nbauman (talk) 15:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I've added mention and reference for their lawsuit against RealSelf, a consumer advocacy website, and a link to that site's consumer reviews of L.L.

I also found a ref tag closing that was never opened. I created the opening tag in the correct place, but this resulted in a reference that is different in style from other references in this article...I'm going to look at it again and see whether I know how to fix that, but if I fail, someone who knows references well might wish to make a cosmetic revision. Bustter (talk) 21:41, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

After fixing the above reference, I found that it really doesn't support anything presently in the article, so I removed it. It seems to be an article that concerns (possibly advocates) astroturfing, but it requires payment to a public relations trade organisation to view it. "Fighting Back When The Internet Threatens Your Company's Reputation"

Interestingly enough after the NY Attorney General found them to be astroturfing with fake reviews on face or misleading websties that they control but are made to look independent, they published a few dozen more sites. The direction for this behavior came directly from the owner of the company and his senior vice president. They both knew it was possibly illegal and actually hired outside groups to build these phantom sites so as not to be traced back to Lifestyle Lift.

What do you expect when the marketing officer for the company describes the clientele who get Lifestyle Lifts as "Trailer Trash". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.61.104 (talk) 20:10, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Please review the more accurate description of Lifestyle Lift
Updated 11/12/2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Facemansjs (talk • contribs) 20:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I just edited 7/30/2010 a line off the lifestyle lift description because it does NOT have a verified source. It was linking to lifestylelife.com which is not allowed via wikipedia terms as a source. The line stated all lifestylelift surgeons are all board certified and I've found evidence on realself.com that states otherwise so until this can be proven please keep it off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.57.57 (talk) 20:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

also this line was taken out 7/30/2010 due to no reliable citation and I've seen statements that disagree with this. According to the company, the Atlanta Lifestyle Lift doctors are certified by the American Board of Facial Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery and have completed over 2,000 procedures in the Atlanta area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.57.57 (talk) 20:44, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

If the "Board Certified pops up again it needs to be clarified that the doctors are board certified in Ophthalmology (eye specialist) or Otolaryngology (ENT) (ear, nose and throat) but not Plastic Surgery as that is not even true on the website and is misleading info.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.57.57 (talk) 21:09, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. Ucucha 15:05, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Lifestyle lift → Lifestyle Lift — Subject of article is a proper name. I tried to move the page but Lifestyle Lift already exists as a redirect to this one, and I don't want to mess up the page histories. momo ricks  22:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

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TV Advertising and testimonials
A close friend of mine appeared in the infomercial/commercials that aired most of 2009. What is not revealed on those Lifestyle Life commercials is that the people appearing received the procedure for free in exchange for the testimonial. My friend said that everyone at her photo shoot had the procedure because it was "free". The individuals were specifically selected to be appropriate for optimal results, and the doctors performing the procedure knew these people would be in the commercial. My friend was asked to lie about her age on the advertising, so that she would appear older than she actually was (not sure of the incentive for the company on this topic?), thus encouraging and requesting deception in the advertising. There were no disclaimers stating that the individuals had been "compensated" with a free procedure; the commercials state that "these are actual patients" ... they don't mention compensation. It is likely that if the "patients" declined to support the company after the procedure, that they would be obliged to pay for the procedure that had already been performed ... but I don't know this for sure. My friend didn't receive a copy of the agreement she signed (and unfortunately didn't insist). She received no information of the value of the procedure she received, which means (at tax time) she was unable to decline the value of the "compensation" received in exchange for her testimonial. While my friend was happy with the results, she had significant post-procedure pain for 5 days, but stated (as the urging of the company) that it was a "wonderful experience" on the commercial. The "after" photos and video were taken in a commercial studio with lighting, professional make-up, etc. The "before" photos were taken without makeup and with lighing that enhanced shadows & wrinkles. This company has some real advertising issues... a complaint was filed with the FTC over the lack of discloser re: compensation for the testimonials. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.207.253.26 (talk) 13:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

help editing
does anyone find anything in the version below to be promotional or objectionable?

Lifestyle Lift is a cosmetic surgery practice based in Troy, Michigan, with offices across the United States. The company's name in all caps is also a trademarked brand name[1] used to market a particular type of facial surgery.

The LIFESTYLE LIFT is advertised as a minimally invasive, shorter duration and safer alternative to the traditional approach. In medical terms it is a short flap face lift performed under local anesthesia. All the LIFESTYLE LIFT locations are staffed by specialists in these types of procedures; Plastic Surgeons, Facial Plastic Surgeons and Head and Neck Surgeons. LIFESTYLE LIFT doctors specialize in the Lifestyle Lift procedures and typically perform more in a year then most Plastic Surgeons perform in a lifestime. LIFESTYLE LIFT performs its procedures strictly under local anesthesia (level 1 anesthesia). Published reports show an increased incidence of major complications associated with general and i.v. anesthesia. [2] There is no published description of a "Lifestyle Lift", but it is believed that the procedure involves the excess skin and SMAS layer, which is consistent with contemporary techniques.[3]

Company historyLifestyle Lift was founded by David Kent, DO. Prior to founding Lifestyle Lift, Dr. Kent's medical practice focused on otolaryngology head and neck surgery, facial plastic surgery and hair transplant. Dr. Kent completed an osteopathic residency in otolaryngology-head and neck surgery and facial plastic surgery. He is a member of the American Academy of Facial Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery[4] and board certified by the American Osteopathic College of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery.[5] R. James Koch MD joined Lifestyle Lift in 2006 as Medical Director and oversaw medical training for the company. Prior to joining Lifestyle Lift, Koch was a full-time faculty member at the Stanford University School of Medicine where he served as Associate Professor, Co-Director of the Division of Facial Plastic Surgery, and Co-Director of the Fellowship for Advanced Facial Plastic & Reconstructive Surgery.[6] Koch resigned from the organization in 2010 and was replaced by three regional medical directors: David Santos MD, Pacific and Mountain Regions; Jason Swerdloff MD, Southeast and Northeast Regions; Carlos Farias MD, Midwest and Northeast Regions.[7]

StaffingWithin the company model, most Lifestyle Lift surgeons work full-time for the company (46 of the current roster of 82) http://www.lifestylelift.com/doctors_list.php?addid= .[citation needed] However, some work on a part-time basis, performing cases at Lifestyle Lift facilities. All medical evaluations are performed by the doctor prior to surgery and almost all of the doctors are Board Certified. More than half of the doctors are double Board Certified. All LIFESTYLE LIFT physicians are Plastic Surgeons, Facial Plastic Surgeons or Head and Neck Surgeon.[clarification needed]

ClaimsCompany literature claims over 150,000 completed surgeries.

Legal issuesThere are almost 200 reviews of the company out of over 150,000 customers—some of them negative—on RealSelf.com which Lifestyle Lift sued for trademark infringement (the case was settled).[8] Lifestyle Lift has protected its doctors and trademark from infringement. It has attempted to sue other companies based on trademark infringement, including informercialscams.com (now defunct). In 2008, Lifestyle Lift was the subject of story by the CBS affiliate in Atlanta featuring three dissatisfied Lifestyle Lift patients, and former employees and their complaints against the company.[9][10]. LIFESTYLE LIFT maintains that their story is false, defamatory and malicious.

In another action LIFESTYLE LIFT sued NBC for an innacurate portrial of its procedure and doctors, the lawsuit resulted in a settlement and a appology and retraction by NBC.

According to the Lifestyle Lift spokesman Hanson, it’s inevitable that a fraction of patients will be unhappy with any surgery sometimes even with a great result. Hanson said that all patients are taken care of by their doctor after a procedure until an outcome is acheived.

"Astroturfing"Lifestyle Lift has faced complaints about the accuracy of their advertising. The company and its procedures have been positively featured on ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox News, and in newspapers and magazines across America, and stands by their advertising and results. In 2006 Lifestyle Lift voluntarily participated in a review of its advertising materials with the Better Business Bureaus's National Advertising Division. This review produced a 10-page document which made several suggestions for improvement, all of which were adopted by Lifestyle Lift. One was that pictures taken of patients tended to amplify problem spots, and benefits post-surgery, by using different photographic techniques. The BBB summarized by stating that "disclaimers must not contradict the main message conveyed by an advertisement", and "'before' and 'after' photographs should be taken in a uniform manner".[8]

In 2008, the company brought suit in United States federal court against the website RealSelf.com, which solicits anonymous consumer reviews of cosmetic procedures. Lifestyle Lift claimed that RealSelf's practice of allowing competing cosmetic surgeons to advertise as offering a "Lifestyle Lift" was a trademark violation. The courts deemed the website's activities to be protected First Amendment speech, and the lawsuit was later settled.[9][10]

In response to web sites allowing anonymous reviews often by competitive doctors or their staff, disgruntled employees and others never having undergone a Lifestyle Lift the company began posting many of the hundreds of letters it receives from real satisfied pateiints. The company was not aware the posting of real pateint letters was considered "astroturfing". Today if a real pateint letter is posted it is made clear it was received by the company and was posted by the company.

In July 2009, the New York State Attorney General's office charged Lifestyle Lift with "astroturfing," or posting fake consumer reviews on the Internet, and reached a settlement in which the company paid $300,000 in penalties and costs. According to the AG's office, Lifestyle Lift employees were instructed to create accounts on Internet message boards and pose as satisfied customers, and created web sites such as "MyFaceliftStory.com", designed to disseminate positive reviews appearing as if they were created by independent and satisfied customers. They also attacked genuine customers who posted critical messages about Lifestyle Lift on other sites, and took steps to get those posts removed. The AG's investigation discovered emails specifically instructing employees to engage to post on the web; one such message directed an employee to "devote the day to doing more postings on the Web as a satisfied client".[11][12][13][14][15]

LawsuitsInvestigations and lawsuits have focused on Lifestyle Lift in three other states, alleging various wrongdoing:

In August 2011, a lawsuit was filed in the Broward County Civil Court in Florida by a patient against Lifestyle Lift. According to the lawsuit, the patient's face erupted into a bed of keloid scars less than a week after her surgery, now covering her face and neck. Had she known about the keloid concerns, the plaintiff said that she would not have had the surgery, which has left her significantly disfigured and embarrassed to be in public. LIFESTYLE LIFT contends that plaintiff signed an informed consent acknowledging the risk of keloid scarring and failed to return to see the doctor once the scarring began. The case is scheduled for trial. http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2011/08/lifestyle_life_surgery_keloid.php In January 2010, a class-action lawsuit — brought by Mary Faktor against Lifestyle Lift, et al., claiming fraud and breach of contract — was dismissed by the United States District Court, Northern District of Ohio. While Judge James S. Gwin found that "the Plaintiff would satisfy the numerosity and adequate representation" requirements, she did not meet those for "commonality and typicality".[16] In March 2010, a lawsuit was brought against Lifestyle Lift charging culpability in the death of a 49-year-old woman in their Waltham, Massachusetts facility (later relocated to Burlington, MA), allegedly due to reaction to local anesthesia.[17] Lawyers for Donna Ames' relatives stated that, minutes after an injection, "her body jerked violently", the result of a seizure.[11] Her oxygen levels also plummeted, but staff remained unaware, since no equipment was used to continuously monitor it. After 48 minutes, an ambulance took Ames to a nearby hospital, where she was declared brain dead; the family later withdrew life support. Lifestyle Lift asserted Ames failed to disclose pertinent medical history (including bipolar disorder and past seizures as well as medications she took to prevent such conditions) and that emergancy measures were taken immediatly. The Massachusetts Board of Registration in Medicine thoroughly reviewed this incident, determined that no action was warranted against Lifestyle Lift doctors and closed the case. However, the lawsuit again Lifestyle Lift itself is still ongoing. (MBRM dockets 10-076 and 10-080 dated 18 March 2011) Amidst claims of unfair and deceptive trade practices, the Florida Attorney General's Office in Jacksonville began an investigation in 2010 regarding Lifestyle Lift's advertisin­g.[18] Allegations include violations of state laws regarding the company's marketing of cosmetic surgery, specifically facelifts, and assertions that fictitious testimonials were created by paid customers and employees.[18] Per a report from USA Today, as of September 2011, Florida's attorney general has more than 60 complaints about the company, including several contesting its claims about fast recoveries, minimal pain and results that take years off one's appearance. Lifestyle Lift has voluntarily and fully cooperated with the Florida Attorney General’s office during the pendency of the inquiry and has supplied them with specific information as to its dealing with those patients who have made complaints http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/basics/story/2011-09-14/risks-low-cost-cosmetic-surgery/50409740/1 Jennifer Davis, a spokeswoman for Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, says its 16-month probe is looking at Lifestyle Lift's advertising of a "facial rejuvenation procedure that is purported by them to be safer and less expensive than other traditional procedures, totally individualized for the client, and offers a quicker recovery time." Investigators, she says, are looking into possible violations of the Florida Deceptive and Unfair Trade Practices Act, which bans commercial practices that deceive consumers. http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/basics/story/2011-09-14/risks-low-cost-cosmetic-surgery/50409740/1 ProcedureThe procedure involves an incision made along the temple hairline and continuing down around the front of the ear following the natural curves of the ear to hide it. The typical incision makes an S shape although the incision length and type can differ between surgeons and is individualized for each patient. Next, the SMAS tissue is elevated up and back (and possibly trimmed) to its position years before gravity pulled it down. It is then sutured into place making it lasting. The excess skin is then carefully trimmed and the incision is closed with a plastic closure. Liposuction may be used to reduce fat from under the chin. In addition, the muscle bands in the neck may be sutured together to lessen their appearance. [19] To enhance the neck area, the neck skin is pulled up and liposuction is done if needed.[20]

The basic Lifestyle Lift is an in-office procedure that company literature claims takes about an hour to complete. However, it is reported to last several hours when additional procedures are performed in combination with the Lifestyle Lift. Because its procedures are performed under local, not general anesthesia Lifestyle Lift centers do not need to be ACHA, JCAHO, AAAASF, or AAAHC approved ambulatory centers. The majority of non-Lifestyle Lift elective plastic surgical cases involve IV or general anesthesia in the United States and are therefore performed in ACHA, JCAHO, AAAASF, and AAAHC accredited facilities; the benefits of accreditation for IV or General Anesthesia surgeries have been promoted and mandated by the American Society of Plastic Surgery and the American Board of Facial Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery. The procedure is a modification of the SMAS-procedure (sub or superficial muscular and aponeurtoic system). This means that the layer above the muscle and connective tissue are involved, helping to minimize frown and smile lines, jowls,excess facial and neck skin. More extensive procedures with greater elevation of the SMAS have not correlated with a more extensive result [references needed].

Branded face liftsSeveral branded face lifts are available in the USA, which mostly target consumers through infomercials. Lifestyle Lift and Quick Lift have nationwide marketing campaigns.[21] One of the hallmarks of LIFESTYLE LIFT is the specialized business model allowing doctors to perform surgery and pateint care and not have to manage an office, high levels of expereince and lower proces for consumers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carguy911 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, so an overarching issue is that you didn't use citations for almost anything you added - we can't take your word for anything about Lifestyle Lift; there needs to be independent confirmation of the truth of any claims you add, no matter how great the content is otherwise. If the accuracy of Wikipedia content is challenged, the article must be able to refer back to where that information came from, to prove it's true. You also added quite a few typos and spelling errors, and you moved content about whether the claims of the company are true or not out of the section about the claims of the company, and segregated it in a separate section, as if to make it not be associated with the truth of the claims. Now, let's take a look at the specific content you were adding:
 * You added: ''All the LIFESTYLE LIFT locations are staffed by specialists in these types of procedures; Plastic Surgeons, Facial Plastic Surgeons and Head and Neck Surgeons. LIFESTYLE LIFT doctors specialize in the Lifestyle Lift procedures and typically perform more in a year then most Plastic Surgeons perform in a lifestime. LIFESTYLE LIFT performs its procedures strictly under local anesthesia (level 1 anesthesia). Published reports show an increased incidence of major complications associated with general and i.v. anesthesia.
 * The problem: This article is about a procedure. It is not about the doctors who practice it, and it's not about how much more awesome they are than other plastic surgeons. The content you added is intended to talk up Lifestyle Life - to make it sound better than other products, safer than other products, and all-out awesome. An encyclopedia article provides information, not advertising space for why your product is the best one. Did those "published reports" analyze Lifestyle Lift in particular? Or is LL trying to market itself as safe based on studies that didn't actually look at LLs methods or record?
 * You added: In response to web sites allowing anonymous reviews often by competitive doctors or their staff, disgruntled employees and others never having undergone a Lifestyle Lift the company began posting many of the hundreds of letters it receives from real satisfied pateiints. The company was not aware the posting of real pateint letters was considered "astroturfing". Today if a real pateint letter is posted it is made clear it was received by the company and was posted by the company. 
 * The problem: Here, you're again not writing an encyclopedia article. You're writing a persuasive essay about why critics of your product shouldn't be trusted, why your company is blameless with regard to any complaints, and you're generally doing your best to make Lifestyle Lift look like it's been attacked by nasty, unfair critics.
 * You added: "LIFESTYLE LIFT contends that plaintiff signed an informed consent acknowledging the risk of keloid scarring and failed to return to see the doctor once the scarring began. The case is scheduled for trial." "Lifestyle Lift has voluntarily and fully cooperated with the Florida Attorney General’s office during the pendency of the inquiry and has supplied them with specific information as to its dealing with those patients who have made complaints " 
 * The problem: Again, you're adding content arguing for your company, none of which is supported by a reliable source. You're operating from a position of "the article says something unpleasant about LL; therefore I must rebut it by adding positive information". Encyclopedias don't use phrases like "voluntarily and fully cooperated" - the only people who use phrases like that are PR people and their press releases, trying to spin something positive about their products. Buzzwords aren't welcome in encyclopedias.
 * You added: "One of the hallmarks of LIFESTYLE LIFT is the specialized business model allowing doctors to perform surgery and pateint care and not have to manage an office, high levels of expereince and lower proces for consumers."
 * The problem: Buzzwords. Buzzwords being used to talk about how just great this business is and why doctors should want to sign onto it.
 * I hope this is making sense to you: very little of what you added to the article was appropriate for an encyclopedia article. Most of it was suited to a press release, and most of it was written from a clear position of wanting to make Lifestyle Lift look good, healthy, safe, etc. I stress again that this is an encyclopedia. We describe. We explain. We refer to what outside sources say. We don't argue from a point of view, we don't talk about how something is superior to something else, and we don't salt our articles with buzzword bingo. It's sometimes hard for the employees of article subjects to understand this, but even though this article has Lifestyle Lift's name on it, it doesn't belong to Lifestyle Lift, and it's not intended to represent the interests of Lifestyle Lift. It belongs to Wikipedia and must conform to Wikipedia's neutrality policy, which says it's intended to inform people, period. The reason we advise editors like you, who have a conflict of interest in a topic, to avoid editing the article about that topic is exactly this - it's nearly impossible for someone on the "inside", who day in and day out lives to represent the interests of a company, to completely switch mindsets and write neutrally on the topic that pays their rent. You could have 100% the best intentions in the world to write neutrally, but what you've actually written is very much biased, and you, like many other COI editors, are apparently finding it very difficult to understand what's not neutral about the content written from your point of view. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 23:14, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

You added: All the LIFESTYLE LIFT locations are staffed by specialists in these types of procedures; Plastic Surgeons, Facial Plastic Surgeons and Head and Neck Surgeons. LIFESTYLE LIFT doctors specialize in the Lifestyle Lift procedures and typically perform more in a year then most Plastic Surgeons perform in a lifestime. LIFESTYLE LIFT performs its procedures strictly under local anesthesia (level 1 anesthesia). Published reports show an increased incidence of major complications associated with general and i.v. anesthesia.

The problem: This article is about a procedure. It is not about the doctors who practice it, and it's not about how much more awesome they are than other plastic surgeons. The content you added is intended to talk up Lifestyle Life - to make it sound better than other products, safer than other products, and all-out awesome. An encyclopedia article provides information, not advertising space for why your product is the best one. Did those "published reports" analyze Lifestyle Lift in particular? Or is LL trying to market itself as safe based on studies that didn't actually look at LLs methods or record?

'Ok Im trying. The article I cited was about the risks associated with general and IV sedation of any procedures not a particular one, in an outpatient setting (same as Lifestyle Lift). It doesnt say anything about individual physicians or that one is better then another or anything about a particular procedure just all procedures done under local vs level 2 or above (general or iv sedation) so I think it is fine as I stated it.'

You added: In response to web sites allowing anonymous reviews often by competitive doctors or their staff, disgruntled employees and others never having undergone a Lifestyle Lift the company began posting many of the hundreds of letters it receives from real satisfied pateiints. The company was not aware the posting of real pateint letters was considered "astroturfing". Today if a real pateint letter is posted it is made clear it was received by the company and was posted by the company. The problem: Here, you're again not writing an encyclopedia article. You're writing a persuasive essay about why critics of your product shouldn't be trusted, why your company is blameless with regard to any complaints, and you're generally doing your best to make Lifestyle Lift look like it's been attacked by nasty, unfair critics.

got it agree with you

You added: "LIFESTYLE LIFT contends that plaintiff signed an informed consent acknowledging the risk of keloid scarring and failed to return to see the doctor once the scarring began. The case is scheduled for trial." "Lifestyle Lift has voluntarily and fully cooperated with the Florida Attorney General’s office during the pendency of the inquiry and has supplied them with specific information as to its dealing with those patients who have made complaints " The problem: Again, you're adding content arguing for your company, none of which is supported by a reliable source. You're operating from a position of "the article says something unpleasant about LL; therefore I must rebut it by adding positive information". Encyclopedias don't use phrases like "voluntarily and fully cooperated" - the only people who use phrases like that are PR people and their press releases, trying to spin something positive about their products. Buzzwords aren't welcome in encyclopedias.  ok 

You added: "One of the hallmarks of LIFESTYLE LIFT is the specialized business model allowing doctors to perform surgery and pateint care and not have to manage an office, high levels of expereince and lower proces for consumers." The problem: Buzzwords. Buzzwords being used to talk about how just great this business is and why doctors should want to sign onto it.

' ok but lifesytyle lift has a unique business model called specialized medicine like specialized hospitals and it is an important thing for people to understand as its the only one in the country. Could I create a section called business model and discribe specialized hospitals etc without promoting it? '

 thank you for your help Im going to keep working to get it right as I want it to be perfect by the rules  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carguy911 (talk • contribs) 23:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You may want to try asking the kind souls at WP:Paid Editor Help for more extensive help working out your changes - they're very good at helping people like you suss out what content is acceptable and what's not, and how to phrase it in a way that works for an encyclopedia. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 23:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

ok so I take it your not going to help anymore. So I will work on your comments and resubmit it. But before you want to take it all down remember Im a plastic surgeon and your not so if your going to make an assumption about a medical article and if its about a procedure vs anesthesia please ask me to clarify first. I will do my best to make my edits not promotional but please give me advice before removing all of my work. Thank you for your help and any further suggestions would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carguy911 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

please see my notes. thank you for your help and any comments to make it better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carguy911 (talk • contribs) 00:46, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

see above sorry forgot to sign

carguy911 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carguy911 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

News Reports Lawsuits
The plaintiffs (collectively, "Lifestyle Lift") originally brought suit against defendants NBC affiliate WCAU-TV L.P. (a.k.a NBC 10), NBC Stations Management, Inc., NBC Stations Management II, Inc., NBC Universal, Inc., reporter Lu Ann Cahn, undercover agents Jane Doe I and Jane Doe II (collectively, the "NBC defendants"), and Dr. Louis Bucky on a variety of claims arising from a newscast critical of the Lifestyle Lift procedure. The Court finds that the plaintiffs have come forward with sufficient evidence establishing that the six statements are defamatory because they are arguably false and the plaintiffs plainly have suffered actual harm as a result of the defendants' conduct. Second, there is ample evidence from which a jury could determine that the patient's description of the procedure was substantially false. The nature of the procedure, "a short-flap, variable incision SMAS-plication facelift," Resp. Br., Ex. 1, Kent Aff. at ¶ 10, is basically undisputed. If a jury credited this testimony, it reasonably could conclude that Cahn acted with actual malice when she published the statement suggesting that Lifestyle Lift misrepresented the risks and benefits of the procedure to patients. Link The case was settled for an undisclosed financial amount and an on air appology and retraction by NBC.

can someone comment on above if objectionable please?

carguy911

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