Talk:List of Apple TV+ original programming

upcoming
'Upcoming' is used in two different places on the list and there needs to be a distinction. Perhaps 'scheduled' vs 'announced' 109.175.185.112 (talk) 19:59, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Single list
Picsovina we do not need separate sections for this whatsoever, as having separate sections needlessly makes the page more complicated to read for other users, and future editing headaches to deal with. I've undone all yours, as the way you have undone every other edit is utterly rude editing behaviour! If you have a problem then discuss it appropriately, first. --Jimthing (talk) 03:36, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I have to disagree with you here, as this list makes it harder for users to read. Now, TV shows are first sorted by 'type' and release date. For example, Defending Jacob is the last show from the Drama type after which Dickinson is the first one from the comedy type, even though Defending Jacob came out much later than Dickinson. Furthermore, Wikipedia has many other lists which show original programs from a particular streaming service, such as Netflix, Hulu, Prime Video, Disney+, Peacock (streaming service) and HBO Max. All of these lists have one thing in common as these lists are divided by genre (drama, comedy, animation, docu-series, etc.) and it would be crazy to adhere from this standard for this Apple TV+ article. As such, I propose to re-implement the division by genre. You can check my latest edit on this page to see what I mean. Virin1009 (talk) 07:16, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , I am going to resist the urge and not undo again your mess of a change, but buddy, wasnt it you who made a major change without reaching consensus first? All other programming wiki sites have the structure you messed up btw. So think again who is rude. Let me enlighten you: it is you. Picsovina (talk) 07:58, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , I am willing to revert the page to my latest edit which was made before made these edits but after you reverted his previous changes. Let me know what you think. Virin1009 (talk) 11:19, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , be my guest. Picsovina (talk) 11:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , I edited the page manually. There are multiple tables now for both series and films in several genres. Virin1009 (talk) 13:05, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Do Ordered and In-Development Series Need Separate Tables?
I'm not sure how this distinction is made when new series are added to these tables, but it seems to me like they should be merged. I'm not sure what value it adds to have them separate. Any objections to merging the two tables, that way we have a single table for upcoming Original Series? Rmaloney3 (talk) 01:14, 21 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Even though they are all announced series, projects in the "Ordered" section almost definitely have a series production commitment whereas the projects in the In Development section are not quite there yet. I think it's better if they stay as they are and are not merged for this reason. Apd9696 (talk) 10:21, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Miniseries and Anthology sections
Can anyone say why it's better to have "miniseries" and "anthology" sections? I think that, if a series is an anthology, it is stated in the "genre" column details and if a series is a miniseries, it is stated as that in the "status" columns. That's what it was like before and I for one felt that the article was better like that. Apd9696 (talk) 10:34, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's better to seperate miniseries and anthologies from the other categories. The Netflix and Hulu lists here on Wikipedia do not seperate miniseries and anthologies from their main categories (comedy and drama). I propose to delete the 'miniseries' and 'anthology' category and to move the series to their main categories as it was before (Drama for Defending Jacob and Comedy for Little America). Virin1009 (talk) 07:01, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree. Does anyone object to removing the "miniseries" and "anthology" sections and putting back the shows in the sections they were in previously? Apd9696 (talk) 16:15, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No objection, I support this.Picsovina (talk) 19:58, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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Article section layout
Can we have a consensus on the recent changes to this article's layout please? No other article does this, we have agreed on a new layout for unscripted programming for all articles similar to this one (see most recent discussions on Talk:List of Netflix original programming and Talk:List of HBO Max original programming), and we need co-productions to indicate that the shows aren't wholly produced by Apple. I don't want to edit war and the points brought up by the IP are valid I guess, so any thoughts from other editors? Apd9696 (talk) 18:43, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

The Tragedy of Macbeth release date
As per the released teaser trailer the film will be seeing a theatrical release on Christmas Day. Do we out that in the release field, or maintain the Apple TV+ debut and include a note about its theatrical release? Rusted AutoParts 13:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I think we should put the Apple TV+ date in the release field, and not even include the theatrical release. There are other films and TV series in this list whose original release was before their Apple TV+ release (either theatrically or in a specific country), and we only list their Apple TV+ release (Hala, The Banker, On the Rocks, Wolfwalkers, Cherry, Losing Alice, and Tehran). If we want to include the theatrical release in a footnote, then we should add footnotes to all of the other films and TV series with an earlier original release date. Rmaloney3 (talk) 14:53, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

List of Apple+ original films draft
I've created a draftspace for the service's film library to be ready for when the catalog becomes big enough for it's own separate article from their shows. Rusted AutoParts 19:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Move Helpsters and Fraggle Rock out of unscripted
Aren't these children shows scripted? At least, Helpsters and both animation shows about Fraggles seem to be, not sure about Helpsters help you and Fraggle Rock: Rock On! Sukiletxe (talk) 10:32, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Change episode count to number ordered from number aired for current shows
To align with other streaming TV programming pages (e.g., List of Netflix original programming, List of Hulu original programming, List of Paramount+ original programming I propose moving to updating the Episodes column with the total number of episodes ordered when a show or a season premieres, as opposed to having to update the episode count for every in-progress show all the time. It's time consuming and this is the only streaming TV page that practices this model, and since I'm the only one who seems to actually update the episode count it's frequently out of date. The show status will let readers know whether the whole season has finished airing or whether there are still episodes left in the season (e.g., "Season 2 ongoing"). I've tried to move this page to this model before, only to have my edits reverted, so let's get some consensus on this. Nisf (talk) 13:13, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Bad Sisters genre
This tug of warring is getting obnoxious. , that source is literally from Apple TV+ press, weeks from premiering calling it a dark comedy. The app simply covering it under one banner genre doesn't change this. The show's wiki page also highlights it as a dark comedy thriller, backed up with sourcing. Additionally where is "murder mystery" coming from? Rusted AutoParts 00:51, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * From Apple TV+ Press's page on the show A delicious blend of both dark comedy and thriller, “Bad Sisters” follows the lives of the Garvey sisters, who are bound together by the premature death of their parents and a promise to always protect one another. The series stars Sharon Horgan, alongside Anne-Marie Duff (“Suffragette,” “The Salisbury Poisonings”), Eva Birthistle (“Brooklyn,” “The Last Kingdom”), Sarah Greene (“Frank of Ireland,” “Dublin Murders”) and Eve Hewson (“Behind her Eyes,” “The Luminaries”) as the Garvey sisters. Dark comedy thriller is the official genre, please restore it to comedy. Not like Dark comedy doesn't indicate dramatic undertones anyway.  Rusted AutoParts  00:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Do what you think is best. If this is what you really want to do, consider the same for The Shrink Next Door and Roar, both of which were announced as dark comedies in their press releases. KaiserAllen (talk) 16:57, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The Apple TV+ press page says this show is a Drama: https://www.apple.com/tv-pr/originals/bad-sisters/ 149.75.123.204 (talk) 14:01, 20 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Literally says dark comedy thriller in that same source. And as stated nowhere on the wiki page is drama present. All sourced genres entailed are dark/black comedy and thriller. Rusted AutoParts  14:06, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * This category is Drama. If you look under "All Comedy Series" this show is NOT there. It is listed under "All Drama Series". Shows should be categorized to match how Apple TV+ categorizes them, not based on your personal opinion. If you think this show should be a comedy, then write to Apple and convince them to change it. 149.75.123.204 (talk) 15:08, 20 November 2022 (UTC)


 * This isn’t how it works. We have multiple sources stating it as being a dark comedy, so this isn’t based on “personal opinion” at all. Your unwillingness to acknowledge that is evidenced by your incessant edit warring. Rusted AutoParts  15:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * This article is about shows on Apple TV+. That makes Apple TV+ the primary source. Every other show listed here accurately reflects how it is categorized on Apple TV+. There are several shows that could be placed under comedy or drama, and all of them reflect how Apple TV+ categorizes them. Your insistence that this show should not be accurate is ridiculous. Apple TV+ places it in the drama sections, and so this article should reflect that. 149.75.123.204 (talk) 23:37, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Dude, WP:PRIMARY literally states to use secondary sources, we can't use primary sources. We need to use secondary to source a) without bias and b) to corroborate the primary report. Even if, Apple themselves still refer to the show as a dark comedy. This is nonsense to have a show constantly referred to as comedy by secondary sources and Apple themselves in the Drama section. And despite this current discussion here, my messages on your talk page and the hidden messages in the edit body, you still choose to disruptively revert. Rusted AutoParts  01:23, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Dude, it says right there under section 3 and gives the example of track listings on an album. That's exactly what this entire article is, a track list of shows on Apple TV+. Placing this show under the Drama section is not a subjective interpretation, it is an objective statement of fact about how the show is listed on Apple TV+. 149.75.123.204 (talk) 01:59, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Apple TV+ still blatantly calls the show a dark comedy on their own damn pages about the series, it is seen multiple times on said page, and is repeatedly called dark comedy in articles about the show. One tiny word on a splash page doesn't negate that. Rusted AutoParts  02:41, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Should lists of upcoming programs be allowed?
There is a long running discussion on if the list of upcoming programs on this page falls under the no EPGs rule. This is following an update to this page in which the list of upcoming programs was removed citing this rule

It would be good to get additional input: Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not JordanP7893 (talk) 15:50, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

New subcategory with ended shows and a mini-series list
The more shows are released we need these new sub-list to not confuse de users and these shows not to be in same list with ongoing series. 109.97.118.101 (talk) 08:15, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * How can there possibly be confusion when the given show's status is included in each table? Rusted AutoParts  08:26, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Not by me....but on other network's page they are list separated..is a nice touch and more obvious to everyone. 109.97.118.101 (talk) 10:54, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I find it more confusing when ended shows are in a separate page or sublist, personally, as I can't always immediately remember if a show is still airing or not and it's annoying having to check two places for the show. I get it for shows with a much larger catalog though, like Netflix, as separating the shows out reduces the size of the page.
 * Disagree with separating out miniseries (at least, while they're still airing), as they're not a separate genre, just a separate format (something that bothers me about the older programming pages). Nisf (talk) 12:23, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why there's ever any push to section off miniseries, it's just a needless additional table that can easily just be handled with a miniseries tag in the status section. I can get sectioning off when it gets to Netflix levels of programming where it needs separate decade pages, but right now it's not necessary. Rusted AutoParts  02:20, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You are right at this point it's not necessary a separate miniseries tab, but I think it would be nice to have at least a category with ended shows and not mix with ongoing one. 2A02:2F08:3001:BF00:9099:864D:733D:3DA3 (talk) 20:41, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok...i'm agree with you but just the miniseries part...in case of ongoing and ended shows we need a separate list...it's just my opinion, if the page moderators doesn't agree with me it want happen :( 109.97.118.101 (talk) 07:11, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Why was an Ended page created without any discussion?
@Seprentyu created List of ended Apple TV+ original programming without discussion, despite the discussion above pointing to opinions that one was not necessary. You've done this before with other programming pages. Why did you do this without asking, and how do the other page editors think we should proceed? Nisf (talk) 20:19, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I went rogue, I guess. Feel free to undo, however I dont see why we should postpone this necessary step and what is the benefit of not doing it. Seprentyu (talk) 20:26, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Why is it necessary? The only page we've ever needed it was List of Netflix original programming due to page loading issues, which was decided via discussion and consensus. Nisf (talk) 20:29, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Because this page will reach that state too in the future, then why not adopt the change now? Also this structure separates ongoing shows more clearly from ended shows, makes editing easier as well. Seprentyu (talk) 20:32, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * So far no pages other than Netflix have reached that state. Regardless, that's something for multiple editors to discuss, not for one editor to decide unilaterally, as this seems to largely be based on your editing preferences. For example, I find it more difficult to move content back and forth between pages when a program ends, or when a show on hiatus resumes with a new season. Other readers on other programming pages have complained about having to check two pages to find shows instead of locating everything (current and ended) on one page. Again, I invite others weigh in, as I don't want to be the one dictating this either. Nisf (talk) 20:37, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Ok, I said my piece, feel free to do as deemed proper after.Seprentyu (talk) 20:40, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirected back here. Premature at best. Frankly a bit disappointed this happened as this has been a topic broached on this talk multiple times with the assertion it's too early firmly stated. Rusted AutoParts  21:02, 31 July 2023 (UTC)