Talk:List of Hungarians

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I alphabetized the list, but it is clearly not the best way to organize it. There are conflicts between Hungarian and English alphabetical order as well as name changes (e.g. Harry Houdini et al).

Categorizing could also be problematic as some people would cross over, although I think that this would be a less serious problem.

Any thoughts? -- Jay Allen

How can alphabetization on last name be problematic? I am a bit dismayed that someone took information from our Website and didn't even mention it. Anyway, here it is [The Hungary Page, Nobel Prize Winners and Famous Hungarians] -- [[hipcat@hungary.org]

Maybe you should change to a notation like this:
 * Surename, Given Name

It will be closer to the Hungarian name order too...

-- Szilvási, Ádám (talk) 22:21, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Here is the current list categorized for discussion...

Math and Sciences

 * Donát Bánki, engineer.
 * Ottó Bláthy, engineer.
 * Janos Bolyai, mathematician, dicoverer of non-Euclidean geometry.
 * Miksa Déri, engineer.
 * Paul Erdős , mathematician.
 * Dennis Gabor (Gábor Dénes), Nobel-prize winner physicist, inventor of holography.
 * István Gyarmati, physicist
 * Kálmán Kandó, engineer.
 * Tódor Kármán, engineer.
 * John von Neumann (Neumann János), mathematician.
 * Ernö Rubik, inventor of Rubik's cube
 * Charles Simonyi, computer scientist; father of Hungarian notation
 * Albert Szent-Gy&ouml;rgyi, chemist, Nobel Prize winner in 1937.
 * Leo Szilard, physicist.
 * Edward Teller, physicist.
 * Eugene Wigner, physicist, mathematician.
 * Károly Zipernowsky, engineer.

Arts, Entertainment and Literature

 * Béla Bartók, composer.
 * William Fox, founder of Fox studios
 * Eva Gabor, actress
 * Magda Gabor, actress
 * Zsa Zsa Gabor, actress
 * Harry Houdini, magician
 * Imre Kertész, writer, Nobel Prize winner in 2002.
 * Zoltán Kodály, composer.
 * Lászlo Kovács, cinematographer and multiple Oscar award winner
 * György Ligeti, composer.
 * Ferenc Liszt, composer (known to most of the world as Franz Liszt).
 * Peter Lorre, actor
 * Bela Lugosi, actor
 * '''Sebestyen Marta, singer
 * George Pál, producer, inventor of stop-motion animation and multiple Oscar award winner
 * Joseph Pulitzer, publisher and namesake of Pulitzer Prize
 * Elie Wiesel, author and Nobel Peace Prize Winner
 * Vilmos Zsigmond, cinematographer and multiple Oscar award winner
 * Adolph Zukor, founder of Paramount Pictures; produced first full-length motion picture

Sports

 * Bela Karoly, premier gymnastics coach
 * Ferenc Puskas, football player, center forward.

History and Politics

 * Count Miklós Zrínyi, (1508-1566), Hungarian militant and hero defended against Ottoman Turks.
 * Count Miklos Zrinyi, (1620-1664), Hungarian warrior, statesman and poet.

Business and Finance

 * Andy Grove, former President/CEO and Chairman of Intel
 * George Soros, entrepreneur and one of the world's wealthiest men

-- Jay Allen

Since it will probably take months to get a comment on the above, I just went ahead and did it...


 * It looks good to me. I'd say use the most common name in English for alphabetical purposes, and if somebody falls into more than one category, I don't think there's anything wrong with listing them in more than one. --Camembert

Ha! Guess I was wrong. You're fast, Camembert! Anyway, I listed everyone in the most appropriate (i.e. what they are most famous for) category and used their most famous name (which is subjective, I know...). I also put birth names (when available) as a notation.

The funny thing about a list like this is where do you stop? There are a lot of Hungarian physicists and mathmaticians who are famous to mathmaticians and physicists (and Hungarians), but to virtually no one else... -- Jay Allen


 * Yes, that is a bit of a poser. A few months ago there was s a very long and boring argument about it at Talk:List of famous Canadians (I don't recommend reading it), at the end of which I don't think anybody agreed on anything. I'd say just list whoever you like - if they're famous enough to have a Wikipedia article, they're probably famous enough to be listed here. But that's just me, and others might disagree (by the way, if you type three tildes in a row, thus:, you should get an automatic link to your user page). --Camembert

Who qualifies here? I put in Catherine Schell, and now I think I'm going to take her out again. She was born in Hungary to a German family, left Hungary at the age of 4, and became known as an actress in Britain and the U.S.  -- Dominus 11:05, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)


 * I'd say people who already have a Wikipedia article about them, and
 * consider themselves as Hungarians, or
 * born as Hungarians and have the ability to understand Hungarian, or
 * born as Hungarians and have lived there for at least 15 years.
 * Why? Just because.
 * Oh, by the way I don't know who Catherine Schell is, but she doesn't have an article anyway. --grin 17:05, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Shouldn't Polya (the mathematician) be here also?

List needs serious work
There are two problems with this list:

1) it is inaccurate (e.g Alanis Morrisette is listed as American rather than Canadian) 2) it is clearly not just a list of Hungarians, but includes numerous people born and raised in another country with their main connection to Hungary being a single Hungarian parent. For example, to claim that Alanis Morrisette or Jamie Lee Curtis are "Hungarian" is rather ridiculous. You may as well claim that John Kerry is Hungarian (he had a Hungarian grandparent).

I propose, at the very least, separating the list into Hungarians (this can be easily defined for those still living e.g possessing or having at some point in their lives possessed Hungarian citizenship) and "people with (some degree of) Hungarian ancestry". Scott Moore 19:48, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Backing up Hungarian descent
I looked through and checked the list, and I found that there is no mentioning to the ethnic Hungarian descent of the following people, or it is not enough to categorize them into some specific category. The articles of the below people should be backed up or made more obvious from this point of view, or they should be removed from the list:


 * Tony Curtis
 * William Fox (producer)
 * Ernie Kovacs
 * George Pataki
 * Theodor Herzl

Adam78 23:42, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

As for Tony Curtis, he was a child of a Hungarian immigrant (according to various sources, e.g. IMDB - Biography from Leonard Martin's Movie Encyclopedia) born in Bronx, New York.

German Wikipedia mentions that Theodor Herzl was born in Budapest to Jewish parents, who oriented their son towards German culture (incl. language), so it might be reasonable to remove him from there, and put him on the list of Austrians (& Austrian Jews) instead.

Listed? lásd...

 * List of Prime Ministers of Hungary
 * György Sándor(ja)
 * Hans Swarovsky
 * Victor L. Berger
 * Leslie Mahaffy
 * Homolka people
 * Géza Maróczy
 * Victor Ambrus

Category:Hungarian people

And see also my de:Liste bedeutender Ungarn!
 * --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 17:50, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

also
 * Wilhelm Georg Berger, etc saxons
 * Richard Hönigswald
 * Iván T. Berend, scholar
 * János Harmatta

?
 * Gregory Nagy
 * Blaise Nagy

シャーンディ・ガーボルさんから
I was surprised to see myself in this list - I hardly see myself as someone famous or worth mentioning, I wonder how my name got in here in the first place.

But being new among Wikipedia editors, I wonder if it's appropriate to remove myself - I am hardly an unbiased observer.

Any comments?
 * by (Sándi Gábor)

See Wikipédia:Mi nem való a Wikipédiába or (What Wikipedia is not in English) to see what belongs to Wikipedia and what doesn't. (To be frank, I don't know anything about you, so I can't decide whether your article belongs to Wikipedia.) Adam78 21:06, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Köszi, elolvastam. Azután kivettem magamat - azért Széchenyi Istvánnal mégsem szerepelhetek egy listân!

(Thank you. I read what you advised me to read, then took myself off the list. It's really not appropriate for me to figure on the same list as István Széchenyi)


 * Actually the article is titled "List of Hungarians", not "List of famous Hungarians". I might as well add my name to it. :-) Alensha 10:07, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Writers


 * Andras Petocz
 * Gyula Illyes
 * Istvan Fekete
 * Janos Kodolanyi
 * Kalman Toth
 * Deszo Kosztolanyi
 * Lorinc Szabo
 * Klaman Mikszath
 * Kalman Thaly

FIlm Artists


 * Imre Gyongossy
 * Gabor Brody
 * Gyorgy Illes
 * Geza Radvanyi
 * Marton Keleti
 * Zoltan Fabri

Scientists and Engineers


 * Oszkar Asboth
 * Gabor Bernath
 * Imre Brody
 * Janos Csonka
 * Jeno Fejes
 * Albert Fono
 * József Galamb
 * Istvan Vedres
 * Denes Mihaly
 * Jozsef Mihalyi
 * Odon Riszdorfer
 * Pal Dienes
 * Janos Kabay
 * Mihaly Csikzsentmihalyi
 * Jozsef Dallos
 * Lajos Loczy
 * Eszter Pecsi
 * Gabor A. Somorjai American chemist. Winner of the 2008 Priestly Medal, the highest award of the American Chemical Society.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.152.154.201 (talk) 23:12, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Mihaly Somogyi
 * Antal Bejczy
 * Imre Gyula Izsak
 * Madeleine Forro Barnothy
 * Imre Frivaldzsky
 * Sandor Gaal
 * Gyula Fenyi
 * Istvan Dekany
 * Oscar Jaszi
 * Sandor Szalai
 * Balazs Fekete
 * Charles Vörösmarty

Composers
 * György Kosa

Artists
 * Jozsef Koszta
 * Simon Hollosy
 * Oszkar Glatz
 * Bela Kondor
 * Alajoz Hauszmann, architect
 * Gyula Derkovits
 * Aurel Bernath
 * Istvan Szonyi
 * Bela Czobel
 * Istvan Nagy
 * Ede Bohacsek
 * Istvan Zador
 * Istvan Szonyi
 * Jozsef Egry
 * Janos Nagy Balogh
 * Adolf Fenyes
 * Lili Orszag
 * Menyhert Toth
 * Sandor Bortnyik
 * Laszlo Mednyanszky
 * Jozsef Rippl-Ronai
 * Tamas Lossonczy
 * Lajos Gulascy
 * Karoly Ferenczy
 * Istvan Reti
 * Janos Thorma
 * Dezso Korniss
 * Vilmos Aba-Novak
 * Miklos Farkashazy
 * Mihaly Zichy
 * VIlmos Huszar
 * Bertalan Szekely
 * Istvan Csok
 * Gyula Benczur
 * Jeno Barcsay
 * Janos Kmetty
 * Gyula Czimra
 * Jeno Gyarfas
 * Lajos Gulacsy

This page needs consistency regarding whether to write names in the Hungarian or English style
This page needs consistency regarding whether to write names in the Hungarian (Eotvos Lorand) or English (Lorand Eotvos) style. In my opinion either is acceptable, but the style must be applied consistently. The first section favours the Hungarian style, and then subsequent sections mix and match styles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dc197 (talk • contribs) 14:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Merge
I propose that List of Hungarians who were born outside present-day Hungary be merged into List of Hungarians. Firstly, according to the List of Hungarians who were born outside present-day Hungary article, "The borders of Hungary have changed substantially in the past century." The borders of Poland/Russia (Russian Empire, Soviet Russia, Soviet Union, Russian Federation) etc. also changed "substantially in the past century", but there is no a separate article, named "List of Polish/Russian people who were born outside present-day [borders of] Poland/Russia." Secondly, the listed people mainly were born in the Hungarian part of the Habsburg Monarchy or Austria-Hungary, so it is a bit anachronistic that Dezső Kosztolányi was born in Serbia, beacuase he was born in Austria-Hungary. I think we should merge them.--Rovibroni (talk) 13:43, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. It does make sense for me. Fakirbakir (talk) 22:07, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. Agreed that this article seems to be unique for Wikipedia and doesn't warrant a stand-alone list (particularly in light of confusing borders, empires et al). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:25, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

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