Talk:List of Mayday episodes/Archive 1

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Hi all,

I thought I would get to it and make the episode list a bit more neat, so, I turned it into a in depth episode guide. By the way, I love the show, great reenactments and really just a great series. But, I am a fan of anything aviation.

Cheers, Aaron J Nicoli 12:41, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

According to the official website, there are 35 episodes of Mayday, including the three Crash Scene episodes that conclude the series. kelvSYC 05:36, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

That sounds interesting, I wonder what all the other ep's are, I guess we will just have to wait and see if others can put the in order here. Aaron J Nicoli 07:33, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I am creating a new episode guide for "Air Crash." Twa800 19:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think an episode guide is within Wikipedia policy. The article is very poorly written, with plenty of spelling and grammar errors, and the wording sounds too much like a TV guide than anything informative. Major cleanup recommended. --Scottie theNerd 09:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Additionally, I don't see much point in listing an episode guide when all the episodes are based off real disasters, which have their own Wikipedia articles. A short list, such as the one on the Mayday (TV series) page is sufficient. If there isn't any reason to keep this, I will tag this for deletion. --Scottie theNerd 22:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

No, scottie, please *don't* tag it. I have referred back to this page several times and find the list to be very handy.


 * Conversely, the better option might be to merge this (with improvements) to the article, result in episode summaries similar to Seconds From Disaster. --Scottie theNerd 23:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't merge with Air Crash Investigation! There is already an episode list on that page! It's more neater than this one! Refer to "No need for this page" below. 202.95.200.12 05:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * What we have are two extensive episode lists for the same series. The point of merging in this case is to essentially scrap one or the other. -- Scottie_theNerd  05:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

No need for this page
This page shouldn't be on Wikipedia. There is already a list of episodes on the main Wikipedia page for Mayday. Also, the layout isn't good.

A message from 202.95.200.3.

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No, there isn't a list. that main article actually links back to this article that you say shouldn't exist.

Copying
I notice that some of the text in season 4 are the exact words from the episode briefings on the website on National Geographic UK. This is copying. This is bad! Delete the page at once!

A message from 202.95.200.3.--202.95.200.3 14:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Merged from Mayday main page
Since a page already exists here, we might as well make use of it. Wikipedia commonly creates a separate page for episode lists of television series. This covers everything from cartoons to dramas, and is a consistent practice. Because of this, I have copied the episode section from Mayday/Air Crash Investigation main page to this page, and deleted the same section on the main page. There is absolutely no reason to duplicate content, and since shows from Darkwing Duck to NYPD Blue, West Wing, Star Trek: The Next Generation, and many more all use this pattern, we might as well use it here. Otherwise, the main page for Mayday/ACI will get far too long when the next season comes out, bringing the episode count to 50. I would urge that this not be simply reverted. I thought it was a sensible change; if anyone objects, let's discuss it here and/or on the Mayday main talk page. Sacxpert 17:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Missing Episodes
I enjoy wtaching this show and use this guide as a checklist. I have twice seen an episode about the mid air collision of Air Kazakhstan #1907 and Saudi Air #753 on 12 Nov 1996 over New Delhi India. It was the worst mid air collision in history. Does anyone know why its not on the episode list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grlangjr (talk • contribs) 14:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The production company's website states there are 35 episodes for the first 4 seasons. All 35 are present and accounted for. 129.97.254.239 (talk) 04:58, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The documentary about the collision of Saudi Arabian Airlines Flight 736 and Air Kazakhstan Flight 1907 was not an Air Crash Investigation/Mayday episode, but a separate documentary called "Head On!", also aired by National Geographic Channel. &#91;arthal&#93; (talk) 20:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

The list of episodes for Season 4 is missing the Tenerife Airport disaster (see here: http://watch.discoverychannel.ca/mayday/season-4/mayday-crash-of-the-century/#clip8619) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.230.85 (talk) 08:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Technically that was a feature length factual based movie, it should come under the special episodes list. I have also noticed that there is no reference in the article about Silkair flight 185. Maybe someone should add them in as well? (Sk8er boi7000 (talk) 00:18, 19 December 2008 (UTC))

I remember seeing a leaked episode on youtube about a SilkAir accident. It appeared to be a real ACI/Mayday episode but it does not appear on the list.

Deadly Collision
Someone please start an article about Thai Airways International Flight 358/Singapore Airlines Flight 68. There is a photo of the crash in Thai International article Thank you.


 * The Mayday episode list that you read is only about episodes which the program have aired on television. The particular accident you are talking about is not an episode on any of the Mayday series, and therefore can't be added to the episode list. However, there are wikipedia articles about these accidents already available.


 * Thanks. (Eug.galeotti (talk) 13:27, 22 September 2008 (UTC))

Aircraft Nomenclature
This note is in response to imprecise terminology used by several editors, primarily unregistered user 202.95.200.12, on this page. Boeing products are referred to in the following fashion: Boeing 747-200 or just 747. The term Boeing B-747 is generally incorrect. The B- prefix is short for Boeing, and is thus redundant when combined with the name. The B-7X7 appellation, additionally, is an unofficial term of the aviation industry (see Talk:Boeing 747, and is not used by Boeing on its official documents or product pages. As an encyclopaedia, Wikipedia should use descriptors that are technically accurate. Thus, the B-7X7 abbreviation should not be used generally; when it is used, it should only be used after the correct designation has been given proximally. Note also that while 747-400 is hyphenated, 747SP is not.

Similarly, Airbus aircraft, like the A340 are not referred to as A-340. To fall back on the hackneyed "Google search test," Airbus A-340 yields about 14,000 results; Airbus A340 yields over 400,000. Airbus always uses A300, A310, A320, A330, A340, A350, and A380 to describe its planes. Unlike Boeing, the A is an integral part of the aircraft name, whether used in conjunction with the word Airbus or not, and is not an unofficial addition. However, unlike the unofficial abbreviation for Boeing machines, the A is not hyphenated on any company documents.

User 202.95.200.12 has been told already on other pages that official aircraft descriptions, especially type certification names, have precedence. Therefore, consistency is to be maintained, and "pet" names for planes not used. The only major aircraft manufacturer to use hypens in official descriptors is McDonnell-Douglas, whose DC- and MD- series planes are always hypenated. Thank you. Sacxpert 16:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

season 5
why nobody add season 5 episodes? they are here http://www.freewebs.com/aircrashmayday/fullepisodes.htm then click season 5


 * Please sign your comments using four tildes (~) in a row. Thanks. As to why the episodes are not listed, that would be because Season Five has not yet been produced and completed; they won't air until next year. That site is unofficial, and content might change between now and the airing of those programs. Thanks for the info, though. Also note: Wikipedia is not a file-sharing hub, and I don't think that we should be linking to sites offering full-length episodes of copyrighted content. Other thoughts on this? 17:56, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This is not a reliable source. I am commenting out the Season 5 episodes until there is a reliable source. Flyguy649 talk contribs 19:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

The above link is to an apparently abandoned website. It is still there but the links to the episodes are dead. This guy was suspended from youtube for posting copyrighted material. He has claimed multiple times to work for National Geographic, but I am sure he is in danger of being fired if that is true. The episodes were, in fact, posted to youtube and to this site (freewebs) in the past, but evidently NationalGeo has shut them down. I would not say this guy is a reliable source, in fact, I'd fire him myself if he worked for me.Rocket Laser Man (talk) 23:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

It is a reliable source. Please emediatelly put it back —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.71.211.66 (talk) 09:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * For the record, above user has received a 31-hour block for failing to co-operate. I understand, FlyGuy, that you are investigating the obvious sockpupetry here, too, so be aware that they're gonna start block-evading now. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 15:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * (to Anonymous IP editor) Please read Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources. You will quickly discover that blogs are not considered reliable, especially when they conflict with the information available from the producer of the show. -- Flyguy649 talk contribs 15:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

JUST LEAVE THE UNCONFIRMED SEASON 5 UNTIL GETTING INFORMATION FROM NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.71.211.66 (talk) 13:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Please try to co-operate. You've been blocked again, this time for three days. The blocks wiull just keep getting longer. Please try to discuss the issue. Blood Red Sandman  (Talk)   (Contribs) 16:30, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Why is the episode list for season five back on the page? As far as I know, no-one has found a reliable source for this information. Sacxpert 02:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I emailed Cineflix Productions, the producers of Mayday to ask for a list of their Season 4 and Season 5 episodes, which they've graciously provided. Unfortunately, there is no website to link, so I'm going to look into how to reference this here. There are 10 episodes in each of these seasons. Season 4 as listed is correct, except that KAL007 (episode 4.11) was not part of this season. I have seen that episode, so I believe it exists. Unsurprisingly, the Thai Airways hoax episode doesn't exist. Season 5 Episodes are as follows (Title: Flight, date):

Note that only two of these, Air India 182 and Delta 191, appear in the current list. I have asked them for lists for the other three seasons. -- Flyguy649 talk contribs 04:51, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Dead Weight: Air Midwest Flight 5481, January 8, 2003.
 * 2) Behind Closed Doors: American Airlines Flight 96 12 June, 1972 and Turkish Airlines Flight 981, March 3, 1974. (Note: producers don't list flight or airline, misname forest as "Ermonville Forest")
 * 3) Deadly Glide: Air Canada Flight 143, July 23, 1983.
 * 4) Slammed to the Ground: Delta Airlines Flight 191, August 2, 1985
 * 5) Southern Storm: Southern Airways Flight 242, April 4, 1977.
 * 6) Cargo Conspiracy: South African Airways Flight 295, November 28, 1987. (Note: producers have South African Airlines)
 * 7) Air India: Air India Flight 182, June 23, 1985.
 * 8) Deadly Plunge: Birgenair Flight 301, February 6, 1996.
 * 9) Deadly Descent: Eastern Airlines Flight 401, December 29, 1972. (Note: producers have Eastern Airline)
 * 10) Death Over The Amazon: Gol Transportes Aéreos Flight 1907, September 29, 2006. (Note: producers don't list airline/flight)


 * Great work on getting that info, Flyguy, although like you I'm not sure how one could cite such a thing...maybe you could ask them to post an episode list on their website, which would be valid sourcing. Very interesting about season four -- I wonder whether the KAL 007 episode is another off-season show. The producers' list sounds interesting, although I particularly wish that the purported Saudia 763 and Clipper 103 episodes had been real, especially given their notoriety. Sacxpert 20:48, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Now we have info on season 5 episodes, can the season 5 list be back on the page with these episodes instead or do we need more info on them? - 202.95.200.12 05:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Not yet, probably. I trust Flyguy on this one, but WP requires sourcing for stuff like this. Until somebody can find a template for sourcing an email, or until Cineflix publishes the episode list on their website or releases it through some other party, this would still be crystal-ball-gazing. Sacxpert 07:21, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I also got them to send me the lists for seasons 1, 2, and 3. Unfortunately, I'm really busy in real life, and I haven't had time to see what's up. -- Flyguy649 talk contribs 05:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

The first two episodes are "Ripped Apart" and "Fatal Flaw", both of them revisits previous episodes. http://www.discoverychannel.ca/shows/showdetails.aspx?sid=452 Cramhains (talk) 00:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It says they're specials. Maybe we need a special's section now; for these two, '3x14 - Crash of the Century', and '4x11 - KAL Shoot Down'. 64.229.6.70 (talk) 21:48, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Watching them right now, and indeed they are specials - they are based on specialized topics, with recaps of various air incidents in previous episodes underlying the point. Ripped Apart is on pressurization, and features Unlocking Disaster, Blow Out, Hanging by a Thread, and Ghost Plane.  Fatal Flaw is the importance of individual parts and proper maintenance.  Cutting Corners, Out of Control, Wounded Bird, and Fire on Board are featured so far (up to roughly the halfway point of the special).  kelvSYC (talk) 02:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I can confirm the final segment of Fatal Flaw is Hidden Danger. kelvSYC (talk) 02:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

There's a new special,"Who's Flying the Plane", which is also a special and a revisit of older episodes. Cramhains (talk) 03:13, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, does somebody know if there is going to be more seasons after season 5? Dovich —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dovich (talk • contribs) 20:20, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes; check the Cineflix website. They already updated with "6 seasons" before the fifth started airing. Stoikiometry (talk) 08:08, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Episode titles
The episode titles for Mayday are repeatedly changed. The episodes titles are for the original episodes from the Canadian source and therefore are the correct titles. The alternate title can be used for the US, Australian, etcetera alternate titles. Yowzer14 02:13, 21 October 2007 (UTC) yowzer14

External links section has disappeared!
Why has the "External links" section on the episode list disappeared? 202.95.200.17 (talk) 05:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Helios Airways on Ripped Apart?
Just recently, I have started watching the "Air Craft Investigation Special" series and have noticed something a bit disconnected with the first episode (Ripped Apart), regarding the Helios Airways incident. I think that it may be worth mentioning the following point:

From what I have gathered watching this episode and reading the description here, I have noticed that the Helios Airways accident is disconnected with the rest of the program. I say this because the flight was never subject to explosive decompression, while the other flights were. The accident occurred because an airport mechanic (running a maintenance check on the plane for a reported problem with the back left door) had left the setting on the pressure gauge to manual, when the setting was suppose to be returned to automatic. Because of this, the planed could not maintain the necessary pressure at its designated altitude because air was seeping out of the plane. As a result, everyone on board had succumb to hypoxia, and the plane had crashed as a result of fuel exhaustion and there were no conscious people on the plane.

So I wanted to know if it was worth noting this in the description (condensing it down), so that other people visiting the page may be aware that there is slight disconnection between this incident and the other incidents.

Thank you very much for your time and patience. (Eug.galeotti (talk) 14:01, 22 September 2008 (UTC))

Program tie-ins on ACI Special episodes
Another question, I am aware that each of the special episodes have tie-ins (program fillers???). The first episode was using the Airbus A320 assembling floor, the second episode used a Southwest B738 and the third (latest) episode featured a Delta Connection flying school. Do you think it would be worth mentioning this?

Thanks again. (Eug.galeotti (talk) 15:35, 22 September 2008 (UTC))

Season 6
Hi, does somebody knows which accidents are going to be featured in season 6? In the Mayday site at Cineflix.com there are some images that does not match any of the previous episodes (one appears to be TWA 800 and other has the "Kazakhstan Airlines" livery) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dovich (talk • contribs) 23:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Season 7
Hi. Is anyone able to confirm what is being talked about in regards to Season 7?

I received this email in response from NatGeo.

"Hello Bobby, Thanks for taking the time to write into us. We are indeed on season 7 at the moment. Some of the series are shorter than others, which is why you may think one series has been skipped. If there is a specific episode you would like to find out about, please let us know. Regards, Natgeoweb." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobman84 (talk • contribs) 11:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Just a heads up. Season seven has been updated (not by me). There is no other confirmation of the exact episodes other than an IMDB reference. And IMDB has been wrong in the past alot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.95.46.53 (talk) 22:03, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I just added the British Airtours Flight 28M. The name is unknown but they have production stills of it. I referenced those. -Greg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cruiseind (talk • contribs) 22:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

In the NatGeo UK website in the "about" section they have confirmed the British Airtours 28M, Air France 296, Northwest 255, USAir 1493 and KAL 007 episodes so far, starting to be broadcasted on March 1...Cineflix images suggest the Chalk's Ocean Airways 101 episode and the Air Inter 148 one has only been announced by IMDB. The Cineflix catalogue reports that this new season will be 8 episodes-long, so there is still one episode missing.

Just FYI if you are watching Mayday on discoverychannel.ca, the episodes listed in the Wiki for Season 6 are listed as season 7 on the discovery channel site and not in the same order.

Season 7 Air New Zealand 901 and China Airlines 140
I am very curious as to the source that says that these two episodes are forthcoming. I'd love to see them as well, however, will these episodes actually air or are they wishful thinking? Is there a sourse anywhere that says that these two episodes are forthcoming? If not, we need to remove them.

68.146.193.243 (talk) 16:23, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I emailled NatGeo asking about the Air New Zealand one and received this response:

"To date, there has been no Air Crash Investigation episode produced on the Mount Erebus crash [...] I have, however, recently suggested to our production development team in D.C. that there would be great interest from Australia & New Zealand if an episode were be to produced on the Mt Erebus air crash." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.55.51 (talk) 04:09, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Air Dates?
I think there should be a small field containing the original air date. Since this is an article about the episodes in a TV-Series there should be more information about the episodes them selvs rather than the accidents.

Just a thought. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.183.113.56 (talk) 18:44, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree, since this article is infact about a tv-series, I quite often visit it to find out when the nex eposide will air, it is very annoying not having it, everything else looks nice though

Entry removed
I have removed the item « Season 3 #14 » titled « Collision on the Runway » as it is not a part of Mayday (Air Crash Investigation) but of Seconds From Disaster (Season 1 #12). J-L Cavey (talk) 23:29, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know why people keep confusing this with Seconds From Disaster.  is a 90 minute show produced by Cineflix. It had been edited into a 60 minute episode for Mayday which resides as episode 14 of season 3 and continues to air on Discovery Channel Canada. (As such it is the only episode that contains course language.) Perhaps National Geographic does not have this episode?  99.250.81.117 (talk) 00:44, 5 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Found some video on youtube of the so called "Seconds From Disaster" episode (a.k.a. NGC Crash of the Century movie). It is the same one - re-titled and re-dubbed.  No different than the "Crash Scene Investigation" situation.  Pulling this episode from the list is the same as removing any other episode for the reason: "It is not a Mayday episode, it is an Air Crash Investigation episode." 99.250.81.117 (talk) 17:55, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

New episodes in 2010?
According to a message I saw on a Facebook group, new episodes will most likely air on National Geographic Channel in March. I did a search on both YouTube and on Cineflix' website and found some images from episodes that I didn't recognize at all. One of them seems to illustrate the accident involving British Airtours Flight 28M. Should a line mentioning this possible new season be put in the article? --129.240.72.38 (talk) 16:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Done by someone else. Griffinofwales (talk) 15:02, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Season 7: Chalk's Ocean Airways Flight 101
Hello, i think there is a mistake in Season 7 entry number 8 (Miami crash). It should refer to the Chalk's Ocean Airways Flight 101 and not to Northwest Airlines Flight 5 Gio —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.212.29.91 (talk) 16:44, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

It looks like that. However, the UK Air Crash investigation website states the episode Miami Mystery (Beach Crash) is about Northwest Airlines flight 5. Despite this, the same website has a 30 seconds trailer about the same episode stating it covers the Chalk's crash - so there is a big contradiction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.216.121.24 (talk) 21:59, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I work on Mayday where it is produced, and I can assure you there is definitely no episode in Season 8 for Northwest Airlines Flight 5. The last episode produced was production code MD966 "Miami Mystery" also titled "Cracks In The System" and was about Chalk's Ocean Airways Flight 101. The episode's description should perhaps be moved to Unknown Season or something? Or simply deleted? I can tell you it certainly has not been produced in the last year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.207.206.210 (talk) 22:18, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I propose removing that episode. It has not aired yet, and if and when it does, we should re-add it. We have no confirmation if it exists or not. Griffinofwales (talk) 16:49, 10 June 2010 (UTC)