Talk:List of Ring of Honor personnel

Tag teams and stables
Can someone please add all the tag teams and stables, Thanks Govvy 14:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Jimmy Bower
Can someone actually confirm the spelling of that. I'm pretty sure it's Bauer. 210.49.237.25 15:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No, it is actually spelled "Bower". I just rewatched a show from 2004 (Joe vs. Punk II I think, can't quite remember off the top of my head), and when they put the commentators' names on screen at the begining of the show it was spelled Bower.PepsiPlunge 10:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Separate Alumni Page
The alumni section is making this page too long. I suggest creating a separate page for alumni, much like with the WWE or TNA articles.

What do you think? 67.171.241.76 21:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I got to agree.-- T r  U  C o 9 31 1 01:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree--NickSparrow (talk) 07:16, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Sara Del Ray
She should be in the active roster section, not a valet. If Sweet and Sour International has a valet, it's Bobby Dempsey, who barely works actual matches anymore. Sara, conversely, wrestles on the majority of the shows she's on and the term "valet" almost feels like an insult to that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.97.144 (talk) 02:59, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Grizzly Redwood
He should listed be on the active roster.

Tables
I've made more of this page in table form and I plan on doing the rest soon and making a seperate page for ROH alumni. Hope you like it. TheJay Experience  —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC).

I love the idea of ROH alumni being on a separate page. Thank you for taking this upon yourself and doing it. Much thanks. I would also like to limit the occasional wrestlers list down to the superstars who appear at least once a month on an roh show. If not, they should go to the alumni section. What does everyone think?--NickSparrow (talk) 07:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, no because they have wrestlers that only appear in certain areas like the midwest or in Virginia where ROH doesn't visit every month. If they haven't appeared in over six months and there is no talk from ROH of bringing them back, then move them. Nenog (talk) 10:23, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree, most of the occasional wrestlers only appear in certain areas or wrestle for ROH every few months so for now, leave it how it is. TheJay Experience

Haas and Benjamin
Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin both wrestled on and were heavily featured on the ROH tapings that took place yesterday, and are going to be fighting the Briscoe Bros. at the next ROH I-PPV in February 2011.

All of this is from the spoilers from the ROH on HD Net tapings as per pwinsider.com and 411mania.com.

Thus H and B should be included on the ROH roster page, as they'll be a big part of the show (at least for a little while).

Vjmlhds 00:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * They're not on the roster page at http://www.rohwrestling.com/roster.php and you've provided no source to say they're under contract, so I disagree and removed them. By the way, pwinsider and 411mania are not considered reliable sources. Nici  Vampire  Heart  06:25, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


 * H and B are either getting paid on a per appearance basis or signed at least a short term contract for them to be booked on TV and house shows all through January and on the I-PPV in February--common sense.

And PWInsider is always used for a reference when spoiler info is included in articles.

When did it not be included as a reliable source?

Vjmlhds 15:35, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * But where's your source? It's all fine and well and good for you state that this is so obviously what's happening, but you need a source to back it up. Otherwise it's just your own particular brand of [{WP:OR|original research]].
 * If they're on a paid-per-show deal, why would we include them? Surely every wrestler that appears for ROH gets paid? Mike Mondo was at the tv tapings. So was Nick Dinsmore. Nick Westgate's appeared before. So has Tony Kozina. They're not included. Because they're not under contract, and no source has been provided to state otherwise. This is no different. No source to say they're under contract and they're not on ROH's official roster page = no inclusion. Simple as.
 * PWInsider has never been a reliable source - it's not listed at WP:PW/SG under 'Reliable', so it hasn't been proven reliable. Until it has, it's an unreliable source.
 * Nici Vampire  Heart  10:27, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

The same sources you quote that allows you to recognize Christopher Daniels as TV Champion, also show that Haas and Benjamin are gonna be a big part of ROH for the forseeable future.

All of this happened on the same sets of TV tapings. You can't pick and choose what info to recognize.

Vjmlhds 15:47, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. Where in the source that says that Daniels won the TV title does it say that Haas and Bejamin have been signed to contracts? I don't see it. Btw, stop removing sourced information from Charlie Haas. Try looking at what you're reverting. Nici  Vampire  Heart  15:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Let's try to find a compromise--

We can't just completely leave H and B off the roster considering that they're gonna be all over the place on ROH TV for the considerasble future.

But we can also acknowledge that they aren't full time either.

Vjmlhds 16:06, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

H and B announced at the ROH PPV tonight that they have signed with and will be wrestling regularly with ROH in 2011.

Vjmlhds 03:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Occasional Wrestler List
I believe the page needs one of these for the wrestlers that occasionally wrestle for the promotion. Alex Silva, Mike Mondo, Shiloh Jonze, ETC. I know they are just OVW guys, but really, Mike Mondo and Silva have been on a decent percentage of shows already. 173.31.121.109 (talk) 05:17, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

IWGP Jr. Tag Titles
I put in the note about the Forever Hooligans (Kozlov and Romero) holding the IWGP Jr. Tag Team Titles because even though they aren't ROH sanctioned titles, they are held by ROH contracted wrestlers (going on the assumption that wrestlers on the ROH website roster are under contract), ROH recognizes the belts, and they were defended at the most recent ROH iPPV (Death Before Dishonor XI).

Vjmlhds (talk) 01:16, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Samoa Joe
Samoa Joe still has at least one more appearance left with Ring of Honor before he even thinks about leaving. Besides he is still on the Ring of Honor roster. Dw122339 (talk) 20:09, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Done and gone now. 207.136.213.240 (talk) 15:16, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Delirious
Delirious (and HHH in WWE) should be kept on the rosters as wrestlers.

The reason for this is that they are essentially player-coaches.

Player-coaches (or player-managers in baseball) have a long history in "legitimate" sports


 * Lou Boudreau was both manager and starting shortstop for the Cleveland Indians in their 1948 World Series year
 * Bill Russell was both starting center and head coach for the Boston Celtics from 1966-69 winning 2 NBA Titles
 * Frank Robinson was a player-manager for the Indians in 1975 when he became the first black manager in MLB
 * Pete Rose was a player-manager for the Cincinnati Reds in 1986 when he broke Ty Cobb's all-time hit record

So if the "legitimate" sports can have player-coaches/managers, why can't wrestling promotions, as basically that's what both HHH and Delirious are. Both are the top "producers" behind the scenes (you could say...coaches), while HHH wrestles on major shows (and is the current WWE World Champion), and Delirious always seems to wrestle on all the ROH/NJPW suspershows, which are among ROH's premier events.

Hopefully this should put everything to bed.

Vjmlhds (talk) 15:27, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Amber Gallows
Just a point about Amber Gallows:

ROH has traditionally pointed out when one of their people hold a (major) title outside ROH. They mentioned Alberto El Patron's AAA Mega title when he was there, they most certainly always mention anytime an ROH guy holds a title from NJPW, and they brought up Gallows' NWA Women's title.

So when such a title is listed - even though it isn't an ROH Title - it's because ROH recognizes it.

Vjmlhds (talk) 22:15, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Ishii
I've added Tomohiro Ishii to the roster due to winning the ROH TV Title.

I know at the top of the page, there's a disclaimer about NJPW talent (I know...I'm the one who put it there), but because Ishii has ROH gold, he automatically goes on the roster (with a special mention of NJPW).

Normally, there wouldn't be a need to single any one NJPW wrestler who makes a guest appearance on an ROH show out because of the disclaimer about the partnership, but since champions automatically get listed, this is an exception to the rule.

Once Ishii drops the strap, he goes bye-bye.

Thank you.

Vjmlhds (talk) 18:02, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Kenny Omega
Omega has a separate deal to work with ROH.

If there is a conflict with NJPW, then NJPW gets first priority.

But the point is that Omega has his own side deal with ROH to work their shows, which is comparable to the arrangement AJ Styles had with them (as was even stated in the reference provided).

This isn't some "on loan" deal with NJPW - Omega has his own thing going on with ROH apart from his NJPW obligations. The only caveat to this deal is that NJPW gets dibs in case of a conflict. Other than that, Omega is doing his own thing.

Vjmlhds (talk) 16:42, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * What's your source on this "side deal" thing? Here's the quote directly from the Observer (the one wrestlezone used as its source for the report): "Omega will be a semi-regular starting with the PPV show, on a similar schedule as Styles had with the company last year. Given his spot in New Japan, he’ll probably be booked strong and protected well". This is no different from how the Bucks and reDRagon work for NJPW on a semi-regular basis. Omega signed a contract with NJPW in November 2014, just like The Young Bucks signed with ROH a few months back, but both work for the other promotion thanks to this partnership. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen)   (ZOOM)  21:09, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Omega is contracted to NJPW - no argument there. Doesn't mean he can't also have separate deals with other companies.  NJPW isn't the end-all be all here.  How he's booked has nothing to do with anything.  Omega is adding ROH dates to his itinerary to MAKE MORE MONEY (which is why anyone takes a job to start with).  Being under NJPW contract is all well and good - but the fact he's also working with ROH means that he wants more.  You think he's taking on all these extra dates for free?  Come on man...use your head.  Omega - along with his NJPW contract - is working a regular ROH schedule on top of it.  Just because he's under contract with one company, it doesn't mean he can't make other deals outside of that.  Vjmlhds (talk) 21:48, 20 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Check this out - Michael Elgin signed a 2 year contract with NJPW. He still is also permitted to take outside bookings with other companies (i.e. ROH).  So just because you have a contract with one company, it doesn't mean you can't do your own thing on the side outside of that (if permitted to do so - obviously if the contract says no, then you can't). This is exactly what Omega is doing...he's under contract with NJPW, but also can do other things on the side.  Not that hard to understand. Vjmlhds (talk) 21:58, 20 February 2016 (UTC)


 * As per Meltzer Omega will be working for ROH as his U.S. promotion. This shows that this isn't an NJPW "loan", but that Omega has his own deal with ROH. Vjmlhds (talk) 22:33, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Ricochet
Does Ricochet get to appear on Ring of Honor since he's Matt Sydal's partner and fellow champion or not due to Lucha Underground because he's Prince Puma?--Keith Okamoto (talk) 23:26, 20 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Ricochet is a no-go. He has NJPW gold, but not ROH gold.  Sydal, the Bucks, and Omega all are considered ROH guys (Sydal and the Bucks are on the official ROH website roster, and there's documented references showing Omega has a deal w/ROH), and brought NJPW gold with them (which ROH recognizes). Ricochet has no ties w/ROH.  And for the record, because Ishii has ROH gold (TV Title), he automatically goes on the roster, but with a caveat that he's an NJPW guy - once he loses the title, he goes away. Vjmlhds (talk) 03:17, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

ROH Bios in Notes instead of Ring Name
Why are the References to the ROH wrestlers' ROH Bios in Notes and not in Ring Name next to the wrestler's ring name? Whereas on Wikipedia's WWE roster page the references to the WWE bios are in Ring Name next to the wrestler's ring name- 90.202.109.54 (talk) 10:53, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

velvet sky
the Allure made their debut a few months ago. However, Velvet Sky said she is retired, zero action in the ring. Should we put her as on screen personnel instead female wrestlers? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:34, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't have knowledge of the situation, but if that is the case then yes. If she's not wrestling, shouldn't be with the wrestlers. StaticVapor message me!   18:30, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
 * here --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:43, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Women's Wrestlers/Other on-air talent Section Discussion (Amy Rose and Maria Kannelis-Bennett)
Okay, so I have never used the Talk function on this website, so please bare with me if this is incorrect and I have done something wrong in regards to trying to talk about an issue with this page that has led to a editing dispute between myself and another user.

So a few days ago I saw Amy Rose and Maria Kanellis-Bennett were oddly added to the Women's Wrestlers Section. I moved them from this section over to the Other on-air talent due to neither being part of the Women's Division right now. Mainly due to the Women's Division being on a hiatus until they start showcasing matches with women on the roster and outside of it again.

Now my issue with this user moving them to the Female Wrestlers section is that as of right now, neither are active wrestlers for Ring of Honor. Amy Rose, despite once upon a time training in the Ring of Honor Dojo, was manning the ring bell at ringside since her debut in 2017, until Best in the World 2019 where she has since been used as the manager for the 'La Faccion Ingobernable' faction.

Maria Kanellis-Bennett recently returning to the promotion to help man their ROH The Experience Facebook Group as well as help the company with other aspects. As of right now, she has yet to truly resurface as a manager for Mike Bennett and/or Matt Taven (The Kingdom) even.

Also a slight mention I also linked Kellyanne's official ROH Profile to her as a reference and that is being denied for whatever reason. Likely due to that being added along with me moving Amy and Maria to another section so that is understandable. Hopefully that gets linked, as well as Session Moth Martina's profile as a reference which has been there for many months now.

Now the logic of me moving Amy and Maria both to the Other on-air talent section is that 'ROH is planning to redo their Quest For Gold Tournament to crown the first ROH Women's World Champion, and they could be added to the tournament. However, that reason alone doesn't merit adding them to the Female Wrestlers section as of right now, they are not active in-ring performers. This may also apply to other women used as on-air talent and in other roles, particularly Quinn McKay (who has teased making her in-ring debut as she was returning to training at the ROH Dojo to eventually face The Allure in that storyline, as well as Vita Von Starr, who does compete in the independents, and has gotten physical during the feud between The Kingdom and The Righteous. Vicky Haskins also used to perform up until 2010. So by this logic, if Amy and Maria get added because they could be involved in the tournament (simply theorising, not based on facts by either of them right now), they Quinn, Vicky and Vita should also be added to the Female Wrestlers section. However none of these five women should be added due to the fact, at this current moment in time, none of them are part of the Women's Wrestlers section.

This isn't me looking too much into it before anyone suggests I am, this is based on what the ROH product is currently promoting on their weekly television show as well as their content on their YouTube channel, as well as no mention by any of the women involved that they will be a part of the Women's Division or be involved in wrestling matches. No mention of this by Amy Rose or Vita Von Starr (even though I can easily see both being in the Division at some point), no mention by Vicky Haskins, Quinn did mention she's once again resuming her training at the ROh Dojo, so technically she is the except for being added to the Women's Wrestlers section. And Maria has even gone on record during her AMA on the ROH The Experience Facebook Group that she prefers NOT to be involved as an active wrestlers herself and would only do so if there is a big story that calls for her involvement, which going into the fantasy booking aspect that the person disbuting my edits seems to want to believe in more than facts, will likely happen due to Vita Von Starr getting physical in the current Kingdom/Righteous feud.

So there is my side. I do ask that someone please explain to me where it is said that Amy Rose and Maria Kanellis-Bennett are active in-ring talent or will be involved in the assumably, redo of the Quest For Gold ROH Women's World Championship Tournament and not merely based on assuming they will be involved. When factual evidence of their involvement in active competition (the same applies to Vita Von Starr, Quinn McKay and Vicky Haskins as well), then they should be added in the Female Wrestlers section. Until they, they are simply Other on-air talent.

Thank you for reading my Talk post and apolgies for any spelling/grammar errors as that is not my strong suit. Hopefully this makes sense to people and they can see my point of viw based on what the ROH product is currently presenting right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:DC0A:9600:9C01:CC7C:BDB8:A4A6 (talk) 23:49, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Here's the thing - Amy Rose had begun to wrestle for ROH at the tail end of 2019, and was going to wrestle more in 2020, when the pandemic hit and the whole company shut down for 5 months, and are basically rebooting. So to say Amy isn't a wrestler is incorrect. ROH only does 1 hour of TV per week...you can only squeeze so much in.  As far as Maria Kanellis-Bennett goes, she has a 15 year body of work which says she is indeed a wrestler.  The whole company is basically starting from scratch, trying to put all the pieces in place, so to say people are not wrestlers at this point is premature, when looking up their past history says they indeed are.  Let the pieces fall into place before we say if someone is not a wrestler. Remember, this is the era of the "Women's Revolution" where all the major companies are putting women's wrestling more into the forefront, so the safe bet is to assume that women are wrestlers (especially when history can back it up) until proven otherwise.  Give it time. Vjmlhds (talk) 00:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Alright, so I respectfully disagree and call you out for not reading or at the very least, not understanding what I have said. I never said that Amy Rose doesn't wrestle or isn't a wrestler, same with Maria. I simply said at the current moment, neither are active on the main ROH product in in-ring action. The Future of Honor shows may be a lead in to them debuting on ROH TV in active competition, but that is merely speculation, not based on facts until it happens on ROH TV. To say this, you may as well add Gia Scott, Lady Frost, Trish Adora, Portia, and all those who have appeared for the Future of Honor shows as part of the men's and women's division. (Gia Scott especially seems likely to sign with ROH at some point, but I digress)

The one hour of television debate wasn't up for debate, those who watch this know this. But to say 1 hour of TV isn't enough time for the women, or 'The Division is on hold as they are waiting for Kellyanne and Martina to be travel again' is irrelevent to the point that is being made. As is the whole point of this being a 'Women's Revolution'. We know, but that'ss irrelevent of the point being brought up about the moment, Amy Rose and Maria not being active competitors. They COULD be someday, and Amy Rose especially will I'm sure. But right now, at this very moment, on Ring of Honor television, they are not. They are managers for other talent. That is their current role. That is a fact.

The Maria as a '15 year veteran' doesn't mean anything in this argument either. Someone can be in the business for 20+ years, but that doesn't mean they will automatically be involved in active in-ring competition until it happens. Now I understand the Women's Division is on a hiatus due to the pandemic, however adding people to the active wrestlers pages when they are unable to do so right now just looks silly. Assuming they will wrestle when there has been no evidence of it happening on ROH television currently (not counting Future of Honor shows or other independent matches they have been in) or because it was going to happen in the past, is being too optimistic. In these times, we need to be realistic with what is in front of us. We can hope all we want, but editing in things that aren't facts at the current moment (Amy Rose and Maria being Female Wrestlers on ROH television) is not accurate on what the company is presenting them as on television.

Also you should never assume all talents on the roster are active competitors. By that logic, Vicky Haskins, who hasn't wrestled in over 10 years, should be in the ROH Women's Wrestlers page. All the other managers should be added to the Men's side too. Quinn McKay and Vita Von Starr, who were wrestling in the independents before working for ROH, should also be added to the Female Wrestlers page (althought both honestly should since Quinn made a promo saying she was returning to training and Vita Von Starr has, as mentioned, been getting physical in some matches involving The Kingdom & The Righteous. Once they are added to the Female Wrestler's section, it will be less of an issue since nearly everyone will be added. It won't make sense to add any of them to it, much like Amy and Maria at this current moment, but if they are added to the female wrestler's page based on the Future of Honor shows and Maria's '15 year career' (which really doesn't mean anything since again, she has gone on record recently to say she has NO INTEREST in competing in the Women's Division unless a big story calls for it.)

Hopefully this works, again I've never used the talk feature before, especially as a reply to someone else responding to me. So please understand my point of view as it seems you are not doing so. I get what you are trying to say, but you're 'evidence' isn't based on facts for the current ROH product. It is based on their past and what they have done, or were going to do. I'm sure Amy Rose will be utilised in the Women's Division at some point, whereas Maria won't at this current time. She has openly said she doesn't want to be involved in the Women's Division UNLESS there is a big story that calls for it.

Now one last thing. All of this issue would not be as bad if one of two things can be done. Either put Amy Rose and Maria Kanellis-Bennett into the Other on-air talent section, OR put Quinn McKay and Vita Von Starr in the Female Wrestlers section due to them also being active in-ring competitors. Vita Von Star during 2019 much like Amy Rose, and Quinn McKay for her mention of returning to the ROH Dojo awhile back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:DC0A:9600:9C01:CC7C:BDB8:A4A6 (talk) 00:54, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Advice is worth however much you want it to be, but allow me to offer some. Don't be so rigid when it comes to wrestling rosters.  Gotta play the long game using track records as a guide, because stuff turns on a dime, and if you're too caught up in thinking "they're not wrestling  right now this second", you wind up driving yourself crazy.  This ain't the 80s and 90s anymore...can't assume if a woman comes in, it's ONLY to be a manager/valet.  It's much easier, and causes way less consternation to go in thinking wrestler first, and then adjusting as events warrant, rather than vice versa.  Vjmlhds (talk) 02:13, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Agreed, advice IS worth however much you want it to be... shame yours sadly isn't very good advice. I wouldn't be driving myself crazy saying they aren't wrestling right now, I'd be driving myself crazy thinking they are active female wrestlers when that simply isn't a fact right now. Merely a possibility. That drives someone crazy thinking "This COULD happen. MAYBE it'll happen." When on main ROH programming, there's no evidence of it happening.

Also, side note to the person who reverted my inclusion of Quinn & Vita onto the fact someone wants to 'end the discussion' or not adding Quinn and Vita to the Female Wrestlers section based on Vjmlhds' points. If Amy Rose and Maria Kanellis-Bennett can be added to that section despite not having any matches since appearing on ROH TV, then Quinn & Vita should be added too. (Though Quinn staying in the backstage section for the moment is fair as that is her current role on the website. But if that's the case, remove Vita Von Starr entirely since she is not on the website currently) You can't have it both ways, that's double standards as heck. Either they get listed as on-air talents or they get listed as Female Wrestlers. Make up your minds people. 2A00:23C4:DC0A:9600:C881:E3CC:3C12:15CE (talk) 23:49, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

ROH hiatus
We all heard the news about the ROH hiatus effective following Final Battle on December 11.

But until then, it's business as usual, so don't go wiping out the roster or anything.

Once Final Battle is over with, we'll see how it goes, but for now, the status quo remains.

Vjmlhds (talk) 22:54, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Well now Final Battle has come and gone, and everyone is about to be a free agent, being released from their contracts. With all of that, this article has now become basically null and void, and should be wiped clean.  Should ROH come back in April, we can always come back to this and see how it goes, but since everyone is now a free agent (or very soon will be), this needs to be put in mothballs, Vjmlhds (talk) 13:52, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

The Briscoe Brothers
By all accounts both Jay and Mark have left ROH/not had their contracts renewed. Meltzer, Bleacher Report etc. all reporting. We all know the ROH website roster page isn't the most regularly updated. Should they be removed from this active personnel roster?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1684859-report-briscoe-brothers-and-roh-part-ways#:~:text=Jay%20and%20Mark%20Briscoe%20are,at%20this%20week's%20television%20taping.

BBX118 16:29, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Wheeler Yuta
I think Wheeler Yuta should be listed here, since other aew contracted talent are listed. NicolasRSparrow (talk) 16:38, 20 August 2022 (UTC)