Talk:List of Syriac Orthodox patriarchs of Antioch

Patriarchs of Tur-Abdin
Are there any sources that provide a list of the Patriarchs of Tur-Abdin, which was an autocephalic patriarchate that split from that of Antioch in 1364, and reunited in 1869. This is an important piece of data, mentioned in: Massacres, resistance, protectors by David Gaunt, Jan Bet̲-Şawoce, Racho Donef. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.16.231.150 (talk) 18:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'll add them into my template Patriarchs of the Syriac Orthodox Church shortly.
 * Djwilms (talk) 07:19, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Done.
 * Djwilms (talk) 01:54, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

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Merger proposal
It has been suggested since July 2019 to merge List of Syriac Patriarchs of Antioch from 512 to 1783 to the List of Syriac Orthodox Patriarchs of Antioch making it one continuum of Syriac Patriarchs.


 * Strongly Oppose: I see this merger is a logical to establish a continuum of Syriac Orthodox Patriarchs. But the problem is that prior to 1783 it was known as Syriac Patriarch of Antioch. It was only after the split of 1783 that the title was claimed by both the Syriac Orthodox Church and the Syriac Catholic Church. So in a way, the List of Syriac Patriarchs of Antioch from 512 to 1783 is what both aforementioned (Orthodox and Catholic) churches recognize, whereas the List of Syriac Orthodox Patriarchs of Antioch is for the Orthodox church only. The titles of the articles are chosen carefully as well to differentiate. The first list uses the term "Syriac Patriarchs of Antioch" (WITHOUT the Orthodox tag) whereas the other list uses the term "Syriac Orthodox Patriarchs of Antioch" (that is WITH the Orthodox tag), the clearest indication why the two lists should not be merged. werldwayd (talk) 03:22, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Counting them, for instance those named Ignatius
Ignatius I can be counted as II if 1st-to-2nd-century Ignatius of Antioch is counted as I, so I added notes to II, III and IV about this ("sometimes add 1"), but stopped at number IV, and there are MANY more by this name until today (pls add notes if you KNOW it's needed).

It can also work the other way round: of III (who can become IV) I know for a fact he's being mentioned as II (came across it on Bar Hebraeus page), unless it was just careless editing by someone. So the same man can appear as either Ignatius II, III, or IV!

I don't know if this mess with Ignatius propagates throughout the long list until today. It is also the case with other names, as I noticed glancing at the "Notes". I've never, ever seen a list with literally DOZENS of notes, all about this same problem. Are the numbers really in wide circulation? Any common standards or solutions, such as a table, algorithm, adding birth names, patronyms or surnames? The list is NOT a practical tool as it is now! On the Bar Hebraeus page, the formally correct Wikilink led to a man who lived 4 centuries too early! Arminden (talk) 17:07, 15 January 2024 (UTC)


 * hi. Did you read this here? Arminden (talk) 22:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did. The article is entirely sourced. Please provide sources for your edits. Mugsalot (talk) 07:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)