Talk:List of goalkeepers who have scored in the Premier League

Notability
This list passes WP:NLIST, as One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, which is clearly the case here. These PL goals are considered separately in RSes from the general list in the see also section, which includes countries where goalkeepers take penalties/direct free kicks, and thus score a lot. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:39, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Prose or list?
I think all the prose after the first paragraph should be integrated into the table. All the information is specific to a single instance rather than general to all six. Dividing and/or duplicating such information between prose and table is inefficient and has no advantage that I can see. If we want to add some summary info, add context to the "only six goalkeepers" stat by telling us how many matches have been played in total, how many goals have been scored, and how many goalkeepers have played. Also note that we are excluding cases where an outfield player turns emergency goalkeeper after having scored in a match. Also, has any keeper missed a penalty, or hit the woodwork from a free kick? Worth explaining that Newport County's match was not in Premier League, to avoid confusing a football-ignorant reader. jnestorius(talk) 20:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Not everything in a list article is meant to be in the table, the prose summarising the goals is perfectly valid as prose. This style is recommended by WP:SALLEAD, and I don't know how you'd integrate it into the table in a sensible way. If you have sources for how many players, goalkeepers, matches there have been, that would be good to add, though I couldn't find sources for this. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:48, 7 April 2022 (UTC)


 * SALLEAD lists the following desiderata for a lead section:
 * summarizes its content
 * provides any necessary background information
 * gives encyclopedic context
 * links to other relevant articles
 * and makes direct statements about the criteria by which members of the list were selected
 * Which of those those apply to this extract from the current lead?
 * Schmeichel scored a volley ... from 6 yd out after coming up the field for a 90th minute corner. Schmeichel had previously scored in a UEFA Cup match for Manchester United against Rotor Volgograd, and had previously scored eight goals for Danish clubs Hvidovre and Brøndby.
 * jnestorius(talk) 18:39, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Here's a draft User:Jnestorius/List of goalkeepers who have scored in the Premier League jnestorius(talk) 16:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't personally see how that's an improvement, sorry. There are multiple FLs which have a lead explaining the topic (with a similar amount of characters) and then just a list, and I don't see why this would need to be different. Maybe it could be added into a separate heading, so it's not in the lead, but then the lead would be too short, as per MOS:LEADLENGTH. But in the middle of the table seems ugly and unnecessary to me. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * MOS:LEADLENGTH "The appropriate length of the lead section depends on the total length of the article." This list has only 6 items, so it's natural that it is shorter than one that has 20 or 50 items. I've added some more to my lede, have a look now.
 * "In the middle of the table seems ugly" — is that a formatting issue? Formatting can be changed, an in any case content trumps aesthetics. Content that is logically related belongs together.
 * Personally I think the runt of a table in the present version looks ugly. It would be better to delete the table altogether and integrate the few details from it not already there into the two paragraphs.
 * Still waiting for an answer to my earlier question about SALLEAD.
 * 17:27, 8 April 2022 (UTC)